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Bluelight and the Aussie Internet Filter – Will it affect us?

Can someone explain why that kid is acting like a prodigy for probably doing nothing more than using a proxy or vpn? He could not describe how to get around it... okay, so he is actually a fuckn dweeb.

It's simple as all fuck... and unless your connection is blocking every fucking vpn, which holds no information at all - its not nearly possible to be caught. URGHHH SO MANY RETARDS TODAY.
 
http://www.arnnet.com.au/article/343939/isp_filtering_bill_delayed_indefinitely/?fp=16&fpid=1

ISP filtering bill delayed indefinitely

David Ramli said:
.The Labor party has delayed its internal vote on mandatory filtering indefinitely and revealed the draft bill has not been completed. The vote was originally expected to be held mid-March.

According to a spokesperson for the Communications Minister, Senator Stephen Conroy, the final draft to be considered by caucus will be completed after considering the 174 submissions it received on its filtering discussion paper.

“The submissions will feed into the development of the legislative framework,” a ministerial statement said in March. “Once these processes are complete, the legislation will be introduced into Parliament.”

Government Senator, Kate Lundy, has spearheaded a movement to use internal Labor politics and force the bill to let Australians choose if they want to be filtered. She said the party had not seen any draft legislation and was waiting on Senator Conroy to release it.

“When it didn’t happen in the last sitting fortnight, the expectation was that it would happen in the next sitting period in May,” she said. “It’s completely up to the Minister’s office when it gets released.

“The feedback I’ve got is that the legislation is still being drafted, but I don’t know the status of it or the timing. I’m ready for the debate when it occurs.”

But despite her willingness to take up the fight during internal debates, Senator Lundy said she would not go against her party in a Senate vote to prevent the legislation going through. According to Monash University senior lecturer in politics, Dr. Nick Economou, Senator Lundy is fighting a battle she has probably already lost.

“It’s a party rule that caucus can direct ministers on policy, but for political reasons, it rarely happens,” he said.

“I feel it’s very unlikely that any attempt to try and divert Prime Minister Rudd and Senator Conroy would succeed. Firstly, it would be a terrible embarrassment for two very powerful members of the Government and secondly, Rudd and Conroy will feel they have the vast weight of public opinion on their side.

“Presumably, she’s doing it because her constituents would expect her to do it. But I think Conroy and Rudd have their eyes on the outer suburbs where the marginal seats are very conservative and easily spooked on matters of Internet nasties.”
 
Even if the filter does eventually go through, it clearly won't be in working order when implemented; just look at the rest of Chairman Rudd's big ideas so far. Article is interesting though, as I've been hearing a few reports that the Labour party is not happy with Rudd as leader, due to his constant failure, and also being a douche. In the event we saw a leadership struggle, be interesting to see where the internet filter would end up.
 
Rudd is retreating on a lot of issues right now. The ETS and the insulation debacle hurt him. I doubt he's going to want any more controversy and bad press, which is what the filter has been getting him thus far. I doubt we'll see any more of this for a while, although it might still pop up again after the election.
 
Filter goes ahead regardless

SARAH WHYTE said:
SARAH WHYTE
May 30, 2010

MINISTER for Communications Stephen Conroy has vowed to push on with his controversial internet filtering scheme, despite a barrage of criticism.

Senator Conroy told The Sun-Herald that internet advocacy groups such as GetUp! were ''deliberately misleading'' the Australian public about the scheme, which will refuse classification to illegal and socially unacceptable web pages. The legislation, which was expected to be passed before Parliament rises in June, has been delayed until the second half of the year while the government fine-tunes it.

The government's $128.8 million Cyber Safety policy includes forcing internet service providers to block access to a secret blacklist of website pages identified as ''refused classification'' by the Australian police.

Web pages will be nominated for blacklisting by Australian internet users who come across illegal or ''unacceptable'' websites.

''This is a policy that will be going ahead,'' Senator Conroy said. ''We are still consulting on the final details of the scheme. But this policy has been approved by 85 per cent of Australian internet service providers, who have said they would welcome the filter, including Telstra, Optus, iPrimus and iinet.''

Figures from the Australian Bureau of Statistics show that 72 per cent of Australian households have home internet access and more than 2 million children regularly use computers.

The scheme has attracted broad opposition from communications experts, search-engine companies Google and Yahoo!, the federal opposition and members of the nation's intellectual elite.

Critics claim the policy will not result in any meaningful dent in the availability of harmful internet content, will create significant freedom-of-speech issues and will be prone to abuse by politicians.

''The scope of filtered content is so broad that it could block content that would inform political and social debate,'' Google spokeswoman Lucinda Barlow said.

Former opposition leader Malcolm Turnbull has also condemned the proposed filtering scheme as a ''white elephant''. ''This system will not be effective,'' Mr Turnbull said. ''This policy will run the risk of false impressions [of security], when there should be parental responsibility.''

Executive director of GetUp! Brett Solomon said the Prime Minister should step in to ditch the scheme. ''The government would be better off developing policies to ensure the privacy of Australians is better safeguarded rather than pursuing the filter. This should be a promise that Kevin Rudd should break.''

GetUp! national director Simon Sheikh said a online petition by the activists had received support from 120,000 people and raised $100,000 to stop the legislation. An additional opinion poll by research firm Galaxy showed 86 per cent felt that parents, not the government, should have the primary responsibility for protecting information on the internet.

''Consistently the Australian people are saying that they don't want it,'' Mr Sheikh said.

But Bernadette McMenamin of the child protection group Child Wise said it was 100 per cent behind filtering illegal material. ''Sites are going to be blocked that should be blocked, and it's absolutely essential every parent is taught about the dangers of the internet.''

The Australian Privacy Foundation, however, said the cost of the filter would be better directed to more internet education.

Yet Senator Conroy said ''blocking material is not considered to be censorship''.

''This filter is really not changing much, except that the blacklist of website pages will be mandatory.''

The fourth Cyber Security Awareness Week starts next week to help raise awareness of internet privacy issues.


Note there's a poll attached to this article. At the time of my reading there were 67,982 total votes with 99% against the filter.
 
Does anyone else think that the recent harsh comments made against Google's privacy breaching by the Communications Dept. were maybe a little overboard due to the fact that Google opposed the internet filter?
 
Of course they were. Ludlam even questioned him on it :)

Just like when Conroy tried to get Mark Newton from Internode sacked for publicly denouncing the censorship.

Just like when he attacked IINET while they were in trial with AFACT after they publicly laughed at the Censorship. (Mean while AFACT im sure are helping push for this shit).

Lets also not forget when he pretty much called all anti-censorship people pedophiles.

Conroy is a dead set clueless asshole.

Australia needs to drop Libs and Labor.... We need the Dems in, they support harm minimisation and progressive drug laws, and support a open internet.
 
Filter goes ahead regardless




Note there's a poll attached to this article. At the time of my reading there were 67,982 total votes with 99% against the filter.

Saw that this morning. While internet polls are next to meaningless, that was a pretty stunning result (can't help feeling that it's been freaked though, I mean 68,000 votes?! C'mon, this is The Age we're talking about)
 
RAGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

So angry.

Fuck this country. I love what our country used to be =(
 
^ Yeh actually I kind of suprised to see this in that article:

Senator Conroy said. ''We are still consulting on the final details of the scheme. But this policy has been approved by 85 per cent of Australian internet service providers, who have said they would welcome the filter, including Telstra, Optus, iPrimus and iinet.''

^ now that doesn't sound right: http://www.iinet.net.au/filtering/

An iinet representative has since mentioned on another forum: "We will publicly respond to this. If the quote is accurate, it's an outright lie, well beyond spin."

Also:

Senator Conroy told The Sun-Herald that internet advocacy groups such as GetUp! were ''deliberately misleading'' the Australian public..

Oh the irony... 8)
 
aaannnnnndddd hot off the press:

iiNet: Conroy misrepresents our filtering stance

Spandas Lui (ARN) 31 May said:
iiNet has rejected public statements from Communications Minister, Senator Stephen Conroy, that it supports the Government’s proposed Internet filtering policy.

Conroy told The Sun-Herald 85 per cent of Australian ISPs support the unpopular policy including Telstra, Optus, iPrimus and iiNet. However, an iiNet spokesperson said the Senator’s statements misrepresented its position. The Perth-based ISP pulled out of the Internet filter trials in March, branding the exercise a “waste of taxpayers’ money” and fundamentally flawed.....

Edit: sorry for all of the posts in this thread today; I'm sure similar nonsense has been going on regularly for months but I just thought I'd read up on the status of the filter today and couldn't resist posting the above.
 
What a fucking flog of a Minister:X The ALP has pretty much lost my vote forever over this issue. This time around, I'm almost prepared to do the unthinkable, and preference the Libs as #2 (Greens #1), because at least once Abbott loses th election Turnbull will likely be the leader and h has made some pretty good sttements on this issue, plus he's not a global warming denial-tard, which is another huge issue for me.

I've posted this before in this thread, but if anyone out there is cranking on meth or something and up for a project, you could do worse than to follow through with this plan, or even if you can't be arsed but know someone who will, or you frequent another forum then pass this on:

Bernard Keane’s guide to writing to Ministers
by Bernard Keane

If your first instinct upon hearing about the Rudd-Conroy plan to censor the internet is to email Stephen Conroy, your local member and Labor senators from your state to protest, wait up.

Or, in fact, do it anyway, then read this.

Let me explain some facts about writing to ministers, drawn from my sordid, blood-soaked and adventure-filled time as a public servant.

For a start, understand that few ministers if any read their correspondence. It’s not that they don’t care, it’s that it’s not humanly possible to read even a fraction of the amount of emails, faxes and letters they get. So the chances of you directly influencing a Minister with your particularly brilliant insight into the issue are zip. Deal with it. Things don’t work like that.

Their staff will read correspondence, but only when considering a reply prepared by their Department.

And that is only a small proportion of the actual volume of correspondence received. Some is answered directly by bureaucrats. But much of it is simply binned. Don’t waste your time sending off a letter pre-prepared by some enthusiastic online advocacy group, where you sign at the bottom, endorsing the nicely-phrased sentiments at the top. They’re called “campaign” ministerials and are binned without being read or replied to (but please don’t tell the Friends of the ABC, who rely heavily on that technique, and haven’t had a letter to Canberra read for two decades).

Most non-campaign letters and emails - some departments still won’t reply to emails but demand your snail mail address, perhaps out of residual loyalty to Australia Post - are answered using what’s called “standard words” - a reply that ostensibly covers the issue raised but which normally says as little as possible. They say as little as possible because the mindset of bureaucrats and ministerial advisers is to keep as many options open as possible, except when there is a particular message that the Government wants to hammer.

Standard words are worked up by bureaucrats and edited and signed off by the Minister’s staff when they’re happy the words are risk-free or convey the desired message. In most departments, they are then loaded into electronic ministerial correspondence systems. This means a bureaucrat doesn’t even need to cut-and-paste into a Word document, merely tell the system to use a particular set of standard words under the name, address, salutation and opening paragraph, which have all been electronically entered already.

So if you send off an angry email or letter about net filtering, all you’ll likely get is an automatically-generated reply giving you the standard words on the issue. There’ll be minimal human involvement in the writing of it until it is stuffed into an envelope and dispatched.

You may not think it’s very democratic or consultative, but it’s a damn sight more efficient than processing correspondence by hand.

But if you can’t have any impact on policy, you can have an impact on the level of resources used to answer your letter. And that resource is the time of bureaucrats - the same bureaucrats who advise Conroy on policy, and implement his decisions. In most Departments, ministerial replies have to be approved by SES Band 1 officers before being sent to the Minister’s office, which means many replies consume the precious time both of senior bureaucrats and ministerial advisers. Many Departments also have formal agreements with Ministers that a certain proportion of correspondence will be answered within a certain period of time. If they’re not, more people have to be put into answering correspondence.

So if you want to consume as much of the Department of Broadband’s time as possible, here’s what to do. There’s not much you can do to avoid receiving a standard reply. But you don’t have to confine your missive to net filtering. Throw in some other topics. That means someone will have to put together a reply using standard words from different areas, which is a lot more complicated and can’t be done automatically. Ask about the rollout of the National Broadband Network (NBN). That means someone in the NBN area has to provide some words. Ask about Telstra. That’s another area entirely that has to provide input. If there’s three or four topics in your letter, bureaucrats will start arguing to avoid having to be responsible for it. The NBN area will tell the net filtering area it’s their responsibility to collate the response. The net filtering area will try to off-load it to the Telstra area. A Band 1 in one area will make changes and the whole lot will have to be re-approved by a Band 1 in another area.

Throw in something on Australia Post. Ask about something obscure. They may not have standard words at all and someone will have to actually prepare a proper reply.

You see, once your letter stops being a standard rant about filtering and requires actual work, the amount of time taken to prepare a response can snowball dramatically.

You can also use the Government’s system for allocating correspondence. As a start, always write to your MP first, even if it’s a Coalition MP. They will send the letter to Conroy and ask for a response to provide to you. MPs - even Opposition MPs - must get a response no matter what, as part of the civilities of politics, and it normally has to come from the Minister himself. But write to other Ministers as well. Ask Kim Carr what the impact of filtering will be on Australia’s IT industry. Ask Jenny Macklin what impact she thinks it will have on families. Ask Robert McClelland what the penalties will be for breaches of the mandatory filtering requirements. And ask Kevin Rudd how a Government that understands the need to bring Australia’s online infrastructure into the 21st century wants to drag it back to the 19th when it comes to content regulation.

All of those letters will have to go from the recipient’s department to Conroy’s Department for a response, then back to the originating Department, where they might add some additional material of their own. If you come up with a particularly complicated issue, the bureaucrats might start disagreeing with each other. Innovation bureaucrats might think Broadband’s net filter standard words doesn’t quite answer your question and want something else.

And don’t ask the same questions in different letters, otherwise they’ll bin them and tell you they understand you’ve separately written to your MP/another Minister/Kevin Rudd and here’s your job lot reply. Ask different questions and raise different issues.

And be pleasant. Apart from anything else, if there’s too much abuse in a letter, it gets thrown out (quite rightly). But these are decent, hard-working bureaucrats and regardless of what you think of Stephen Conroy, they deserve civility and respect.

Most of all, get your friends, acquaintances, family members, work colleagues, passing strangers, all writing. The bureaucratic capacity to handle ministerial correspondence is a lot like the net filters trialled earlier this year. At low levels of traffic they work OK, but once the traffic picks up, things start to choke up. That’s when Stephen Conroy and his office might start to notice that things are slowing down.
 
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Interesting blog post on the skynews website about conroy, pretty much saying what a joke he is as technology and communications minister

http://www.skynews.com.au/blogs/blog.aspx?Blog=20

"A liar." "Sneering, sarcastic, patronising, grudge-bearing." "The most incompetent excuse for a communications minister in living memory."

Not the words of disgrunted punters in the pub, but the opinion of leading IT industry executives and commentators about Australia's communications minister, Stephen Conroy.

Relations between the ICT industry and the minister have been dire for a long time. Now the ill sentiment is escalating at such a rate that several commentators are wondering if it's time for Sentator Conroy to step down.

What's triggering crisis point is Stephen Conroy's recent claim that 85 per cent of Australian ISPs approve the filter policy, and "have said they would welcome the filter, including Telstra, Optus, iPrimus and iiNet".

It's forced iiNet CEO Michael Malone, a highly respected industry figure, to issue a statement denouncing this as a lie:

"We have been involved in the Government's consultation process in an effort to at least have some transparency measures introduced. However, any claim that our participation in that consultation process is support for the Government's policy is an outright lie."

Other ISPs have hardly "welcomed" the current filter either. Former Telstra CEO Sol Trujillo described it as "not a good use of capital" and would be "outmoded, outdated literally the day that you start implementing it". Telstra's recent submissions include many areas of technical and practical concern. iPrimus says some families did ask about a form of filtering, but as an optional measure. Its CEO Ravi Bhatia says the company does "not support any censorship of freedom of speech or political thought."

Recent polls show strong, widespread and growing public opposition to internet censorship. A poll on the Sydney Morning Herald currently shows 99 per cent of 86,518 respondents voting "No" to the filter. Research by Galaxy showed 86 per cent of people felt that parents, not the government, should have primary responsibility for protecting information on the internet. A previous poll of 45,000 Australian citizens showed that 96 per cent were opposed to the filter.

BBY's senior telco analyst Mark McDonnell says the numbers are shocking.

"It's rather staggering how high the No vote is, how overwhelmingly unpopular that is, on what to a politician probably looks like a very populist argument."

Stephen Conroy's response? "An organised group in the online world ... spreading misinformation".

Which is in fact a perfect description of his party's own propaganda campaign over the past two years: scaremongering the less technically adept and accusing all filter opponents of supporting child pornography.

Australia clearly does not want mandatory government censorship of the internet. This is a nation that was given free internet filtering tools by the previous government. Only a small minority of people bothered to download them. Even fewer actually used them. Stephen Conroy himself described this to Sky Business as "a dismal failure".

Which is a tag that many are now applying to Stephen Conroy's performance as Australia's communications minister.
 
The labor party cannot hold any credibility with such an idiot for communications minister. I'm surprised Rudd hasn't got rid of him already given his lack of popularity. Maybe we'll have to wait until the media starts to pay more attention to the issue.
 
I'm surprised too. Krudd is usually pretty quick in distancing himself from the unpopular ministers. Surprised that he has stuck by such a widely hated tool for so long.

Conroy is quite high ranking in the Labor party, he's head of the victorian right faction of the party and wields quite a bit of power, thats why he's got a cushy high ranking job.
 
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