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Blue D&G's - Brisbane - weird EZ X-treme Reaction

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peak_chaser

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We tested a Blue D&G with EZ X-treme and Mandelin..the results were...
e1 (Marquis) =purple/black (MDxx)
e2 (Mandelin)=blue/black (MDxx)
Here's where it gets weird
Simon's (phase 1+2) = nothing
Robadope (phase 2+3) = nothing
We tested the testers against a previously tested MDMA pill (Blue barrel) and it worked properly (went bright Blue on phase 1+2- simon's).
We did the tests on the D&G another couple of times and nothing came up on either phase 1+2 or phase 2+3.
I read all of the D&G posts on pillreports and No one else has posted X-treme results to back up the MDA claims.
Does anyone know of an OTC drug that is a primary amine that we can use to check our robadope (phase 2+3) is working ok? We've never had a red reaction yet so may be it's been fucked from the start.
[ 31 July 2002: Message edited by: peak_chaser ]
 
You might want to include the city you purchased this pill in...
I'm going to move this to pill testing - you'll get a better response in there.
As for what's going on... I'm all ears guys!
:)
 
I had the opportunity to visit AJ-The-EZtest-Guy whilst in Amsterdam and he showed me a Robadope reaction.
Its very very very subtle. What you are looking for is a slight salmon/red hue around where the substance is sitting in the solution. It won't react brilliantly like marquis/mandellen/simons
You also need to take careful note of the instructions. You need a fair bit of substance as well, it is not a 'scraping' like the other reagents, its a good little pile of powder. To quote the website, 'imagine a quater of a pill, half it and that should be the amount'. Also the correct ratio in which to drop the drops needs to be followed.
I'll quote a big swag from the ez-test website here:
Put 1 drop of bottle 3 onto the scraping.
Next, put 2-3 drops of bottle 2 onto the scraping.
OBSERVE THE REACTION FOR 3-4 MINUTES !
NO REACTION indicates there is NO PRIMARY AMINE in your pill.
Most likely, your pill does not contain PMA, MDA or another primary amine drug. This does not mean it is safe to take this pill.
REACTION TO LIGHT SALMON/RED indicates a primary amine. Your pill contains some type of drug with a primary amine, for instance PMA or MDA. THE REACTION to SALMON/RED may appear rather quick but it COULD take 3-4 minutes.
It is very important to observe the reaction for at least 3-4 minutes. If you miss the reaction, you think the pill does not contain a primary amine (PMA/MDA) when in fact it does !
Note the 3-4 minutes waiting time. Don't give up until that time has passed.
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e1 (Marquis) =purple/black (MDxx)
Here's where it gets weird
Simon's (phase 1+2) = nothing
Robadope (phase 2+3) = nothing
ENDQUOTE
(I leave out Mandelin as I think it should not be used to indicate MDXX like reactions but ... )
Simons already tells us that there is definitely no MDMA in this particular pill. Personally, I would not be interested in further testing.
If you are very sure Marquis indicated an Ecstasy like substance, you may have overlooked the Robadope reaction.
Make sure you properly perform the Robadope test. Use enough substance and drop just one (but not more drop of bottle three and at least two of bottle two. If there is a primary amine, there should be some reaction/colorchange to salmon.
It may appear rather quick, it could be rather subtle and take a little while.
Hope this helps.
aj
 
AJ- I'm sure the marquis showed an MDXX reaction.
So the Simon's works on just a touch like the Marquis and comes up bright Blue, but the Robadope needs an eighth of a pill and doesn't change much at all. We did notice some fizzing with the robadope. I'll have another shot at it. I'm not to keen on using an eighth of a pill for my tests. I think that a negative on the Simon's is good enough for me that it's MDA.
Thanks everyone.
 
since you arte australian djfriendly's link to the D&G tested at ecstasydata may or may not be relevant. We often see some of the same pills here in Oz as at that site, but just as often there are noticable differences.
actually comparing this American pill
722_lg_d_and_g.jpg

with one we tested in Australia at a Melbourne event
157.jpg

The dimensions are the same, only we have 5mm as height, as opposed to their 4mm. Could be an error on our parts, it was a very busy stall. Strangely I didn't hear anyone saying they were different from "normal ecstasy" in anyway...
Does the second image look like your pill?
[ 01 August 2002: Message edited by: johnboy ]
 
Sorry, didn't mean to imply he had the same pill, just showing him a test that confirmed what he'd heard. From the reports over there, it sounds likely they may be the same (though that 'lost' mm. is a problem...) - users over here (about half a year ago) reported them as just seeming exceptionally strong.
I must admit I find the distro patterns fascinating, sometimes the same exact pill finds itself all over the world, and others end up highly localized, while still others are copycatted like crazy.
 
one thing to consider is that i'm pretty sure that the pill logos themselves are traded around the world, so that different syndicates might be using exactly the same logo presses, but months after another group has used them. if you put em in a similar machine you will get pretty much the eact same looking pills, but the two groups may have nothing to do with each other aside from havign owned at one point the same stamps.
as alexi sayle always says; it's a funny old world, innit?
 
Hi Guys,
from what I know from the scene here in Holland: people with presses do not necessarily own the powder, they often act as a contractor.. It is a whole different league to have a pill press factory that to have a powder production site. Also in the case of a bust of either one it would minimise loss of equipment.
 
I'm still having some problems with the robadope reaction.
The liquid already comes out with a red tint to bottle 3...
can someone post some pics of a robadope reaction?
You can do the test on a scanner's glass plate and then do multiple scans at 10 sec intervals until the reaction has finished...
 
what you are looking for with robadope ( which has a rusty brown color by itself):
take a fair bit of scraping
put 1 drop of no 3 on it
then 2-3 drops of no 2 the rusty color will get diluted
if you see a distinct change in color to salmon red, there is a primary amine present..
 
the D&G picture taken from above in the australian rave community i gave that exact bickie to enlighten to test recently ,i tested another bickie from the same batch when i got home and they were mda (bickie tested at nrg 5 altona sports and lesure center)
http://www.ftr6.org/nrg5.htm
picture look familure
so that should put fears to rest unless it is another batch
 
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