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Bloodshed in Gaza: "It's a hell of a pinpoint operation"

Just suppose, for a moment, that somehow, everybody in the whole world stopped deluding themselves with religion, all at once.

One fewer excuse to fight sounds like a good thing, but realistically -- how long would you give it until people found another one?
 
When, oh when is the world going to stop the never ending Israeli aggression. It seems they can't go more than a couple of years without killing and bombing indiscriminatly. As soon as them 3 jew kids were killed , Zionist high command were rubbing their hands with glee. Any old excuse to kill.( and exactly how innocent are them 3 settler youngsters).
It's a cull going on.

I actually manage to miss most of the detail due to living in a cave and not getting out much so don't know the specifics of the incident you mention, however, use of a term like 'youngsters' suggests probably reasonably innocent. Very likely heavily brainwashed if they're part of 'settler' communities as they tend to be pretty frikkin extremist from what I have seen of them. It's not their fault they were born into such a shitty situation though. I imagine it would be very hard to gain any real sense of perspective if you've been brought up in the most contested (ie blatantly stolen for strategic reasons) parts of that general vicinity. I doubt they did anything to deserve death either way.

Having said that, the Israeli responses are always grossly disproportionate to the extent you can't help wondering just what they're thinking. The government and military are not stupid - they know damn well they're regularly bending the 'acceptable' Rules of Engagement to breaking point, they know the rest of the world sees this and (America aside) tends not to approve of it, and they clearly couldn't give a shit. Obviously the fact America (most explicitly, plenty other Western countries - the ones that sell them arms like our lovely British arms dealers mostly I'd rather suspect) gives them the okay to carry out such actions must make it a lot easier but even with that it's so blatantly excessive it seems a strange way to behave. They clearly don't give even half of a shit what anybody thinks or what anybody catches them doing. It's almost like deliberate antagonism - not only of Palestinians but of (perhaps) the majority of the rest of the world too who look on in disbelief at the level of barbarism yet do nothing cos it's just too big of a shitstorm to even think about any official actions of any sort.

Part of me almost wishes the rest of the world got together, gave notice to everybody living in that area they have a year to sort their shit out or just leave (obviously suitable land would have to be provided - ideally at opposite ends of the world) and then nuke the whole area off the face of the Earth. Caused nothing but trouble for millennia that place. We'd be better off without it.

(to be clear, i mean the actual land not any of the people who lay claim to it)

Just suppose, for a moment, that somehow, everybody in the whole world stopped deluding themselves with religion, all at once.

One fewer excuse to fight sounds like a good thing, but realistically -- how long would you give it until people found another one?

I'm sure that would be the case. Religion is a bit different to most reasons/excuses people use to try to justify aggression in the sense that it is untouchable. You can't criticise anything somebody claims as part of their religion (as long as it's one of the religions currently accepted as religions anyway) and you can't reason with people who are utterly blinded by their faith in whatever team they happen to have been born into or most indoctrinated by later in life. With anything else there is more chance of some sort of resolution being found - not necessarily a big chance but compared with somebody having to back down on some arcane aspect of their particular religious belief system anything is a better chance.
 
... and just have a flick through the first incarnation (and presumably the latest one too) of the Theo Thread for many, many reasons why religious morality is frequently the precise opposite of actual morality.
 
Scary indeed. very weird. that guys such a tosser, from a few ciips of stuff i've seen i thought Bill O'Reilly was the ultimate news presenter dickhead but that hes on a different level, dunno how the guy from the first vid stayed calm being spoken to like that
 
Horribly influential actors over yonder ponder unfortunately. Listen to any US phone-in type affair and you'll hear plenty apparently 'average Americans' spouting the same drivel in much the same stupidly :X:X:X ANGRY!!! :X:X:X fashion. Fox 'news' is an abomination and an insult to the human species.
 
I never advocated war if you actually read my post. In fact i said it was wrong and not right the things that happen. Im saying that when it comes down to it, that is the reality of war. The killing of innocents along with other shit.

Ya they dont need to kill those people, but it happens. What i was trying to say was their is no sugar coating war because horrible things do happen and i think people forget that sometimes. Dont sit there and tell me i am advocating this shit cause thats not what im doing.
 
Christian Zionist in work yesterday barges into a discussion about the situation, predictable ten times as angry, unhinged, dogmatic and impervious to logic as any of the pro-Palestinian faction.

Oh, and fat too.
 
I never advocated war if you actually read my post. In fact i said it was wrong and not right the things that happen. Im saying that when it comes down to it, that is the reality of war. The killing of innocents along with other shit.

Ya they dont need to kill those people, but it happens. What i was trying to say was their is no sugar coating war because horrible things do happen and i think people forget that sometimes. Dont sit there and tell me i am advocating this shit cause thats not what im doing.

What you were saying was bad things happen in war so we should just accept them. What I am saying is that bad things happen but we should try to minimize those bad things, not just shout "Fuck it, shit happens in war". If it was our country and one of our soldiers shot a child, I would want that soldier tried for murder not given a pat on the back and told "Better luck next time old chap".
 
And if I were in charge of buying lots of "surgical precision" weaponry I'd be demanding my money back if the closest it can manage to a small cache of rockets is to take out whacking great chunks schools and hospitals and the like on a regular basis.
 
ah, but you get all those artillery & tank shells cheap if you re-order the precision armaments without crticising them :|

just perfect for wiping out entire highbourhoods now that you got all the people who once lived there conveniently corralled in a school you can also now take out in one go.

These are tactics for continuing war, not ending it.
 
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