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Bloodshed in Gaza: "It's a hell of a pinpoint operation"

I think the idea that arab countries are going to gang up and take on israel doesn't take into account just who most of those arab countries are friendly with these days. In the 70s the fear was well grounded (oil crisis) - but since then the west has bought up the loyalty of most of these 'arab' dictators (or put new dictators in). The only real threat to israel/western interests is from syria and iran - hence why we want to fuck them up.

(though then there's the people of those arab countries who would support palestine; hence why we prefer the dictators who can just repress them as normal (we hope))

Like the last gaza attack (this is not war which would require two armies) the IDF are probably busy taking videos of their latest weapons systems to make infomercials for the next arms fair ('just look how efficient these flechettes are at incinerating vermin')
 
To be honest, I am not aware of what is happening to fully comment. As most people know I refuse to watch / listen / read the news as it makes me paranoid. I have a rough idea though - and it's always saddening to hear of war, people fighting n innocent people being killed, injured or tortured.

Thank you, Sammy G, for bringing this to our attention it is interesting reading people's thoughts n opinions on this. Si Ingwe you do have a point on the importance of news. Maybe people getting operations on the NHS can be moved to local news while this gets discussed on the national news?

Evey
 
That dastardly hamas hiding among civilians:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/21/hospital-hamas-isreal-hiding-among-civilians

They hid at the El-Wafa hospital.

They hid at the Al-Aqsa hospital.

They hid at the beach, where children played football.

They hid at the yard of 75-year-old Muhammad Hamad.

They hid among the residential quarters of Shujaya.

They hid in the neighbourhoods of Zaytoun and Toffah.

They hid in Rafah and Khan Younis.

They hid in the home of the Qassan family.

They hid in the home of the poet, Othman Hussein.

They hid in the village of Khuzaa.

They hid in the thousands of houses damaged or destroyed.

They hid in 84 schools and 23 medical facilities.

They hid in a cafe, where Gazans were watching the World Cup.

They hid in the ambulances trying to retrieve the injured.

They hid themselves in 24 corpses, buried under rubble.

They hid themselves in a young woman in pink household slippers, sprawled on the pavement, taken down while fleeing.

They hid themselves in two brothers, eight and four, lying in the intensive burn care unit in Al-Shifa.

They hid themselves in the little boy whose parts were carried away by his father in a plastic shopping bag.

They hid themselves in the “incomparable chaos of bodies” arriving at Gaza hospitals.

They hid themselves in an elderly woman, lying in a pool of blood on a stone floor.

Hamas, they tell us, is cowardly and cynical.
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(see link for references)
 
From the excellent Jonathan Cook: some evidence of genocidal thinking among some right wing israelis starting to enter the mainstream, which goes unnoticed in the western media (though regurgitation of hamas' supposed nasty views get plenty of mentions). Remeber, collective punishment is supposed to be a warcrime and has been declared as such by the UN:

They have to die and their houses should be demolished so that they cannot bear any more terrorists. They are all our enemies and their blood should be on our hands. This also applies to the mothers of the dead terrorists. …

[The terrorists] are all enemy combatants, and their blood shall be on all their heads. Now this also includes the mothers of the martyrs, who send them to hell with flowers and kisses. They should follow their sons, nothing would be more just. They should go, as should the physical homes in which they raised the snakes. Otherwise, more little snakes will be raised there.
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A terrorist, like those who kidnapped the boys [in the West Bank on June 12] and killed them, the only thing that will deter them, is if they know that either their sister or mother will be raped if they are caught. What can we do? This is the culture that we live in.
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http://www.jonathan-cook.net/blog/2014-07-21/calls-for-genocide-enter-israeli-mainstream/
 
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Whoremoaning posted the Ayelet Shaked stuff the other day. Downright terrifying.

Even if she is damn hot...

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Cue slew of 'keyhole operation' innuendo from, um, me.
 
^ she could feel my 'protective edge' anytime (etc)

You'd think though that with the history of the jewish people in europe, they'd be on guard to sounding genocidal (when you accept a group of people as subhuman that's just the way it goes (it's not like we don't do it with 'terrorists' or 'militants' (or even 'chavs'))
 
Thanks dude. I assume that the picture is representing the age of the children by their size, with babies being held by their mothers. How many dead palestinian babies would have the media weight of a single israeli (or british/american) one (i suppose we can tell by whether we know any of their names). 'Our' countries are just as complicit as a culture in how these things matter relatively. How good an excuse is it to say 'we didn't know' - we didn't allow that excuse for the evil nazi-in-the-street (we say 'they must have known but just didn't want to know').
 
I think there are questions over the authenticity of the sniper video. Watch it again, when the first shot is fired the guy in the green t shirt is next to the camera man, next he is quite a few feet away. Does seem a bit odd.
 
People sometimes ask to be given the proper context of the palestinian issue, but at best the context given goes back as far as 1948 (though they often stop at 67). This article shows the imperial seeds of the creation of a jewish state in palestine as a method of extending the power of empires in the face of possible arab unity - all the way back in 1907:

"There are people [the Arabs] who control spacious territories teeming with manifest and hidden resources. They dominate the intersections of world routes. Their lands were the cradles of human civilizations and religions. These people have one faith, one language, one history and the same aspirations. No natural barriers can isolate these people from one another ... if, per chance, this nation were to be unified into one state, it would then take the fate of the world into its hands and would separate Europe from the rest of the world. Taking these considerations seriously, a foreign body should be planted in the heart of this nation to prevent the convergence of its wings in such a way that it could exhaust its powers in never-ending wars. It could also serve as a springboard for the West to gain its coveted objects."

From the Campbell-Bannerman Report, 1907
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The above report was kept secret for years (till 2007) but it morphed into the sykes-picot and then balfour declaration. This was always about using jews and zionism for imperial geopolitics.

For the whole context read the article: http://www.tlaxcala.es/pp.asp?reference=4652&lg=en
 
Jesus, the guy wrote the book on Middle East recent history, long before it is being made!
 
The UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs says:

One child has been killed in Gaza every hour for the past two days.
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Apparently 117000 civilians have been displaced. The PLO has come out in support of Hamas' demands that the blockade on Gaza be lifted before a ceasefire is agreed. Can anybody see Israel agreeing to that unless John Kerry leans on them pretty fucking heavily? I can't.

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http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...s-hamas-conditions-for-ceasefire-live-updates

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Israel's ambassador to the UN, Eviatar Manor, has criticised the UN human rights council for failing to protect the human rights of Israel, insisting that it is committed to international law and it is Hamas that is guilty of war crimes and responsible for the death of civilians in Gaza by using them as human shields. He said Hamas "is not the salvation army"
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Predictable.
 
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Wow, Sammy G, this is horrendous. Makes me realise how damn lucky I am to live in the UK. Those poor children n their families. It's upsetting knowing that this type of thing is still happening in this day n age. We talk of Hitler n Nazi Germany n how we're now "free," but these people aint. They're innocent victims who asked for none of it :(

Evey
 
Perhaps I ought to finish that kids' book I had an idea for; where the protagonists are two identical twins who share a common imaginary friend. Although they believe their imaginary friend is the same person, they disagree over trivial details such as hairstyle, favourite colour and so forth; and this escalates from raised voices to fisticuffs to weapons .....
 
What a fucked up situation.. so messed up... all those poor innocent people caught in the middle of that bullshit
 
Exactly, spacejunk. Yet it doesn't seem to provoke even a fraction of the indignation which we've seen in the nonce thread.

Is it because these children (and adults) don't matter? Or because it doesn't involve sex? Or maybe, just maybe, it's because it's not such an easy target for guilt-ridden 'righteous' outrage?
 
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