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Blind, deaf & animals

farmaz

farmaz

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I was thinking alot last night about stuff & have a few questions, please note I am serious here.

1) what would happen if you gave a person blind from birth acid & also a person that had sight for several years but then went totally blind acid too

2) what would happen if you gave someone who had a hearing aid DIPT

3) what would happen if you gave a dog DMT

I know these may sound weird but anyone have any idea what the effects would be?........
 
Depends on why they are blind. If it is an eye thing, they may see colours and patterns? But if it's neurological they wouldn't be able to..

I'm just guessing.

Also, this topic has been covered before ;)

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/474055-Do-blind-people-hallucinate-on-LSD
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/archive/index.php/t-571290.html
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/archive/index.php/t-96446.html

WeedMyLips said:
I've just found a remarkable 1963 study from the Archives of Opthalmology in which 24 blind participants took LSD to see if they could experience visual hallucinations.

It turns out, they can, although this seems largely to be the case in blind people who had several years of sight to begin with, but who later lost their vision.

Those blind from a very early age (younger than two years-old) did not report visual hallucinations, probably because they never had enough visual experience to shape a fully-functioning visual system when their brain was still developing.
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This is not really a basic question and it deals with psychedelics, so I'm moving it to Psychedelic Drugs.

BDD -> PD

Now in answer to your questions:
All these things have been done.

1) what would happen if you gave a person blind from birth acid & also a person that had sight for several years but then went totally blind acid too

It depends on the cause of their blindness. If the cause is in the eye, they have the same experience a sighted person would if they had their eyes closed and were in darkness, meaning most people perceive visuals but, like anyone else, the experience and intensity and whether or not they even perceive visuals varies from person to person. People who are blind due to problems in the brain's visual processing were less likely to experience visuals I believe, although reports have been conflicting and it probably depends on the level of damage. People who were blind from birth also had conflicting results if I recall correctly, but the general consensus is that it would be unlikely as they have no memory of sight and so nothing to compare the visuals to. LSD and blindness has been studied, I will try to dig up a study for you. I think it's possible that blind people may also have more heightening of other senses than sighted people, as their other senses tend to be heightened anyway. Obviously a blind person would still experience all the other effects of LSD as well.

2) what would happen if you gave someone who had a hearing aid DIPT
I'm not sure specifically about DIPT but I recall reading about deaf or partly deaf people using psychedelics, can't find any reports at the moment.

3) what would happen if you gave a dog DMT
It's very difficult to determine the effects of psychedelics on animals as they can't verbally communicate their experiences and the effects of psychedelics are mostly subjective. Psychedelic pioneers such as Sasha Shulgin preferred not to test on animals for that reason. The main tests that have been done with giving DMT to dogs are to determine potential toxicity or metabolism of the drug, (dogs tend to be better for that purpose than other test animals). I don't think those kind of studies are what you are looking for right? I assume you are more interested in the possible behavioural effects on the dogs?
 
^ There was a study done (according to a poster in that first thread i linked.. the link he gives doesn't work though.. probably an age thing)..

Apparently people would have had to have had vision for a good long while before going blind.. Theory being that your visual cortex will not form properly.. and in fact.. I read a study where they cut out the visual cortex of weasel brains and their auditory cortex started resembling the visual cortex.. so maybe the visual cortex of blind people change so it can do another job - rendering it useless for vision of any kind.
 
rickolasnice said:
^ There was a study done (according to a poster in that first thread i linked.. the link he gives doesn't work though.. probably an age thing)..

Apparently people would have had to have had vision for a good long while before going blind.. Theory being that your visual cortex will not form properly.. and in fact.. I read a study where they cut out the visual cortex of weasel brains and their auditory cortex started resembling the visual cortex.. so maybe the visual cortex of blind people change so it can do another job - rendering it useless for vision of any kind.
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I wrote my above post before you posted your first post with the links to other threads.

I wouldn't say that 2 years is "a good long while". It just says that that study found that those who were blind from before they were 2 years old didn't have visuals, (unless I missed something?).

Another link in that thread is interesting, about how deaf people can have auditory hallucinations. It's not about while they're on psychedelic drugs but I would presume they can have auditory hallucinations on psychedelics.
Do deaf people hear hallucinated voices?
 
Thanks :)

I throught it would be removed right away but I was 100% serious about the questions.
Thanks for taking the time to answer & link.

I should add yes I was more interested in the effects to the dog with the DMT than to find the L.D.50> etc.
I was thinking more along the lines of would it trip & if so what would it "see" in it's trip, I had the idea of maybe a huge bone God or maybe a huge kennel made of the finest sausgaes.

I read of Ketamine & why it was removed from being used in the Vietnam war & hospitals but still used in the Vets on animals & the piece I read said that the animals would have the same K-hole experience as a human would, how this is known though I am not sure.

I put that question on DIPT as one of the main effects was to do with the way people hear things. Nearly all the reports in TIHKAL said about a strange audio warp & I just wanted to know what would happen to a persons hearing that used a machine.
 
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farmaz said:
I put that question on DIPT as one of the main effects was to do with the way people hear things. Nearly all the reports in TIHKAL said about a strange audio warp & I just wanted to know what would happen to a persons hearing that used a machine.
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the hearing aid would have no affect on the auditory hallucinations. I suspect even cochlear implant patients would have auditory hallucinations under that drug.
 
Ahem, I just happen to be someone with Cochlear Implants (but recovered most of my hearing to 'normal' levels with them) who is about to acquire some DIPT. I have a lot of music in my head flowing through it 99% of the time, and I am interested in the 'internal' effects which may happen while tripping on it, but WITHOUT my implants, so as to monitor the changes in the internal music that I might get from it. Pitch distortion may or may not be present as well with the implants on. I wasn't born deaf, in fact I didn't start losing my hearing until I was 10 years old, but these implants have been with me for the past 4-5 years. So I am somewhat interested in seeing what will happen given my unique situation, however I likely won't be too eager as to partake immediately as it's been a few years since I've tripped frequently.
 
fractal fountain said:
Ahem, I just happen to be someone with Cochlear Implants (but recovered most of my hearing to 'normal' levels with them) who is about to acquire some DIPT. I have a lot of music in my head flowing through it 99% of the time, and I am interested in the 'internal' effects which may happen while tripping on it, but WITHOUT my implants, so as to monitor the changes in the internal music that I might get from it. Pitch distortion may or may not be present as well with the implants on. I wasn't born deaf, in fact I didn't start losing my hearing until I was 10 years old, but these implants have been with me for the past 4-5 years. So I am somewhat interested in seeing what will happen given my unique situation, however I likely won't be too eager as to partake immediately as it's been a few years since I've tripped frequently.
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Very interesting. I hope you let us know how it goes :)
 
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