Heroin Black tar clots upon heating

[4DQSAR]

Well, it's not as if there is a formal definition for 'tar' heroin. I think the only constant is that it contains a mixture of alkaloids and isn't considered very potent. I might add that opium contains papaverine and noscapine - both of which are biologically active. It may be the case that some people look for that mixture? That they prefer the activity of the mixture.

For a couple of decades I would purchase a gram of H once every couple of years. I would enjoy it and then ask myself if it was worth £50. I decided it wasn't. This was decent H. A simple melting-point test revealed it to be circa 70% pure. But I just see it as temporary escapism. When it wears off, your problems are still there and now you have £50 less.

If you NEED a potent analgesic and you cannot obtain it through your doctor, I'm certain it's an absolute boon, but for escapism, no.

BTW do dry-amps of medical diamorphine ever pop up? I've also sampled that. It snorts beautifully but it's actually sort of TOO clean. Too subtle. Certainly it's value is LESS than an equipotent amount of street H which seemed counter-intuative to me until I tried it.

But for pain, my oxycodone is enough.

 

[fairnymph]

BTW do dry-amps of medical diamorphine ever pop up? I've also sampled that. It snorts beautifully but it's actually sort of TOO clean. Too subtle. Certainly its value is LESS than an equipotent amount of street H which seemed counter-intuative to me until I tried it.

I’ve never seen one in the almost 4 years I’ve been using DNMs, or the 11yrs of getting it on the street. But that makes sense since they are very rare to begin with and no doubt quite difficult to get a hold of and divert.

I have had lab grade, however, and it is my favourite, bc nothing can be too clean for me. It’s the least sedating with the least side effects. But I’m using for pain and I don’t get any recreational effects.

 

[4DQSAR]

Ah well - it's certainly underlines the fact that your primary reason for consuming heroin is the symptomatic treatment of severe pain. The fact you aren't looking for the psychoactiv effect the mixture of alkaloids apparently produces.

I'm stuck with the fact that opioids with a bare phenol just don't have any effect on me. It's a known issue. Of course diamorphine has that phenol acetylated so it DOES work.

I ended up on oxymorphone by a process of elimination. For years dihydrocodeine was sufficient, but not for the last 7 years.

It sucks to be in pain. It sucks to NEED a medicine just to function. I freely admit that I would find having to buy from the dark web or on the street would be beyond me.

 

[fairnymph]

Ah well - it's certainly underlines the fact that your primary reason for consuming heroin is the symptomatic treatment of severe pain. The fact you aren't looking for the psychoactiv effect the mixture of alkaloids apparently produces.

I'm stuck with the fact that opioids with a bare phenol just don't have any effect on me. It's a known issue. Of course diamorphine has that phenol acetylated so it DOES work.

I ended up on oxymorphone by a process of elimination. For years dihydrocodeine was sufficient, but not for the last 7 years.

It sucks to be in pain. It sucks to NEED a medicine just to function. I freely admit that I would find having to buy from the dark web or on the street would be beyond me.

I’ve even tried opium because I found ripe poppies growing in a neighbours yard and so made my own. I really disliked it and poppy pod tea is even worse. I seem to react very badly to combinations of multiple compounds in general. Which is why I don’t like psychoactive plant/fungi drugs. I like my lab pure single compounds!

I still haven’t tried DHC yet, never having had easy access to it, and it wouldn’t be worth buying just to try online. I was initially on a codeine/caffeine/aspirin/barbital combo for my menstrual cramps as a teen and that wasn’t too bad. So pure chemicals mixed together CAN work out.

For sure, the dependency to function is the worst aspect. One of my few fears is running out - what if there’s ever a collapse? I especially dread having to live long term without diazepam. I could handle only being able to take it occasionally when my pain was at it worse but knowing I could never get it again is scary.


I am very lucky to have the ability and resources to get what I need without drs. There are many less fortunate.

 

[4DQSAR]

I share your fears. As such, I have developed an addiction to hoarding my medication. If society collapses, while others are busy stealing food and murdering each other, I will simply take my entire stash. A painless release.

 

[Mushoku_Sensei]

Hmm... I got late to reply it seems, but can't be helped...
So I'm still not sure what I got, maybe just #3? It was sold as pure Iranian H and I still don't know how to make it out. Not #4 according to the aspect in any case...
I bought it out of curiosity and definitely escapism on my side... Oxy is just so insanely expensive that I didn't even try it though I would be curious fs ..
Also I wanted something worth shooting it tbh. Since that's always trouble but once in a while I have an itch to do that...

 

[4DQSAR]

The old definitions don't reallly fit with the new types of H available. So I avoid using terms such as 'number 3 heroin' or whatever.

We stopped using it in the 80s when we saw other forms of heroin turning up on the street.

 

[Mushoku_Sensei]

The old definitions don't reallly fit with the new types of H available. So I avoid using terms such as 'number 3 heroin' or whatever.

We stopped using it in the 80s when we saw other forms of heroin turning up on the street.

I see... It's just confusing for me. ..so whatever it is I will try to get a feeling for mixing it with acid and see whether it dissolves better - I had that impression before... And I won't heat it anymore.
It's good to get this kind of info here. I'm not planning on using it constantly. Maybe a weekend kind of thing...

 

[4DQSAR]

I see... It's just confusing for me. ..so whatever it is I will try to get a feeling for mixing it with acid and see whether it dissolves better - I had that impression before... And I won't heat it anymore.
It's good to get this kind of info here. I'm not planning on using it constantly. Maybe a weekend kind of thing...

At the end of the day everyone who answered is essentially guessing. FYI the Afghan brown smoking heroin common to the UK requires citric and gentle heating to dissolve. HR agencies provide users with sterile swabs containing alcohol. Users will simply put a flame to the swab as it provides a very gentle flame. I'm no eaxpert but users don't boil the water, they just walm it which I suppose makes the diamorphine ascorbate (and the ascorbate salts of the other alkaloids) dissolve in a smaller volume of liquid and so so faster.

They then tend to use cigarette filters (again, provided by the HR agency) to filter any remaining solids. It's certainly a much better idea than using cotton.

It's interesting that an unusual form of heroin has turned up. Nobody can tell you for sure just what it is. What I AM aware of is that black tar contains the full spectrum of alkaloids and 6-monoacetyl codeine is a known toxin. So you know how to titrate. It's not worth risking your life for a buzz lasting a few hours.

An image would be interesting but I totally understand if you are unwilling to provide any.

It could be that someone is diverting poppy straw or dried pods and is using that to produce their product. HR is always based on understanding the risks.

Take care of yourself!

 

[fairnymph]

I share your fears. As such, I have developed an addiction to hoarding my medication. If society collapses, while others are busy stealing food and murdering each other, I will simply take my entire stash. A painless release.

I’ve always been collecting but not to off myself. Drugs are great currency, if I don’t need them.

 

[4DQSAR]

Well, that is certainy true but in the UK at least, undercover police officers are not above directly asking people for drugs. Now it's my understanding that such a tactic is in itself illegal. Or, rather, any competent defence would point out that incitement was involved. I only know becuse I used to live near a soup kitchen and out of nowhere a white van turned up and the driver told the old story 'I'm rattling, I'm sick, can you help me out'. Well, I couldn't but one person DID 'help out' and in court it was proven that the undercover officer had incited a crime - but it's a cheap trick IMO.

Even on BL there have been a couple of not very sophisticated attempts by people appearing, learning that someone is prescribed opioids and then hassling them to sell. I do not sell and never have - but watch out for it.

 

[fairnymph]

Well, that is certainy true but in the UK at least, undercover police officers are not above directly asking people for drugs. Now it's my understanding that such a tactic is in itself illegal. Or, rather, any competent defence would point out that incitement was involved. I only know becuse I used to live near a soup kitchen and out of nowhere a white van turned up and the driver told the old story 'I'm rattling, I'm sick, can you help me out'. Well, I couldn't but one person DID 'help out' and in court it was proven that the undercover officer had incited a crime - but it's a cheap trick IMO.

Even on BL there have been a couple of not very sophisticated attempts by people appearing, learning that someone is prescribed opioids and then hassling them to sell. I do not sell and never have - but watch out for it.

Oh, what I mean is if there’s an utter collapse like there’s no police or government anymore. Not in our current system.

 

[4DQSAR]

I was once in a pharmacy that was held up. Whoever it was knew what they were doing. Just walked in brandighing a shotgun and simply said 'empty the CDC into a bag. NOW' and made off with a lot of drugs. Obviously that doesn't work any more because pharmacies operate JIT stocking i.e. twice a day CDs are delivered and they are bagged up and delivered so what would you get? A few boxes of morphine, a few boxes of morphine and in the end 12-14 years.

But others have said if society collapses, they would do the pharmacies first. After all, ALL medications would have value.

 

[fairnymph]

I was once in a pharmacy that was held up. Whoever it was knew what they were doing. Just walked in brandighing a shotgun and simply said 'empty the CDC into a bag. NOW' and made off with a lot of drugs. Obviously that doesn't work any more because pharmacies operate JIT stocking i.e. twice a day CDs are delivered and they are bagged up and delivered so what would you get? A few boxes of morphine, a few boxes of morphine and in the end 12-14 years.

But others have said if society collapses, they would do the pharmacies first. After all, ALL medications would have value.

Yep, that’s why I collect everything that could possibly be of use. Remarkably handy to have on hand too. Germany has had twice daily JIT stocking for quite some time, interestingly. I wonder if it’s common in the US.

 

[4DQSAR]

I believe the US has uses JIT along with other security features which means staff only have brief access to CDs. Essentialy each prescription ends up in it's own secure storage and can only be accessed by the patient. So you can't hold them up.

Oxycontin was certainly the reason for this. I note that US doctors seemed to prescribe about twice the dose a UK GP would for the same conditions, they would prescribe for MORE conditions and would prescribe for longer - because they got kickbacks for doing so. So a lot of people ended up dependant through no fault of their own. But once someone is dependent, they will pay a lot to avoid WD.

Hence Perdue paying something like $6 billion in fines.

In the UK OC is still overprescribed in my opinion but I note that often people get 10mg BID. So people are less likely to become addicted. GPs don't earn more if they prescribe more.

 

[Mushoku_Sensei]

Oh .. now what is CDC and JIT or BID ??
In any case it's a hassle to get any drugs that require a narcotics prescription unless you have cancer or something. It's more work for the doctors and they somehow have to justify it...

 

[Mushoku_Sensei]

At the end of the day everyone who answered is essentially guessing. FYI the Afghan brown smoking heroin common to the UK requires citric and gentle heating to dissolve. HR agencies provide users with sterile swabs containing alcohol. Users will simply put a flame to the swab as it provides a very gentle flame. I'm no eaxpert but users don't boil the water, they just walm it which I suppose makes the diamorphine ascorbate (and the ascorbate salts of the other alkaloids) dissolve in a smaller volume of liquid and so so faster.

They then tend to use cigarette filters (again, provided by the HR agency) to filter any remaining solids. It's certainly a much better idea than using cotton.

It's interesting that an unusual form of heroin has turned up. Nobody can tell you for sure just what it is. What I AM aware of is that black tar contains the full spectrum of alkaloids and 6-monoacetyl codeine is a known toxin. So you know how to titrate. It's not worth risking your life for a buzz lasting a few hours.

An image would be interesting but I totally understand if you are unwilling to provide any.

It could be that someone is diverting poppy straw or dried pods and is using that to produce their product. HR is always based on understanding the risks.

Take care of yourself!

That's interesting! Thank you Ok filters instead of cotton... Will do that ... And continue to work on the amount of citric and heat needed... Ty again for bothering!!

 

[4DQSAR]

Oh .. now what is CDC and JIT or BID ??
In any case it's a hassle to get any drugs that require a narcotics prescription unless you have cancer or something. It's more work for the doctors and they somehow have to justify it...

CDC - controlled drug cabinet
JIT - just in time
BID - bis in die (twice each day)