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Social Justice Black Lives Matter Discussion Thread

You making this stuff up as you go along or what?

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If we survive a thousand years, maybe we survive till the end of the universe.
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As a species: agreed. But the last people on earth, those that will be witness to the last rays of the sun, will differ greatly from who we are.

Not a big fan of Dawkins, Harris, Hitchens, & Co. I assume? 🤣


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I'm not underestimating how difficult it is going to be, but it's not literally impossible.
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You got shares in Tesla or what?

Fun fact: last I heard he was toying with the idea of using nukes at both poles of Mars to create an atmosphere. And some people cannot understand my (South African) gung-ho approach to certain things around here sometimes! 😇
 
Dawkins
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Hate him.

Harris
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Big fan.

Hitchens
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I can take him or leave him. He is famous on Youtube for a reason, I guess.

But the last people on earth, those that will be witness to the last rays of the sun, will differ greatly from who we are.
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Sure. As soon as we start spreading out into the universe, we will start splitting off into different branches of human evolution.
 
What 23 said:
Part 3: I don't think any of this justifies "being mean" to others. I don't blame outsiders, such as Blacks, or Mexicans, or Whatever - those regular people just looking to make a better life. I blame bad management in world systems and government, and lacks of leadership that allow the children to run amok... in various ways. I blame greed... I blame Godlessness.

Still I understand that these, despite this not being the best of circumstances, are my neighbors- Even if it's not the most ideal of circumstances that they are, or that they have to live around White people. I mean there are so many complaints (living with White people)...

But I recognize that they are my neighbors, where I am.

And I do, generally treat them as such. But I believe there is a certain shelling up that occurs, in different ways. I don't think this is exactly healthy, again- Still again I don't advocate hateful action - but what is racial equality? Really?

Just how must we "try" to bring it about? I use blonds as an example, as an extreme white, that I might prefer, but generally, especially with women, I find "white" or caucasian women to be the most beautiful, most worth fighting and dying for. Do I change or alter -somehow my perception, my passion, my tendencies to like, do I deny them, to fake, and "branch" out to, if I was in such a position to, to accept or be with a Black girl, or other girl, just to try to work toward this Marxist Communist Utopia of radical and racial equality?

Do I - if I am in a position to - give the position to a young black person over a young white person who may be equal or better, in my limited class, or competitive position that I may offer, just to bring about some idea, forced as it were, of "racial equality"?

Do we need laws that prevent us from freely associating, socially, in some way? Diversity quotas? Do I need to hire more Black people, or bring them into my institutions, just because there "aren't enough" of them, relative to numbers of whites? Do the White and Asian kids have to have a handicap placed on their futures, for "racial equality"? And if so, well, this is the only way, anyway (populations will perform differently from a base-start, differences seen will be associated with these differences...), and this is why I find the whole thing bullshit.

I'm all about being nice. But at some point, it is not up to me. And I also don't find this "nice", to whites (whatever, people). And I don't really think that the perceived "needs" of these others ("the world", to get inside their lands, among their nations), means their bodies, minds, get stripped apart and repurposed... That they need to sacrifice, or should be expected to, for it. To just give up. To back down. To say, after all this time, fighting, that it never mattered who or what, won the fight. This nihilistic bullshit...

Is it "racial equality" if special privileges, or considerations, are to be given to some, but not others, based on race?...

I do feel it's a very complicated situation. I don't think either "side" has really given it its due credit.

I think there are reasons why both sides fight...
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Meh, I went and read about the whole "white privilege" thing and how reverse racism isn't a thing.

Given this thread is about American racism black vs white,the need for special concessions based on race does seem valid in in situations like schools, universities etc where it has been made impossible for black populations to have the same opportunities as whites .


A white kid who may be just as disadvantaged as their black friend missing out on scholarships or a place in college that their black friend got because they were black, well, they might think differently.


I doubt any black American alive today would be as completely disadvantaged as their great grandparents were and there would eventually come a time where its not statistically necessary to have race based assistance to even statistics up.



Americans csnt see the wood for the trees at times, that's what happens when that country just focusses inwards and does not seem to realise the mount of race/religious based genocide and brutality going on in other areas of the world.

Comparatively speaking, they don't have much to make a big deal about that wont right itself with the passing of time.


As an outsider, they are all Yanks fixating on themselves. Black American culture is very popular worldwide. The black vs whites and the black vs cops thing is embedded in culture with the many cop TV shows, rappers etc.

I couldn't say white American culture stands out that much.


I dont live there so it doesn't matter what I think but I dont see much disadvantage for black people there who are poor than white people who are poor.
 
You're too high to be on BL if you actually believe that African Americans aren't still overcoming the effects of slavery and Jim Crow, not to mention the very real and present effects of mass incarceration.
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Which African Americans are we talking about here? Is it not wrong to judge a person by their race?

Sure, maybe not a huge amount of people are living off of an inheritance, but guaranteed it's proportionally more white folks.
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Yeah I'm not a fan of the rich spawning the rich - that isn't right.. but what is with the fixation on race? I mean - Asian Americans, on average, are wealthier, have higher graduation rates, etc etc.

What exactly makes you people so uncomfortable that people are seeking racial justice?
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What racial justice are they seeking and how are they going about it? BLM have gotten where they are by manipulating the narrative using tragedy, falsely stating that unarmed black folk are being murdered by the state because they are black. If you anger enough people that they cause enough chaos, the world will take notice and believe whatever narrative they're being told. By the time anyone knows what really happened nobody believes it because it contradicts what they've been being told to believe.

But you completely misunderstand that racism is predicated on socioeconomic and systemic conditions, not just how people treat each other on an individual basis.
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How? If it is - how do we solve this?

 
The pride they feel, in this life and soul’s finally realised true purpose, is so ignited and inflated their ears will pop.

Fire in the belly. Even Martin Luther King was way more chilled out.

And I like the beautiful way Peter Tosh and Bob Marley said it better too.

It’s such an obscure message to get across though clearly, and difficult concept to grasp, but thankfully we have those thousands of cryingly proud professional sportspeople kneeling, sporting emblems, speaking with passion, dedicating their title wins to the cause....

To help get this strange, hard to fathom message over.

This is class though I swear, it beats kneeling any day lol, I’d not moan if they just bloody played this over the loudspeakers and left the dumb sportsmen out of their shady politics.

 
✿Dai₷y✿ said:
there would eventually come a time
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The time has come, hasn't it? The college entrance thing was another failed experiment. Like many ideas: it came from a good place and it sounded good... but (ultimately) it didn't work. There are many things wrong with it in retrospect. A lot of black students that were helped getting into difficult and highly competitive courses ended up struggling with the syllabus. Graduation levels are, unsurprisingly, much lower than students with higher scores who received no assistance.

You don't fix a house from the top down.
 
rickolasnice said:
the man makes a good point.
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Yes, but again it’s so novel and far fetched, unless they kneel as well, IMO, the point doesn’t quite fully carry over.

Kneeling in public view is powerful I tell you. Just the sight of it makes my own skin crawl.
 
rickolasnice said:
Still - the man makes a good point.
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What?
Seriously?

EDIT - I went back and watched it again. It was painful enough the first time. I honestly don't know if you're joking when you say he makes a good point. He is a Hollywood celebrity worth millions of dollars passionately yelling into a megaphone. This admittedly makes it difficult to hear the message for me. The first time I watched it, I tuned out immediately. People yelling make me tune out. Yelling into a megaphone is not good. I don't care who you are or what you're talking about. Put the megaphone down. Calm down.

The only person he mentioned was George Floyd, who is a violent criminal that once threatened to shoot an unborn child while pressing a gun into a pregnant woman's abdomen.

Frankly, I don't understand what he is so upset about. He obviously lives in a world that fostered his talents despite his supposed disadvantage. This is the same guy who started the whole Joss Whedon thing. He got fired from the DC universe because he insisted on not working with a particular director because apparently they enabled Whedon... who didn't even really do anything. Writing him out of The Flash has been pushed as racist in the MSM. It's not racist.
 
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Wha? He is saying "We black men have to be better to our black women. Stop demonizing our own. We are the pillars of the family. A nation made up of individual families that are thriving. That are healthy. That communicate. That raise their children with love"

Like I said I don't know who he is - but his message here is decent. Man up and stop creating fatherless families.

Turn on the subtitles and mute the sound to dampen the cringe dramatics.
 
Yeah I heard that bit, but that's not the overall tone of what he's really saying. Boyega is just adding to the confusion and the hysteria if you have to mute it and put on subtitles when you speak the same language. I don't know, man. That video is a guy yelling about shit. None of it is particularly eloquent in my mind. It is honestly more rambling and disjointed than your average Trump sentence. I don't believe he is chill. I don't think his message is chill and I don't think he is a chill person. That's why he's yelling into a megaphone. I don't like Greta Thunberg for the same reason. Don't like isn't right. I feel sorry for her. She frustrates me. People need to tone it down a bit. How long does society have to be depressed for?
 
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birdup.snaildown said:
Yeah I heard that bit, but that's not the overall tone of what he's really saying. Boyega is just adding to the confusion and the hysteria if you have to mute it and put on subtitles when you speak the same language. I don't know, man. That video is a guy yelling about shit. None of it is particularly eloquent in my mind. It is honestly more rambling and disjointed than your average Trump sentence. I don't believe he is chill. I don't think his message is chill and I don't think he is a chill person. That's why he's yelling into a megaphone. I don't like Greta Thunberg for the same reason. Don't like isn't right. I feel sorry for her. She frustrates me. People need to tone it down a bit. How long does society have to be depressed for?
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Whoa don't get me wrong - I used that clip as a kind of answer to the question I asked deficit - using a BLM activists own words. The point can't be brushed off as white privilege nonsense if it's being told by BLM.
 
birdup.snaildown said:
Yeah I heard that bit, but that's not the overall tone of what he's really saying. Boyega is just adding to the confusion and the hysteria if you have to mute it and put on subtitles when you speak the same language. I don't know, man. That video is a guy yelling about shit. None of it is particularly eloquent in my mind. It is honestly more rambling and disjointed than your average Trump sentence. I don't believe he is chill. I don't think his message is chill and I don't think he is a chill person. That's why he's yelling into a megaphone. I don't like Greta Thunberg for the same reason. Don't like isn't right. I feel sorry for her. She frustrates me. People need to tone it down a bit. How long does society have to be depressed for?
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They’ve always said and with good reason- Lose your temper and you lose your argument.

But in this sense I think cool and temper are pretty synonymous.
 
With BLM, my attitude is throw out the baby with the bathwater. Whatever value that brand held at one point is gone, muddied by angry statements, lies and consequent deaths. If it was a white organisation it would (rightly) be condemned. There is no need for BLM. Race doesn't need a brand. That's my opinion. If I'm wrong - if race should be branded, along with presumably other issues - there should be new brands. Honestly I think we need to stop talking about race altogether for a while... as much as possible anyway.

Communicative technology is rapidly evolving and everybody is projecting their thoughts out into the world more and more. There is a perfect storm for hype on the internet with social media. Most information is wrong. People need to stop with the emotional pleas and the yelling and carrying on. It is just fear feeding on fear. The echoes are overlapping. It's not good for society for everyone to be overwhelmed all the time with all the bad shit that happens.

The world is super great.
 
Yah - again. As a speech, it's shit. It seems fake as fuck and, as you've informed me, the guys a div.. but it's the most truth I've seen come from anything related to BLM.

I posted it in response to Deficits claim that racism is born of socioeconomic racism which is systemic to whiteys societies.


birdup.snaildown said:
Honestly I think we need to stop talking about race for a while as much as possible. Communicative technology is rapidly evolving and everybody is projecting their thoughts out into the world more and more. There is a perfect storm for hype on the internet with social media. Most information is wrong. People need to stop with the emotional pleas and the yelling and carrying on. It is just fear feeding on fear. The echoes are overlapping. It's not good for society for everyone to be overwhelmed all the time with all the bad shit that happens.
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Yes. This. Things aren't all that bad. It seems that when there is no definite threat or enemy of society, we either turn in on ourselves or .. it is just another thing we have been given to distract us from the real enemy and to divide us as a group as to not become a threat to them.. either way..

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birdup.snaildown said:
If it was a white organisation it would (rightly) be condemned.
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A GOP congressmen who spoke at a white supremacy went largely unremarked upon by the GOP. A lot of arguments made in this article have been made here, interestingly.
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Paul Gosar Spoke At A White Nationalist Conference. The GOP Doesn't Care.

The congressman was the keynote speaker at a conference run by a virulent racist and anti-Semite. HuffPost tried to find a Republican lawmaker to rebuke him.
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Steve King was condemned according to that article. The article argues (vaguely) "The lesson of King’s story, though, is not that the GOP took a stand against white supremacy; it’s that the GOP acted against him only when his extremism became a political liability." I'm not convinced of that, but I honestly don't care either way.

As for Paul Gosar, was the speech he delivered actually hateful? While I disagree with any kind of racial supremacy, I honestly agree that it isn't helpful to pretend like a problem doesn't exist. Gosar said "you don’t accomplish anything by isolating” people. If the speech he's delivering isn't hateful, isn't it harmless... or should nobody be allowed to deliver a speech at any event with allegedly significant racist connections?

It probably didn't make much of a splash because it isn't much of a story.

There's not a lot of meat.
 
I don’t think it’s appropriate for a US Congressman to give the keynote in front of a white supremacy group and take their money.
Also, Gosar has ties to the Oath Keepers and helped organize the Jan 6 Stop the Steal Rally, which turned into the Capitol invasion.
Hopefully, enough voters in his district will vote to strip him of his public duties. I think the GOP clearly embraces white supremacy as a party.
 
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