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Social Justice Black Lives Matter Discussion Thread

assclass said:
Why didn't Biden do that with Obama?


I remember the DEA busting legal operations in legal states... during the Obama years.

They aren't saying they will make Cannabis Federally legal are they?
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You know vice presidents have very little power.

Even presidents don't exactly have limitless power. Particularly when it comes to legislative matters. And this is somewhere in the middle.
 
JessFR said:
Ehh, it depends. But in this case yes I agree.

Abolishing law enforcement is just stupid. It's astounding anyone is seriously talking about it.

It's like saying that because your government is corrupt the solution is total anarchy. It's not. The solution is stopping corruption.
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People talk about unrealistic options, so they can avoid actually tackling the real issues.
 
assclass said:
Why didn't Biden do that with Obama?


I remember the DEA busting legal operations in legal states... during the Obama years.
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Obama actually had a very similar policy to Trump when it came to legal weed: leave it up to the states (but without decriminalizing it federally).

If you look at all the raids done since the states began legalizing, there isn't one single case of the federal government shutting down a licensed producer. It's all been by the books.

Obama was too busy with medicare and gay marriage to ever get to legal weed. It's been on the back burner for almost a century now.
 
JessFR said:
You know vice presidents have very little power.

Even presidents don't exactly have limitless power. Particularly when it comes to legislative matters. And this is somewhere in the middle.
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I understand that. But they didn't DO ANYTHING.

www.rollingstone.com

Dickinson: Obama's War on Pot

In a shocking about-face, the administration has launched a government-wide crackdown on medical marijuana
www.rollingstone.com www.rollingstone.com

In fact, history shows we should doubt any politicians promise.

Americans were convinced Trump was a Nazi, so the Fascists could take control of the country again.
 
assclass said:
People talk about unrealistic options, so they can avoid actually tackling the real issues.
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I suppose "throw out the police" is simpler to explain that "we want to institute a complex series of reforms aimed to tackle systemic racism and prejudice at the hiring, training and oversight level"
 
w01fg4ng said:
Obama actually had a very similar policy to Trump when it came to legal weed: leave it up to the states (but without decriminalizing it federally).

If you look at all the raids done since the states began legalizing, there isn't one single case of the federal government shutting down a licensed producer. It's all been by the books.

Obama was too busy with medicare and gay marriage to ever get to legal weed. It's been on the back burner for almost a century now.
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www.rollingstone.com

Dickinson: Obama's War on Pot

In a shocking about-face, the administration has launched a government-wide crackdown on medical marijuana
www.rollingstone.com www.rollingstone.com

o rly?
 
assclass said:
I understand that. But they didn't DO ANYTHING.

www.rollingstone.com

Dickinson: Obama's War on Pot

In a shocking about-face, the administration has launched a government-wide crackdown on medical marijuana
www.rollingstone.com www.rollingstone.com

In fact, history shows we should doubt any politicians promise.

Americans were convinced Trump was a Nazi, so the Fascists could take control of the country again.
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Maybe if trump didn't act like such a Nazi they might not have gotten it into their heads that he was such a Nazi.
 
What does weed have to do with BLM?

JessFR said:
Which seems to be the feeling often felt when authorities seem to have so little regard for if their actions will kill someone if that someone is black. Compared to if they were white.
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Statistics do not support this statement.

cduggles said:
I always find book banning to be chilling.
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It is one step away from book burning.
 
assclass said:
Why didn't Biden do that with Obama?
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JessFR said:
You know vice presidents have very little power.

Even presidents don't exactly have limitless power. Particularly when it comes to legislative matters. And this is somewhere in the middle.
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I'd agree VP has little power. With Pence, and before him Biden (I didn't pay attention to earlier VPs), we see a third arm of the President to act on and extend the Pres' vision and plans. Rarely do I recall a VP initiative. Closest it being given assignment by the Pres to lead something as was done with Pence and Operation Warp Speed.


While a Pres doesn't have limitless power, according to our first black Pres all he needed was a pen and a phone. I expect part of why Trump won in '16 was the black population seeing 8y of their first black Pres not doing a whole lot for them; somewhat highlighting the decades of empty promises. What WAS Obama known for as it relates to black lives? Saying if he had a son it would be like Trayvon, saying we have racist police, and not a whole lot of unification or problem solving. If I was a black American, I'd be sorely disappointed with Obama's performance, and the delivery by Dems overall during (and before) my lifetime. What does any of this have to do with Biden? Not a lot, as we agree he follows Obama's lead given the VP isn't really making any initiatives. But it also leaves Biden with nothing under his belt on this subject beyond his early ties to segregationists, the busing opposition, and the incarceration laws for drugs. Biden could have had a better platform in this regard having spent 8y in the white house, but it wasn't an area addressed by Obama.
 
TheLoveBandit said:
What WAS Obama known for as it relates to black lives? Saying if he had a son it would be like Trayvon,
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Oh God don't remind me. That's one of a group of things Obama did I truly despised.

It was effectively open witness jury tampering by the fucking president. Let juries decide who's in the right or wrong.

It's the kinda bullshit I expect more out of trump.

EDIT: fixed mistake
 
Anyone catch this?

NFL to make history with first all-Black officiating crew in Week 11

For the first time in the league's history, an all-Black crew will officiate an NFL game when they take the field for Monday night's contest between the Los Angeles Rams and Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Veteran referee Jerome Boger will lead the crew, which is largely comprised of his regular fellow officials.

Two key differences will be in the addition of line judge Carl Johnson and back judge Greg Steed. Each have officiated two Super Bowls in their careers, and both were part of the crew for February's Super Bowl LIV in Miami.

"This historic Week 11 crew is a testament to the countless and immeasurable contributions of Black officials to the game, their exemplary performance, and to the power of inclusion that is the hallmark of this great game," Troy Vincent, NFL executive vice president of football operations, said in a release from the league.

The crew's historical significance also includes a tie-in with a franchise that was the first to integrate in the NFL in 1946. The Los Angeles Rams signed Kenny Washington and Woody Strode in 1946, making them the first team to include Black players since 1933, which came as a result of a precondition required to secure the team's lease at the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum. The Cleveland Browns also became the first team to integrate in the All-America Football Conference in 1946 when they signed Bill Willis and Marion Motley, eventually joining the NFL in 1950.
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This feels forced. For a race that makes up 13% of the overall population, if we were striving for equal representation you'd have seen ONE black referee, not the whole crew. And I get it, sometimes a statement needs to be made. For me, it's one more instance of using sports as a platform for social justice, for virtue signaling, when that is NOT what America (used to) tunes in to watch. Interesting there's no statement from the NFL in the article about what % of all officials are of what race. Is there 2% asians? Seriously, this social agenda to shove statements into the collective face of the public is sickening to me. Play the damn game, officiate the damn game. I'm not watching to see how many players, or officials, are of what race. Nor am I tuning in to see if Player or Official A is doing it 'as well as a white guy', because race doesn't matter. Are you able to do the job? That's what matters.

MLK said:

“I look to a day when people will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.”​

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JessFR said:
Oh God don't remind me. That's one of a group of things Obama did I truly despised.

It was effectively open witness tampering by the fucking president. Let juries decide who's in the right or wrong.

It's the kinda bullshit I expect more out of trump.
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It's like you started to reply to my quote, then switched tabs and were replying to a different thread?
 
Dunno, it's doing the "not available in your country" bs.

I was talking about Obama essentially biasing anyone who might ever be on a jury against George Zimmerman.
 
JessFR said:
Sorry my bad, I meant jury tampering.
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so by Obama saying if he had a son he'd look like Trayvon, he was tampering the jury?

the jury that found Zimmerman not guilty. (Four months later)

for murdering a kid wearing a hoodie with skittles.
 
It works, but no that's not what I was talking about.

I was talking about Obama coming out during the whole George Zimmerman Trayvon Martin deal and giving opinions that could easily bias prospective jurors against Zimmerman (or I suppose in Zimmerman favor if they really hated Obama, but that would be wrong too)
 
mal3volent said:
so by Obama saying if he had a son he'd look like Trayvon, he was tampering the jury?

the jury that found Zimmerman not guilty. (Four months later)

for murdering a kid wearing a hoodie with skittles.
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I don't wanna get into this. No matter who was right or wrong in the whole deal, the president shouldn't be taking sides when there's ongoing or likely to be ongoing legal cases involving the people he's talking about.

As I said before, it's not even certain to effect everyone the same way, some people who hate Obama might well be biased in favor of Zimmerman by the association.

He should have said nothing.
 
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