mal3volent
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So by saying his son would look like Trayvon...that was taking a side?
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JessFR
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Uhh yeah?
Would you be happy if Hitler said something like that about you to prospective jurists?
Stop over thinking how that would happen that's not the point! Point is, saying stuff like that can bias people.
Obviously Zimmerman defense in such a case is going to want the jury focusing on the injuries trayvon inflicted, that he wasn't an innocent child but an attacker from Zimmerman eyes.
Again the point is NOT if that's actually a true representation or not. The point is that the jury should only be influenced by the matters brought up in the trial. That's why juries get sequestered away from the media in big cases.
The president should respect that, not go deliberately fucking with it.
Would you be happy if Hitler said something like that about you to prospective jurists?
Stop over thinking how that would happen that's not the point! Point is, saying stuff like that can bias people.
Obviously Zimmerman defense in such a case is going to want the jury focusing on the injuries trayvon inflicted, that he wasn't an innocent child but an attacker from Zimmerman eyes.
Again the point is NOT if that's actually a true representation or not. The point is that the jury should only be influenced by the matters brought up in the trial. That's why juries get sequestered away from the media in big cases.
The president should respect that, not go deliberately fucking with it.
JessFR
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Obama sadly wasn't a lot of things.
He was one thing though! Not trump.
He was one thing though! Not trump.
assclass
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excuses!
HA
Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act - Wikipedia
Like how Biden didn't have the power to stop this bill baring his name from being a racist and destructive to American society?
TheLoveBandit
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Impressive. I didn't know BIden was VP under Clinton's term. Thanks for paying attention, it isn't two cents worth, and sorry I don't have change for a half-penny.
YES he did that while in Congress, and YES he has to own that bill. I believe I may have mentioned that in my words you quoted...
Wow, I did! And I was able to make the distinction between what Biden did before working under Obama and what he did while under Obama, given the context was the power VPs do or do not have.
Try not to move the goalposts when trying to make a point, it only makes you look incapable of making the point at all.
assclass
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Obama sadly wasn't a lot of things.
He was one thing though! Not trump.
we just discussed how the executive has limited power....
"Senator Joe Biden drafted the Senate version of the legislation in cooperation with National Association of Police Officers president Tom Scotto"
JOE WROTE IT
TheLoveBandit
Retired Never Was, Coulda been wannabe
First, I apologize for the attitude I showed. Was a rough part of the day for me, so I'm sorry for throwing sass you didn't earn. (I'm sure you'll earn it later 
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Yes. That's what I was saying.
Yes. That's what I was saying.
)Yes. That's what I was saying.
Yes. That's what I was saying.
assclass
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I'm from the Lounge, I am perfectly fine with your attitude and sash. Hope your days get better, this year has been difficult for even the best of us.First, I apologize for the attitude I showed. Was a rough part of the day for me, so I'm sorry for throwing sass you didn't earn. (I'm sure you'll earn it later
nuttynutskin
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If this ain't racism I don't know what is...
Oregon's $62M coronavirus relief fund for Black residents suspends operations
The fund will cease operations after facing a slew of legal challenges
Associated Press
PORTLAND — The state’s new $62 million pandemic relief fund for Black Oregonians will stop allocating grants and deposit the remaining $8.8 million with a federal court while legal challenges against it continue.
The Oregon Cares Fund agreed to deposit its money with the court Thursday after plaintiffs challenged the fund’s constitutionality, The Oregonian/OregonLive reported.
Plaintiffs also asked U.S. Judge Karin Immergut to issue a preliminary injunction or restraining order to stop the fund from distributing money on the basis of race.
CORONAVIRUS RELIEF FUND IN OREGON MEANT TO HELP BLACK-OWNED BUSINESSES EXCLUSIVELY
Immergut had previously denied two requests for an injunction. In those instances, the Oregon Cares Fund set aside money for the plaintiffs in case they prevailed in their legal challenges, leading Immergut to find that they couldn’t show the irreparable harm needed to warrant an injunction.
But the original plaintiff in the case, John Day logging company Great Northern Resources, joined with Salem electrical contractor Dynamic Service Fire and Security and its owner, Walter Van Leja, to seek class-action status for the suit earlier in December. They then filed a new motion for a preliminary injunction against the Oregon Cares Fund on behalf of themselves and others in their situation.
They contend that Oregon has violated the equal protection clause of the U.S. Constitution by distributing benefits on the basis of race and that they and other non-Black individuals and businesses who have suffered because of the pandemic will be irreparably harmed if the fund is allowed to continue distributing money on the basis of race, according to The Oregonian.
PORTLAND BUSINESS OWNER DESCRIBES 'DEVASTATING SITUATION,' SAYS 'THERE ARE NO CONSEQUENCES' FOR CRIMES
As of Monday, organizers of the Oregon Cares Fund had already approved nearly $50 million in payments and paid out more than $38 million to Black Oregonians, Black-owned businesses and Black-led nonprofits. Federal dollars used to seed the fund must be spent by Dec. 30.
Oregon Cares Fund offered to deposit its remaining $8.8 million with the court, effectively shutting it down, at least for now.
Lawyers for The Contingent, a nonprofit administering the Oregon Cares Fund, said Thursday that about 7,000 applications for grants from the fund remained pending. Those applications will remain on hold.
OREGON OFFICAL TO DEFY GOVERNOR'S CORONAVIRUS RESTRICTION
Observers have said it is unlikely that legal challenges would force Black Oregonians who received assistance to repay the money, even if the fund and its supporters ultimately lose in court.
There were questions about the fund’s legality when the Oregon Legislature’s Emergency Board voted in July to allocate federal dollars to seed it. The legislative counsel’s office warned that setting aside funds for one race could be considered unconstitutional without strong data and evidence showing “past discrimination in the economic sphere.”
Gov. Kate Brown and Attorney General Ellen Rosenblum have issued a joint statement backing the fund and promising to defend it.
Oregon's $62M coronavirus relief fund for Black residents suspends operations
Oregon's new $62 million pandemic relief fund for Black residents will stop allocating grants and deposit the remaining $8.8 million with a federal court while legal challenges against it continue.
JessFR
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Soo, are you saying it's racism for wanting to exclusively help blacks, or racism for stopping them exclusively helping blacks?
I assume the latter, but honestly, it IS racism to exclusively help blacks. If you exclusively help one race and not another, that's racism.
If I set up a service to only help whites, that'd be racist. It's not suddenly not racist if I do exactly that but with blacks.
I sympathize with the motive behind it, I just think it's a bad approach.
I assume the latter, but honestly, it IS racism to exclusively help blacks. If you exclusively help one race and not another, that's racism.
If I set up a service to only help whites, that'd be racist. It's not suddenly not racist if I do exactly that but with blacks.
I sympathize with the motive behind it, I just think it's a bad approach.
nuttynutskin
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I'm saying it's racist to give only black business owners money but not white business owners or any other race money.
Jabberwocky
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Wouldn't that be unconstitutional? Unequal treatment based on race.
nuttynutskin
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Yeah, I believe so. People would be in the streets rioting if there was a fund for only white business owners. I'm not an expert in law and court shit, but from what I've gathered it will come down to whether they can prove that black businesses were somehow affected more by covid as to warrant their own relief fund.
Jabberwocky
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Why race needs to be dividing factor? Maybe just divide by numbers, how much the business has lost and then make them to their own factions and give each faction X amount of money
nuttynutskin
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Yeah, I agree that race SHOULDN'T be a factor. Either make it the same amount for everyone or figure it out by numbers. I will never understand how racism will be fought by treating people differently based on race. Doesn't make much sense if you think about it.
I think most people are ignorant of the fact Black Lives Matter is a private company founded by sketchy ass people who use the money for selfish, consumerist stuff. It is not a political movement, not a charity.. it is a for profit company, like Nike or Walmart.
Any time you say that, you are giving them free advertising and further confusing people on whether it's a political statement or an advertisement, and it is an advertisement, they sell a lot of merchandise with a jacked up price tag, making people think they are contributing to a cause, instead of some lady's lavish lifestyle. I think this is the epitome of making political outrage a commodity. They are taking advantage of the very people they claim to represent. They all keep their financial affairs very strictly private... not sketchy at all for a charity, right?
I think something along the lines of "black people matter" or "black lives have value" would be a better phrase. But no, people like to all say the exact same thing, because when it's just a phrase you can repeat, you dont actually have to dig through the confusion to find real answers, and real introspection.
Tl;dr people like to gather in herds and chant things. When all your political information comes from >160 character posts, you make an easy target.
Any time you say that, you are giving them free advertising and further confusing people on whether it's a political statement or an advertisement, and it is an advertisement, they sell a lot of merchandise with a jacked up price tag, making people think they are contributing to a cause, instead of some lady's lavish lifestyle. I think this is the epitome of making political outrage a commodity. They are taking advantage of the very people they claim to represent. They all keep their financial affairs very strictly private... not sketchy at all for a charity, right?
I think something along the lines of "black people matter" or "black lives have value" would be a better phrase. But no, people like to all say the exact same thing, because when it's just a phrase you can repeat, you dont actually have to dig through the confusion to find real answers, and real introspection.
Tl;dr people like to gather in herds and chant things. When all your political information comes from >160 character posts, you make an easy target.
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JessFR
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Right, well I agree.
I actually got called a racist once for arguing this exact point.
That it's racist to have a welfare system that provides support only for one race.
Is discriminating on the basis of someone's skin wrong or not? In my view, it's wrong. Which means it wrong when it's discrimination against non blacks too. Way I see it there is no reverse racism, just racism.
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nuttynutskin
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Nicely said... I wonder how much of the money from these things even goes towards the black community in the first place? I think a lot of people are lining their pockets with this BLM shit. And of course it's easier to chant things and riot than to actually take a hard look at the real problems in a community and take responsibility. Been saying that for a while. lol
Captain.Heroin
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Yes because who is black is racism. You're defining people on their skin color.
What if you're half black?
What if you're 2% black?
What if you're mostly black but have white ancestors?
If black lives matter why don't we focus on situations in Africa, like Yemen, Sudan, Zimbabawe, etc. where the issues are more pressing?
It's because people are fucking selfish and only care about themselves, that's why.
Life doesn't matter. If it did there would be a conclusion to the premise.
And I love how no one is going to help out the Native American population, we come here, take their land, fill it with people that don't belong here, and then think they are the ones that need help. Think about it. If you think people of color lives matter, then there's a lot of racism that doesn't even involve white people (i.e. Black/Latino tensions in some parts of US).
Captain.Heroin
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THANK YOU.
Nutty gets it.
Reverse racism or reverse discrimination is the concept that affirmative action and similar color-conscious programs for redressing racial inequality are a form of anti-white racism. This is why some white and a bunch of Asians decided to sue Harvard, or Yale or something, or whatever.
I don't care. Nothing matters and they're just angry they didn't get into their school of choice.