Social Justice Black Lives Matter Discussion Thread

[Deru]

Well that means you don't fully support BLM's agenda then.

Well, I've never claimed to fully support BLM's agenda, to begin with. That's a broad claim, and one I would typically never make. However, in this case, I'm not sure how that conclusion could be drawn, as I do agree with what I just quoted completely, in the context provided.

 

[nuttynutskin]

Well, I've never claimed to fully support BLM's agenda, to begin with. That's a broad claim, and one I would typically never make. However, in this case, I'm not sure how that conclusion could be drawn, as I do agree with what I just quoted completely, in the context provided.

I'm just saying, if you don't support the idea that the nuclear family or whatever you want to call it should be dismantled, then you don't fully agree with BLM. If you think that things like that aren't the goal of the people that are seriously a part of the movement then I think you're mistaken. That's why so many people are against BLM. It's not because they hate black people and don't think they should be equal, it's because they don't agree with all of the other "goals" and views of the movement.

 

[Deru]

I'm just saying, if you don't support the idea that the nuclear family or whatever you want to call it should be dismantled, then you don't fully agree with BLM. If you think that things like that aren't the goal of the people that are seriously a part of the movement then I think you're mistaken. That's why so many people are against BLM. It's not because they hate black people and don't think they should be equal, it's because they don't agree with all of the other "goals" and views of the movement.

I support the majority of BLM's ideals, and I've mentioned before that BLM doesn't need to be perfect, it's impossible. But, how did we circle back to BLM wanting to dismantle the nuclear family - that's not what they're stating.

 

[nuttynutskin]

I support the majority of BLM's ideals, and I've mentioned before that BLM doesn't need to be perfect, it's impossible. But, how did we circle back to BLM wanting to dismantle the nuclear family - that's not what they're stating.

You just posted...

We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable."

I don't understand what the confusion is? BLM was founded by lesbian marxists who want communal parenting as one of their goals. Sure nothing has to be perfect, but wouldn't it make more sense to be a part of something you can fully be behind? IMO it would be the equivalent of supporting a religion but not agreeing with some of the main principles of it. BLM isn't just about equality for black people.

 

[Deru]

BLM was founded by lesbian marxists who want communal parenting as one of their goals.

I see what you're saying, for sure. And they may very well envision that extreme, but my point was earlier, which I probably didn't article well enough, was by adding this:

We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable."

it changes it from an extreme absolute, as you're claiming, to a spectrum with an emphasis on community support. It's important to note, as well, they use "disrupt" and not "dismantle."

For dismantle:

"We make our spaces family-friendly and enable parents to fully participate with their children. We dismantle the patriarchal practice that requires mothers to work “double shifts” so that they can mother in private even as they participate in public justice work."

They want to actually dismantle patriarchal practices, which is defined as "a system of social structures and practices in which men dominate, oppress, and exploit women".

And I'm totally good with that, as well.

Sure nothing has to be perfect, but wouldn't it make more sense to be a part of something you can fully be behind? IMO it would be the equivalent of supporting a religion but not agreeing with some of the main principles of it

BLM isn't just about equality for black people.

Sure, it would be smoother if it was perfect. Anything that deals with governing human behavior is always going to be imperfect, as humans are imperfect as well. In this case, I believe in most of the main principles of BLM. It would be the equivalent to people who are religious, I would imagine there are numerous things that are overlooked or ignored in that religion, the religion succeeds if the human behavior is modified due to them believing in the majority. Almost all things related to social constructs deal with the majority versus absolutes.

A better analogy I use for BLM is the vehicle to get us from where we are to where we need to be, with ending racism the main goal. The vehicle may be broken, loud, and ugly. It may make many people outraged and appalled. It may have broken parts which would result in laws being broken (think: riots), but it's the only vehicle available and it's here when enough people want to get in the car. As long as the car gets us to where we want to be, then the people who get in the car will overlook the flaws.

I would imagine this would be very similar to a person who supports Trump. Trump, himself isn't perfect and says outlandish and outrageous things, sometimes downright horrible, but people would be willing to ignore those flaws if the overall Trump presidency is being assessed by the individual as positive.

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

This is a bad faith argument, in my opinion, as it takes the verbage out of context.

"We make our spaces family-friendly and enable parents to fully participate with their children. We dismantle the patriarchal practice that requires mothers to work “double shifts” so that they can mother in private even as they participate in public justice work.

We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable."

This is a bad faith argument, in my opinion, as it takes the verbage out of context.

"We make our spaces family-friendly and enable parents to fully participate with their children. We dismantle the patriarchal practice that requires mothers to work “double shifts” so that they can mother in private even as they participate in public justice work.

We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable."

I don't believe in pizza gate, but this scenario is something that paedos and predatory people take advantage of or insert themselves into to find victims. It is a recipe for disaster.

Patriarchy? Social justice? 8) Most people including single black parents do not care about either, and are too busy working instead of going to pointless protests.

As I wrote in the thread about that rapist Jacob Blake: It would be EXACTLY like the racist black supremacist group MOVE in Philadelphia which took a row house or townhouse and made the entire neighbourhood it was in, which was not the best to begin with into a total and complete shithole, and this was long before the fire bomb and massive fire which destroyed innocent peoples' homes.

Even their black American neighbours hated MOVE and would call the police, child services, etc.

There was child abuse going on in the racist MOVE group as the children were denied food, indoctrinated into the anti-government black supremacist hate group, taught to fire weapons and sell drugs, they were not allowed to bathe, visit doctors or hospitals, or attend any sort of school. Home schooling? Forget it. They also murdered police officers and in the mid 1980s used children as pawns, hoarded weapons, and went crazy with the black supremacist racism.

Like ALL racist hate groups and like the black racist hate group black lives matter has done, they attack other people both inside the group and normal people who want nothing to do with this racist garbage, or who speak out against it. In 2002 a MOVE member who was going to testify in court against the group was murdered by members of MOVE.

Move - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[nuttynutskin]

My question would be how much has BLM actually helped African Americans? From what I can tell not much. Holding countless protests and demanding things over and over with no feasible end goal isn't accomplishing anything. I think there's a lot better ways to affect change, but they involve working within the system, and a lot of protesters aren't interested in that. They'd rather demand demand demand. Blaming white people for everything while not addressing the REAL problems in black society won't get them anywhere. It seems like with their funds they could put some real effort into strengthening the black community, but it's not what seems to be happening.

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

My question would be how much has BLM actually helped African Americans? From what I can tell not much. Holding countless protests and demanding things over and over with no feasible end goal isn't accomplishing anything. I think there's a lot better ways to affect change, but they involve working within the system, and a lot of protesters aren't interested in that. They'd rather demand demand demand. Blaming white people for everything while not addressing the REAL problems in black society won't get them anywhere. It seems like with their funds they could put some real effort into strengthening the black community, but it's not what seems to be happening.

It is a classic pyramid scheme or gifting where just like in Marxism/socialism/communism/Leninism the people at the top get all the €£$ and everyone else gets fucked, especially the people who they are claiming to help.

 

[Noodle]

I see no reason to demonize a movement that was born from a few hundred years of mistreatment and persecution.

I also see no reason to be concerned with something that does not affect you in any way, especially the foreigners dying to chippy chirp all about the subject.

I don't take this forum or these conversations too seriously. Regardless of what is shared here, the events in my country will play out all the same.

Hopefully the number of people demanding systemic change will be able to shake things up enough to affect a lasting change.

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

HELP I AM BEING OPPRESSED!!! HE USED A CHINESE WORD THAT IS OFFENSIVE, HATE SPEECH, AND THIS EUROPEAN PROFESSOR MUST BE FIRED FROM THE UNIVERSITY NOW!!! I AM TRAUMATISED, SHAMED, AND IN LACANIAN THERAPY! THROW HIM IN THE BASTILLE!

USC Professor Placed on Leave after Black Students Complained His Pronunciation of a Chinese Word Affected Their Mental Health

The University of Southern California has placed a communications professor on leave after a group of black MBA candidates threatened to drop his class rather than "endure the emotional exhaustion of carrying on with an instructor that disregards cultural diversity and sensitivities” following...

www.yahoo.com

What is the common Chinese word that sounds like "nigga" (to American ears)?

Answer (1 of 38): I know what r u talking about. It‘s written like “那个”,u can pronounce [nɪgə] or [nʌgə]or[nəgə].Depends on your accent. 1.Just means “that”.”那个猫“means “that cat” 2.means “well”.”那个，你还好吗？”means “Well,Are u OK?” 3.No meaning.Just like “Uh””Er”，“我觉得，那个…….”means”I think,uh…” Chi...

www.quora.com

 

[Noodle]

I legitimately feel sorry for you.

*laugh react in 3, 2...

 

[Captain.Heroin]

I legitimately feel sorry for you.

*laugh react in 3, 2...

Excellent contribution to the thread.

You don't have to like his take on the link posted but it seems... I don't know, loosely connected?

 

[alasdairm]

USC Professor Placed on Leave after Black Students Complained His Pronunciation of a Chinese Word Affected Their Mental Health

The University of Southern California has placed a communications professor on leave after a group of black MBA candidates threatened to drop his class rather than "endure the emotional exhaustion of carrying on with an instructor that disregards cultural diversity and sensitivities” following...

www.yahoo.com

that is a silly and inappropriate overreaction to an act with no apparent ill-intent.

this bleeding-heart, sjw libtard agrees with you, priest. i hope your friends don't stop talking to you

alasdair

 

[mal3volent]

How cops treat white criminal threats:

 

[Kara Kava]

How cops treat white criminal threats:

Not all. I know a white guy who got shot for having a butter knife in his hands and naked screaming some gibberish. He was mentally ill.
They seem to be treated the worse in my country
All police should get federal level training because the federal police in my country are better educated with people skills and deescalation.
City cops are poorly trained

 

[Captain.Heroin]

How cops treat white criminal threats:

Every cop is a different individual and should be judged on an individual basis.

People can attack other groups of people for group attributes/stereotypes, gays or cops, etc. and this is not holding individuals responsible for their actions.

Actions in the field are not going to be homogenized either.

"Anti-black bias" in police officers has been found in non-white police officers as well (no one wants to address this in the thread).

 

[mal3volent]

"Anti-black bias" in police officers has been found in non-white police officers as well (no one wants to address this in the thread).

well many of us have said it's a systemic problem which points to bias within the system itself. Which would cover anti black bias by black cops as well.

you must admit it's pretty jarring to see the white dude running around naked trying to explicitly hurt the police and they give him like twenty warnings, Fire a taser, dodge him, and fucking allow him to get one of them in a headlock . While at the same time Jacob Blake (not to mention all the others) gets shot seven times in the back when it's not even clear they had a good reason to perceive any threat at all.

black people and black men in particular are seen as threatening based on their skin color. Run through the list of every single high profile example that's happened since Trayvon Martin. It happened before that obviously but that's when I started paying attention.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

well many of us have said it's a systemic problem which points to bias within the system itself.

The studies I have seen involve nations without white people (i.e. South Korea). Even in a nation without black people the bias was still present which raises important questions.

So what "system"?

There are BLM protests in Africa. Where people and the police are mostly if not entirely black people.

Does this not boil down to pro and anti police stances?

I personally don't see this as a massive failing of the United States as a nation separate to a global stage that largely is reflecting the same thing. A liberal misinterpretation of the world is that it is largely peaceful and amazing, except for America which "still" has racial division. This is incorrect.

 

[mal3volent]

The studies I have seen involve nations without white people (i.e. South Korea). Even in a nation without black people the bias was still present which raises important questions.

So what "system"?

There are BLM protests in Africa. Where people and the police are mostly if not entirely black people.

Does this not boil down to pro and anti police stances?

I know that cultures are different around the world, and different prejudices exist for different reasons. I think the root of all of it is the same though. Poverty and religion mainly. They keep the masses from becoming enlightened. Or what gen z would call woke. Poverty and the class system keeps us pitted against each other so the ultra rich can do as they please while we're distracted. Religion keeps us pacified through our despair. So we never as a society can make real progress from our struggles.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

you must admit it's pretty jarring to see the white dude running around naked trying to explicitly hurt the police and they give him like twenty warnings, Fire a taser, dodge him, and fucking allow him to get one of them in a headlock . While at the same time Jacob Blake (not to mention all the others) gets shot seven times in the back when it's not even clear they had a good reason to perceive any threat at all.

It makes me think people are really fucking stupid for thinking they need police when they are so ineffective.

They respond to crime after it happens. They don't stop or prevent it, this is a media narrative and fictional script for the screen which makes real life, which is quite banal, much more interesting than it really is.

If the cops were going to stop a murderer without being told to do so by someone else (i.e. complainant or bystander, or investigator after a body has been detected and investigated hours/days later), then they would have stopped these people from murdering before the initial confrontation. Does that make sense?

There is no Übermensch and the "law and order" that President Trump espouses cannot exist because we simply are not in control of our actions let alone the actions of other people.