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Social Justice Black Lives Matter Discussion Thread

Is it ok for me to judge a person based on how they look as long as they are the same color as me?

It would be more applicable to discuss this in terms of if you judged people equally, regardless of their race. Judgement is an inherent survival mechanism, we all do it whether we want to acknowledge it or not, it helped ensure our species' survival. Now that we live in social constructs, we are able to modify and adjust those outdated survival behaviors and mechanisms to become a well-adjusted citizen within our communities. It's the same concept of our fight or flight response, that was essential to our survival pre-social constructs, but it's not as essential to our survival now, and this causes anxiety disorders in some people who can not become "well-adjusted" and modify accordingly. If the inherent variables that are constantly in flux of the social construct you live in says judgement is bad, then if we are not able to assess when we judge and modify the resultant behavior accordingly, we move further away from "well-adjusted" and closer to "anti-social" on the very complex spectrum. Where "well-adjusted" lies varies greatly from one area to the next and also as time goes on, that's why mental disorders are diagnosed differently sometimes from one country and/or culture to another, it's a very relative system based on the humans beings within that community.
 
Anyways, just looked up some more specific information.
Unarmed whites getting shot vs Unarmed blacks getting shot.
One out of 292,000 arrests for blacks, and one out of 283,000 arrests for whites.
How is this possible if there's such a huge racist bias with the US police?

This is true. The individual interactions that people of different races have with the police usually are no different. However, the history of racism in this country means that more black people are born into poverty, which results in higher odds of being in a community with a heavy police presence. As a result, black people are more likely to have encounters with the police, and this makes them more likely to become victims of police violence. This is what drives the disparity much more than individual cops treating black people differently than non-minorities. The biggest reason why these incidents keep happening is that police are not held accountable in any consistent manner.
 
Shit, Idk how I forgot about that. Yeah truly disgusting. Also disgusting when people are afraid to wear clothing with an American flag on it or a Trump hat for fear of being targeted.

Absolutely. Let's not forget the true victims in today's society: white people wearing Trump merch.
 
^ lol.

Also disgusting when people are afraid to wear clothing with an American flag on it
you think that's disgusting?

do you know that wearing the u.s. flag is forbidden by the u.s. flag code? it's u.s. code title 4, chapter 1, §8d if you'd like to look it up.

why do you support people disrespecting the american flag?

alasdair
 
^ lol.

you think that's disgusting?

do you know that wearing the u.s. flag is forbidden by the u.s. flag code? it's u.s. code title 4, chapter 1, §8d if you'd like to look it up.

why do you support people disrespecting the american flag?

alasdair

PICTURES FOOL, not literally wearing an American flag. Like you care anyways. :LOL:

Some things never change here, that's for sure.
 
i'm not disputing that.

but your claim was: "it was done by sociopathic racist black supremacist types who support black lives matter or who are in the racist hate group BLM"

can you substantiate that at all? or are you just assuming?

thanks.

alasdair
I guess doing your own research is too bothersome? Just making smartassed comments will prove your point?

I think you dropped this ali. 😘
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I guess doing your own research is too bothersome?
priesttheycalledhim made a claim which he has, so far, been unable or unwilling to substantiate. i am trying to not draw the obvious conclusion.

@Blowmonkey would you describe yourself as a fascist? do you support fascist ideas and ideals (like authoritarianism and nationalism)?

alasdair
 
Antifa and black lives matter are very cleverly chosen names, because how can you not be against fascism or not be in favour of the phrase black lives matter, right? Just because they adopted those names absolutely doesn't mean that they portray what they stand for, when there's elements of fascism running rife in your so called anti-fascist movement, then it's all just a bunch of hot gas.

Black lives absolutely matter, fascism is absolutely appalling, but fighting racism with racism and fighting fascism with fascism is turning my stomach. I've been watching riotstreams non-stop these last few months, don't come debating me with those mainstream media narrative arguments. Everything has become politicized, I'm not going to play along.

I do not support those movements or what they keep demanding day in day out. I agree with some of their sentiments though, just like I agree with some of the sentiments on "the other side", the so called nazi's and white supremacists, because if you do not support blm or antifa, you're one of those. It's all become very black and white, probably pun intended.
 
so we're both anti-fa! greetings comrade :)

there's elements of fascism running rife in your so called anti-fascist movement, then it's all just a bunch of hot gas
this is an important point i think but i disagree that it's all a bunch of hot gas.

there are extremists in every movement. we probably agree on that and i do agree that the extremists in the antifa and blm movements do both of those causes a huge disservice. but it's a mistake to paint the entire organization - whatever that organization - with the actions of a small subset of those members.

and i believe that is what priesttheycalledhim is trying to do with that raccoon video. that's why i feel it's important to ask for proof that the people in the video are what he says they are. because if they're not, he's just fabricating nonsense to further his agenda.

thanks for the comments.

alasdair
 
But it's so easy to just go to the source nowadays, I can't say if he was trying to do anything, but you weren't trying to find out either.

It's not a small section anymore. Everyone in these protests uses the same chants, people are getting riled up before or during most of these protests by radicalized speakers with nothing but hate, when you demonstrate alongside them or give them a foothold by buying into their ideologies and demands you're imo complicit in the sedition.

I'll give them one thing, blm and antifa have raised awareness, but for the most part, they blew it, they've set back race relations at least, well let's say 50 years.
 
he made the claim. the burden of proof is on him. if he can't or won't substantiate the claim, it speaks to the veracity of the claim. how would you go about proving that somebody is not a member of blm? can you prove you're not a member?

i really hope we're not sliding back to the sohiallthetime days where people "i've made a claim. it's true until you prove otherwise" is considered acceptable...

alasdair
 
he made the claim. the burden of proof is on him

This is accurate, for sure. The burden is on the person making the claim to provide reliable sources for said claim so that people can make informed decisions of said claim and allow discussion and/or dispute if necessary. We don't work in the reverse for a reason.
 
I’m so glad to not be using twitter as a source. It is easily used to spread misinformation. And, it often is...
 
Yet again... (although the actual incident happened back in March.)


Seven police officers involved in the suffocation death of Daniel Prude, a Black man, in Rochester, New York, have been suspended, the city's mayor announced on Thursday.

What she's saying: “Mr. Daniel Prude was failed by the police department, our mental health care system, our society and he was failed by me,” Rochester Mayor Lovely Warren said during a press conference.

  • "What I saw in that video was a man who needed help, a man who needed compassion, a man who needed humanity, a man who we have respected, a man who was in crisis. Our response to him was wrong and we need to change how we deal with these situations going forward," Warren added, referring to body camera footage of the arrest.
  • Warren, who is Black, also invoked her own family's experience with police brutality, saying her cousin's grandfather was the victim of police violence in 1962.
    • "It is now September of 2020 and Daniel Prude’s death has proven yet again that many of the challenges that we faced then are the same challenges that we face today."
Context: Prude's death only received public attention after his family released body cam footage on Wednesday that showed police officers putting a hood over the 41-year-old's head and holding his face to the pavement for two minutes on March 23.

  • Prude's brother had called police, saying his brother, who was naked at the time of the arrest, was having a mental health episode.
  • Prude, who was from Chicago, died seven days after the incident when his family took him off life support. His death was ruled a homicide, arising from "complications of asphyxia in the setting of physical restraint," according to local news channel WROC.
  • Prude's family has called for the officers to be fired.
Of note: Warren said Rochester Police Chief La'ron Singletary initially told her that Prude died of a drug overdose while in police custody. The mayor said she had not seen the video of Prude's arrest until Aug. 4.

  • "I have addressed with the police chief how deeply and personally and professionally disappointed I am for him failing to fully and accurately inform me about what occurred with Mr. Prude. He knows he needs to do better to truly protect and serve our community and I believe that he will," Warren said.
  • The mayor added that she suspended the officers against the advice of the city's corporation council. "I understand that the union may sue the city for this. They should feel free to do so," she noted. "I would not be who I am today if I don’t stand by own truth."
  • She said the officers will continue to receive pay, per police contract rules
  • Warren said she ordered the police chief to give her office any additional video from the incident within 24 hours, as well as provide briefings on the criminal and internal aspects of the department's probe.
  • Warren also said Singletary must develop a plan within 30 days "to further address our police departments response to mental health calls."
 
Makes you wonder how often this happened back before there were body cameras, social media, or a press that gave a damn...
 
In the same BLM protest in Portland, Oregon they beat and robbed a trans woman and then beat the man who defended her to a coma after he crashed his truck. This horrific animal cruelty happened in Portland and people on Twitter and other websites identified that the street in this video belonged to that city. Raccoons are often found in Portland so it makes sense this video was filmed in Portland during the last protest, and that these people are in the racist hate group black lives matter as they are out rioting, torturing and killing a raccoon, not wearing masks, not staying home or socially distant, and spreading the Chinese Coronavirus, etc.

These are not good people, it has never been about police reform, helping Black Americans or black people in other countries, and they have behaviour exactly like a lynch mob.

 
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