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The guy in the article I posted? Where did he admit to killing people? He just said he stabbed him. Article is confusing tho, at first it says attempted first degree murder and then it says he was being charged with first degree murder. I'll try to find another source.

Regardless, defending yourself from an angry mob that's trying to kill you doesn't make one a terrorist. Not sure why you don't get that.

Regardless,

black guy (From your article) admits to committing violent crime = immediately arrested
white guy (white terrorist in Kenosha) admits to committing violent crime= Police: "thanks bro, would you like a bottle of water for your drive home?"
 
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5 Years After Charleston Church Massacre, What Have We Learned?


It's been five years since one of the most heinous racial killings in U.S. history when a white supremacist murdered nine worshippers at the historic Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston, S.C. The massacre shocked the nation and prompted a racial dialogue in the city.

Those same issues resonate today amid the national outcry over recent incidents of police brutality.

Ethel Lee Lance, 70, was at Emanuel AME for Wednesday night Bible study on June 17, 2015 when a white stranger showed up, her daughter, Rev. Sharon Risher recounts.

"They welcomed him in," Risher says. "He sat there and listened to this whole Bible study. And when they were in a circle holding hands in prayer is where he took out his Glock 45 and commenced to shooting and killing them like they were animals."

He fired 70 rounds. Risher's mother, two cousins, and a childhood friend were among the nine people killed. They include: Clementa C. Pinckney, 41; Cynthia Graham Hurd, 54; Susie J. Jackson, 87; DePayne Vontrease Middleton-Doctor, 49; Tywanza Kibwe Diop Sanders, 26; Daniel Lee Simmons Sr., 74; Sharonda Coleman-Singleton, 45, and Myra Singleton Quarles Thompson, 59. Three others survived: Felicia Sanders, her granddaughter, and Polly Sheppard.
Risher says the killer intended to snuff them out because of who they represented.

"Just like everybody else that's been killed because of hate and race, we need to continue to remind people that we continue to be hurt when all we want to do is be a people that could thrive like everybody else," Risher says.


Lessons learned from Charleston massacre

Risher has written a book about finding hope after the Charleston massacre and travels the country telling her story. Now she questions whether the nation has learned anything in the past five years since the shooting.

She says recent police killings of George Floyd in Minneapolis, Breonna Taylor in Louisville, Ky., and Rayshard Brooks in Atlanta show a systemic disregard for black lives.

"I'm just weary," Risher says. "Even though I know everybody is not a racist and there are people in this country that do want racial harmony, it's just so much to get through. You wonder. How long? Just how long?"

Emanuel AME is known as Mother Emanuel. Formed in 1816, it's one of the oldest black churches in the South, and survived being burned down for its role in an 1822 slave revolt. South Carolina Congressman James Clyburn, the House Majority Whip, says that's why a white supremacist targeted the congregation.

"And undertook what he thought would ignite a race war," Clyburn says. "What he did do ushered in a re-examination of who and what we are as Americans."

Shooter Dylann Roof was convicted on federal hate crimes, for which he was sentenced to death, and also pleaded guilty to state murder charges. Before the Emanuel massacre he had posted a racist manifesto online saying he was "awakened" by the 2012 killing of Trayvon Martin — the 17-year old African American shot to death by neighborhood watch volunteer, George Zimmerman, in Florida. Roof had posed for photos with Confederate flags.

After the mass shooting, there were ensuing battles over Confederate imagery, and groups formed to foster deeper interracial dialogues across South Carolina. Similar to what is happening now, Clyburn says.

He's among those in Congress, including Republican Sen. Tim Scott of South Carolina, who are calling for federal legislation to address police brutality. Clyburn points out that after the gruesome Emanuel attack, there was no lethal force, let alone violence when police apprehended the shooter Dylann Roof.

"The police officer that approached the door of the automobile he was driving, he re-holstered his gun," Clyburn says. "He didn't point it. He re-holstered his gun. There was tremendous difference in his arrest and what we've seen the last several days."

Dash cam video shows several officers backing away while one helps Roof out of the driver's door and handcuffs him.


'It was just a major loss'

"It was unspeakable," says the Rev. Kylon Middleton of Charleston's Mount Zion AME Church.

He was lifelong best friends with Emanuel pastor Clementa Pinckney, who was killed in the massacre while Pinckney's wife, Jennifer Pinckney, and one of their children huddled in the church office near the Bible study as the shooting was happening. Middleton now helps run a foundation in Pinckney's memory.

"Our lives were so intertwined that it was just a major loss," he says. "It was literally losing a brother."

Middleton says he was outraged at the way Roof's arrest went down, and what happened after. Once he was jailed, police brought Roof a meal from Burger King.

Just two months prior a white police officer in North Charleston shot and killed Walter Scott, as the African American man was running away after being pulled over for a broken brake light.

Middleton says it took the church setting to show that racial injustice was real – that black people could be targeted even though they were doing nothing wrong. But he says it was short-lived.

"That moment of 2015 was not sustained because there were so many things beyond the veneer that still needed to be dealt with," Middleton says. "It needed to be ripped away or stripped away or exposed and truly put on the table. So that those hard conversations could happen."

Middleton helped lead a program called the Illumination Project, designed to build trust between black communities and Charleston police. But he says every new cellphone recording of police brutality from anywhere serves as a setback to progress.

He says the protests for racial justice today, underway for more than three weeks now, including in Charleston, have the potential to become a full-fledged movement.

Chuck Burton/AP


Hopeful the nation has reached turning point

The Rev. Anthony Thompson agrees. He's the pastor of Holy Trinity Church in Charleston, and lost his wife Myra, a lifelong member at Mother Emanuel.

"I mean, my wife must have been on every committee in that church," he recalls fondly. She was soon to be ordained as a pastor and was teaching the Bible study that night.

Thompson has been dedicated to reconciliation initiatives since the mass shooting. He says it forced a reckoning with Charleston's history, and demeanor.

"The city was built on the back of slaves, so racism has always been a problem here," Thompson says. "We are very hospitable city. You know, where we smile and we laugh, but there was always an undertone of racism about which we would never talk about. And none of this came to focus until the Emanuel nine tragedy."

Now he's hopeful the nation has reached a turning point.

For Sharon Risher, the test for the movement taking root today is whether people are prepared to endure disruption.

"We have a tendency to be emotionally reactive when these things happen, and we go on for a couple of weeks and we get the hashtags," she says. "But when it comes to the hard work, then I believe we retreat right back to our separate corners and live our lives."

Risher says maybe this moment will be the catalyst that unlocks lasting change.

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NPR worries that declaring violent Portland protests to be riots could be racist
Taxpayer-funded outlet aired report saying riot declaration laws rooted 'in the state's racist history'

By Sam Dorman | Fox News

Authorities in Portland, Ore. may be racist in the way they define "riot," according to National Public Radio.

The taxpayer-funded media outlet aired a report Thursday in which it claimed that state laws governing riot declarations "have roots in the state's racist history."

An accompanying article by Oregon Public Broadcasting's Jonathan Levinson linked to a June interview with Black studies educator and writer Walidah Imarisha, who claimed the state's historically racist laws "absolutely" echo through Oregon's current governance.

"Oregon began as a white-only state," Levinson wrote. "While it banned slavery at its founding, the state adopted strict Black exclusionary laws which had been in place in the territory for decades. The law banned Black people from living in the state or owning property."

The Portland Police Department and Mayor Ted Wheeler's office did not immediately respond to Fox News' request for comments. As Levinson's article notes, Portland Police Bureau Deputy Chief Chris Davis defined riots in a video posted online.

"A riot is when six or more people engage in tumultuous and violent conduct, and thereby intentionally or recklessly create a grave risk of causing public alarm, excluding people who are engaged in passive resistance," Davis says in the clip.

Levinson's article argued that definition "is subjective, and the dispersal inevitably affects hundreds of nonviolent protesters."

Apart from the clip of Davis defining a riot and an annoucement declaring protest to be a riot, no police officers are quoted in Levinson's report. He does interview Oregon Democratic Rep. Janelle Bynum, who has sponsored legislation requiring police to declare a riot before using tear gas on demonstrators.

"A lot of the riot and crowd control philosophy and statute was developed around the '60s and '70s when protests around some of the very same things- rights for Black people - were taking place in the state and particularly in Portland," Bynum told NPR.

Levinson also quotes a protester who suggests the regulations were too vague.

Dan Gainor, Vice President at the conservative Media Research Center, blasted NPR's article in a statement to Fox News.

"NPR has joined with the rest of the major media telling Americans that riots are not riots. Except now, Levinson claims even calling a riot by its true name is racist. He acknowledges the violence of protesters and then disputes calling what they do a riot," he said.

"He also calls water bottles 'protesters' weapon of choice,' without admitting that the rioters freeze them and use them as potentially deadly projectiles. Of course, this all happens on taxpayer-funded NPR. And we all have to pay for his pro-rioter lies."


How is it racist if most of the people rioting are white? :unsure:
 
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5 Years After Charleston Church Massacre, What Have We Learned?


It's been five years since one of the most heinous racial killings in U.S. history when a white supremacist murdered nine worshippers at the historic Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston, S.C. The massacre shocked the nation and prompted a racial dialogue in the city.

Those same issues resonate today amid the national outcry over recent incidents of police brutality.

Ethel Lee Lance, 70, was at Emanuel AME for Wednesday night Bible study on June 17, 2015 when a white stranger showed up, her daughter, Rev. Sharon Risher recounts.

"They welcomed him in," Risher says. "He sat there and listened to this whole Bible study. And when they were in a circle holding hands in prayer is where he took out his Glock 45 and commenced to shooting and killing them like they were animals."

He fired 70 rounds. Risher's mother, two cousins, and a childhood friend were among the nine people killed. They include: Clementa C. Pinckney, 41; Cynthia Graham Hurd, 54; Susie J. Jackson, 87; DePayne Vontrease Middleton-Doctor, 49; Tywanza Kibwe Diop Sanders, 26; Daniel Lee Simmons Sr., 74; Sharonda Coleman-Singleton, 45, and Myra Singleton Quarles Thompson, 59. Three others survived: Felicia Sanders, her granddaughter, and Polly Sheppard.
Risher says the killer intended to snuff them out because of who they represented.

"Just like everybody else that's been killed because of hate and race, we need to continue to remind people that we continue to be hurt when all we want to do is be a people that could thrive like everybody else," Risher says.


Lessons learned from Charleston massacre

Risher has written a book about finding hope after the Charleston massacre and travels the country telling her story. Now she questions whether the nation has learned anything in the past five years since the shooting.

She says recent police killings of George Floyd in Minneapolis, Breonna Taylor in Louisville, Ky., and Rayshard Brooks in Atlanta show a systemic disregard for black lives.

"I'm just weary," Risher says. "Even though I know everybody is not a racist and there are people in this country that do want racial harmony, it's just so much to get through. You wonder. How long? Just how long?"

Emanuel AME is known as Mother Emanuel. Formed in 1816, it's one of the oldest black churches in the South, and survived being burned down for its role in an 1822 slave revolt. South Carolina Congressman James Clyburn, the House Majority Whip, says that's why a white supremacist targeted the congregation.

"And undertook what he thought would ignite a race war," Clyburn says. "What he did do ushered in a re-examination of who and what we are as Americans."

Shooter Dylann Roof was convicted on federal hate crimes, for which he was sentenced to death, and also pleaded guilty to state murder charges. Before the Emanuel massacre he had posted a racist manifesto online saying he was "awakened" by the 2012 killing of Trayvon Martin — the 17-year old African American shot to death by neighborhood watch volunteer, George Zimmerman, in Florida. Roof had posed for photos with Confederate flags.

After the mass shooting, there were ensuing battles over Confederate imagery, and groups formed to foster deeper interracial dialogues across South Carolina. Similar to what is happening now, Clyburn says.

He's among those in Congress, including Republican Sen. Tim Scott of South Carolina, who are calling for federal legislation to address police brutality. Clyburn points out that after the gruesome Emanuel attack, there was no lethal force, let alone violence when police apprehended the shooter Dylann Roof.

"The police officer that approached the door of the automobile he was driving, he re-holstered his gun," Clyburn says. "He didn't point it. He re-holstered his gun. There was tremendous difference in his arrest and what we've seen the last several days."

Dash cam video shows several officers backing away while one helps Roof out of the driver's door and handcuffs him.


'It was just a major loss'

"It was unspeakable," says the Rev. Kylon Middleton of Charleston's Mount Zion AME Church.

He was lifelong best friends with Emanuel pastor Clementa Pinckney, who was killed in the massacre while Pinckney's wife, Jennifer Pinckney, and one of their children huddled in the church office near the Bible study as the shooting was happening. Middleton now helps run a foundation in Pinckney's memory.

"Our lives were so intertwined that it was just a major loss," he says. "It was literally losing a brother."

Middleton says he was outraged at the way Roof's arrest went down, and what happened after. Once he was jailed, police brought Roof a meal from Burger King.

Just two months prior a white police officer in North Charleston shot and killed Walter Scott, as the African American man was running away after being pulled over for a broken brake light.

Middleton says it took the church setting to show that racial injustice was real – that black people could be targeted even though they were doing nothing wrong. But he says it was short-lived.

"That moment of 2015 was not sustained because there were so many things beyond the veneer that still needed to be dealt with," Middleton says. "It needed to be ripped away or stripped away or exposed and truly put on the table. So that those hard conversations could happen."

Middleton helped lead a program called the Illumination Project, designed to build trust between black communities and Charleston police. But he says every new cellphone recording of police brutality from anywhere serves as a setback to progress.

He says the protests for racial justice today, underway for more than three weeks now, including in Charleston, have the potential to become a full-fledged movement.

Chuck Burton/AP


Hopeful the nation has reached turning point

The Rev. Anthony Thompson agrees. He's the pastor of Holy Trinity Church in Charleston, and lost his wife Myra, a lifelong member at Mother Emanuel.

"I mean, my wife must have been on every committee in that church," he recalls fondly. She was soon to be ordained as a pastor and was teaching the Bible study that night.

Thompson has been dedicated to reconciliation initiatives since the mass shooting. He says it forced a reckoning with Charleston's history, and demeanor.

"The city was built on the back of slaves, so racism has always been a problem here," Thompson says. "We are very hospitable city. You know, where we smile and we laugh, but there was always an undertone of racism about which we would never talk about. And none of this came to focus until the Emanuel nine tragedy."

Now he's hopeful the nation has reached a turning point.

For Sharon Risher, the test for the movement taking root today is whether people are prepared to endure disruption.

"We have a tendency to be emotionally reactive when these things happen, and we go on for a couple of weeks and we get the hashtags," she says. "But when it comes to the hard work, then I believe we retreat right back to our separate corners and live our lives."

Risher says maybe this moment will be the catalyst that unlocks lasting change.

...



What happened in Charleston was a tragedy, but the gunman was apprehended and charged so who cares? Right?

That's what they say if it's white people getting killed.
 
NPR worries that declaring violent Portland protests to be riots could be racist
I'm glad to see these conversations and focus on these issues are being examined, systemically. That means, in my opinion, we're moving in the right direction.
 
News August 28, 2020

Black man allegedly 'felt compelled' to stab a white man at random after watching videos of police shootings online

The victim was transported to a hospital in Georgia
Police in Columbus, Georgia, reported Wednesday that a black man told them he "felt compelled" to stab a white man at random after watching videos of police shootings online.

Jayvon Hatchett, 19, allegedly walked into an AutoZone on Tuesday morning and proceeded to stab a white employee in the neck and torso seven times, according to WLTZ-TV reporter Robbie Watson.

Hatchett was promptly arrested and charged with aggravated assault and possession of a knife during the commission of a crime.

The victim, whose name has not been released, had no apparent connection with the assailant, police said. He was transported to the hospital in critical condition, but is expected to recover.

Columbus Police Sgt. Ray Mills allegedly stated to a judge Wednesday that Hatchett greeted him with a smile and readily confessed to the assault when officers responded to his home — which is just a short distance away from the AutoZone — to arrest him.

"Mr. Hatchett told me that he had been watching Facebook videos of police shootings in other parts of the country and that he felt compelled to go stab a white male," Mills reportedly testified in court.

Witnesses at the AutoZone said that Hatchett fled the scene immediately after committing the assault.

Surveillance video from the store and parking lot captured the crime on video, however, and police were tipped off to Hatchett's identity shortly after the footage was distributed by local media.

According to court records obtained by WLTZ-TV, Hatchett was free on bond at the time of the attack. He had been charged just three days prior for criminal damage to property. Only six months before that, he was reportedly booked for two felonies, including aggravated assault.

The judge presiding over this most recent case ordered Hatchett to have a mental health evaluation and declined to issue bond.

 
So, what is the evidence that there is continuing systemic racism against blacks?

The only way I can say that there is, is effects from what was the system, that we're still embedded in in some way, it being our past/history, so it still has problems that haven't really been solved yet.

But what exactly is the narrative, and what evidence supports it? When they consider blacks being killed by police, do they consider the behavior that the police are dealing with, from this group- The pattern of criminality that exists, especially violent? Millions of interactions a day, the instance of this happening is SO rare.

I have been rather dumbfounded that black lives matter never mentions for instance, drug legislation. That is something they might actually be able to press and have change happen that would be meaningful to the black community (and all communities). Also think of the potential jobs that that could create, also for blacks. But all they do is scream, well, systemic racism and shame white people and attack the roots of society itself, and promote communism. They're really becoming terrorists. They're acting like them.

But again, what evidence does any of this really have?

My only real way of framing it, to face the problem, for me, is through the drug war, and how it harmed black communities, and also, something that has been effecting middle America generally... loss of jobs, jobs all shifting to service, less manufacturing. And Trump has been pushing for that, and somehow, BLM is opposed to Trump. Anyway, I don't mean to expand too much.

I know racism exists, sure. My ideal is that we don't live in such multi-racial, multi-identitied societies, with different identity so it's hard for me to process how things should be, now. Racial identity, ethnocentrism, these are all realities. And I don't think they should be ignored. I do not like things that, without fully separating people, attempt to allocate, based on identity, "space" such as to live, around others, in the same area, or in a job or college, like now they have Affirmative Action to basically guarantee some racial quota... I think if we're going to separate, separate in a more meaningful way, otherwise there is going to be more injustice, and it's tantamount to slavery.

Currently the only laws that are around black people, give them special rights and privileges, they are certainly no more oppressive than laws everyone else is supposed to live under - not the laws themselves. Does their criminality, or the propensity for non-compliance, not matter? I'm not saying it's all black men.

But, so how really is this to be fixed?

Universal Basic Income?

There's also the fatherlessness, which I'm sure has been mentioned umpteen million times.

I just read this earlier tonight (a black father):

https://www.facebook.com/PatrickHamptonD/posts/4586345084710790?__cft__[0]=AZVOXPkKdzmLRBmYBzNx6azXDiSfq4VWd9YzG_ht20k-ZZkTbJw0IvN-6lOWFd4fVrLvD9X7XWU9qRORs1wxyG22w3KkjQMnSFDX7z_d3Kh7g_5Ka8QD24v0vo4eIYeoO0LJZMZj0CO5nynukwxijHOXF9p_t4nXKtK6cZh8iYIq2cZo0pf9Rt3gm_cAi1iCzFo&__tn__=,O,P-R

Dear LeBron James,

You don’t speak for me and my boys.

I’m a father of four brown boys. It is my responsibility as a father to protect and serve them. There is no need for police in my home because as the father, I’m the authority in my home.

Police are needed where fathers and law and order are absent. When there is no father to protect and serve children, police have to move into that community to protect and serve.

Where there is no father or authority in the home or neighborhood, young men rebel. This is why police are having a hard time gaining compliance with fatherless boys on the side of the road. They refuse to sit down, be quiet, and comply. Why? Because the police are the first men to tell them NO and assert their authority. These boys have spent years under no ones authority. This is the main problem.

#AcceptingAuthority

So please don’t speak for me and my boys. Me and my boys are not terrified of the police because we respect the police and accept their authority. That’s because they first had to respect me as their father and accept my authority. Actually one of them wants to be a police officer. You Lebron are trying to destroy that dream by painting police officers in a negative light when most a good guys.
We are terrified of the black men that kill each other in their black neighborhoods everyday. We are afraid of the black men that threaten us and call us cūns and uncle toms for desiring to live a peacefull and successful life. We are aware of the fact that 93% of all black homicides are by black men. (Bureau of Justice Statistics)

If you really want to help fatherless boys like yourself, stop using fear tactics and guilt trips. Help promote legislation like “EQUAL SHARED PARENTING” that helps divorced dads and single dads have more time with their children without paying more child support.

Help get legislation passed to make child support more fair and equal. Fund programs like my former #GoodGuys #GoodGirls Program (killed by ObamaCare) that helped young black youth save sex until marriage, learn their history, learn to respect police, develop work ethic and accomplish their goals.( https://youtu.be/1ZxCe3JXp3M ).

Stop blaming the police and help build better fathers. Stop saying police need more training and train more dads and young black boys on the the rule of law and police protocols.

Remember, there are millions of black and brown boys out here that are not being killed by police. They are alive and doing quite well. How? We obey the law. Comply with police and if the police does something wrong or unethical, they live to fight in court and not the side of the road.

Signed,
Patrick D. Hampton
@The Patrick Perspective
@The Patriot Post

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And "Racial Justice", what is the evidence, of injustice? What's justice? These terms keep getting thrown around with no substantiation. It'd be nice if for instance the news, with all it's talk of equality, would bring evidence of actual inequality that can be addressed.
 
And "Racial Justice", what is the evidence, of injustice? What's justice? These terms keep getting thrown around with no substantiation. It'd be nice if for instance the news, with all it's talk of equality, would bring evidence of actual inequality that can be addressed.

it's not very just when cops don't get arrested for doing things normal people would be arrested for. justice is laws being applied to everyone fairly and equally.
 
examples of this

sure, how about the fact that cops shot Jacob Blake 7 times in the back because they perceived him as dangerous (knife in car) but they gave Kyle Rittenhouse water and let him go home strapped with a huge gun after murdering two people?
 
I’m not sure. That’s anecdotal for one. Also the fact that he surrendered probably earns him credit.

But, I was more considering something science backed. I’ve only ever seen the opposite- Things proving the narrative wrong, or at least providing a tight argument. I’ve never actually seen any weighted evidence presented from the side pushing the narrative.

[MOD-EDIT] Racist comments removed.
 
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huge standoff between maga and blue lives matter vs black lives matter in Portland over the weekend, maga guy got shot later and they still don't know who did it (hearing on news now)

would link but don't have a link yet
 
How many times would this guy have been shot if he were black? Fucking ridiculous.


That happened inside a store, the guy was shoplifting, and even if he was black he would not have been shot.

'European/white privilege' and 'systemic racism' are myths created and spread by racist media, academics, and jealous/envious black American Marxists/leftist extremists.
 
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Mal3 and Priest you are both wrong here.
Some cops just have really shake trigger fingers.
It depends on the cop.
I don't think any cop really thinks "Oh yeah, now I have good opportunity to lynch some negros."

Yeah, in this country, especially in some of these small racist towns, there absolutely are racist police officers. I have known some of them personally, before and during them becoming a police officer, and their beliefs and the racist comments they make are disgusting.
 
Anyways, just looked up some more specific information.
Unarmed whites getting shot vs Unarmed blacks getting shot.
One out of 292,000 arrests for blacks, and one out of 283,000 arrests for whites.
How is this possible if there's such a huge racist bias with the US police?
 
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