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Social Justice Black Lives Matter Discussion Thread

White_Rose said:
Well, mal ...

We're gonna have to agree to disagree.

Fire the bad ones, hire more and actually manage them so they perform their job seems to be a much better solution in my eyes.
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Yeah we need police. But we need to do two things. We need to stop militarizing the police force and training them to react to the population as if they are soldiers in a war zone. And we need to totally rehaul the police culture and vetting process, and retroactively apply those standards to existing police. Police need to be evaluated psychologically on their personalities, and we need to only let in the good ones, the people who are in it to serve and protect and who are not adult bullies looking to use authority to perpetrate violence. And we need to have thorough and adequate training programs, as well as offer mental health services for police (as I'm sure any cop encounters fucked up and traumatic situations sometimes).

But no way should we get rid of the police, that's a terrible idea.
 
Yeah, Xork ...
Fix the problem, aggressively if need be, but don't throw the baby away with the bath water ...
 
Xorkoth said:
Yeah we need police. But we need to do two things. We need to stop militarizing the police force and training them to react to the population as if they are soldiers in a war zone. And we need to totally rehaul the police culture and vetting process, and retroactively apply those standards to existing police. Police need to be evaluated psychologically on their personalities, and we need to only let in the good ones, the people who are in it to serve and protect and who are not adult bullies looking to use authority to perpetrate violence. And we need to have thorough and adequate training programs, as well as offer mental health services for police (as I'm sure any cop encounters fucked up and traumatic situations sometimes).

But no way should we get rid of the police, that's a terrible idea.
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Many Australian police forces significantly improved when the job began to require a 3-year university degree. Cops here at least have a smattering of social science education whereas from afar it look is like a lot of US cops sign-up straight from the Marines and active duty in a war zone.
 
Xorkoth said:
But we need to do two things
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I’d add a third - educate the public. Teach respect, but not blindly, with accountability. Teach acceptance of differences, not as good-bad, but as differences, and find the common ground with your fellow human beings. I think this could go a long ways in a LOT of situations.
 
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We wouldn’t need censorship if everyone was appropriately educated and inculcated with good manners that mean you don’t use language that might offend the company you are in. I’m not saying people are to be protected from offence (impossible given the professional offence takers around these days) but decent people and good citizens go out of their way to avoid upsetting or antagonising their neighbours - who in turn know to give the benefit of the doubt in most circumstances.

We should put a bit more emphasis on our social responsibilities rather than our god given right to be offensive.
 
I am not really sure how that word, "n----r", is actually offensive. Can someone explain to me? I m from Europe and I migrated to US in the 00s and I never understood this. I know black people turned it around as "N----A" to sound more endearing i suppose, but I cannot still grasp, have any understanding of how just a simple word affects people so psychologically deep. Its so unique, and interesting to explore. I wonder what other words can be used as such powerful tool to psyche people's minds
 
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Interesting turn of events I did not predict.

"DEBLASIO DOESN'T CARE ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE" priceless

Around 1:05 cop falls
Apparently basic training did not teach them about viscous liquid and the aforementioned slipperiness. Perhaps they just slam their dick in, no lube or whatever, and had no idea thick viscous liquids could be slippery.

"JESUS MATTERS"

"Why don't you stop her?"

if NYPD can't stop girls with paint thank GOD they have gun control! 😅
How many armed cops does it take to stop paint based vandalism? ...

3:50 trump mask

10/10 will watch again many times over I am sure
 
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Captain.Heroin said:


Interesting turn of events I did not predict.

"DEBLASIO DOESN'T CARE ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE" priceless

Around 1:05 cop falls
Apparently basic training did not teach them about viscous liquid and the aforementioned slipperiness. Perhaps they just slam their dick in, no lube or whatever, and had no idea thick viscous liquids could be slippery.

"JESUS MATTERS"

"Why don't you stop her?"

if NYPD can't stop girls with paint thank GOD they have gun control! 😅
How many armed cops does it take to stop paint based vandalism? ...

3:50 trump mask

10/10 will watch again many times over I am sure
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how did she so easiy throw over a cop? seems ike a theater!
 
allone said:
I am not really sure how that word, nigger, is actually offensive. Can someone explain to me? I m from Europe and I migrated to US in the 00s and I never understood this. I know black people turned it around as NIGGA to sound more endearing i suppose, but I cannot still grasp, have any understanding of how just a simple word affects people so psychologically deep. Its so unique, and interesting to explore. I wonder what other words can be used as such powerful tool to psyche people's minds
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Well, words are indeed just words (or digital pixels, in our case), but the whole purpose of using them is to convey meanings. Thus, any word which has a lot of disparaging, insulting, hateful or negative meanings associated with it is likely to inspire some kind of reaction from the group(s) of people the word targets. Fag/faggot is another one that springs to mind, but there's surely a rather healthy supply to choose from.
 
allone said:
I am not really sure how that word, nigger, is actually offensive. Can someone explain to me? I m from Europe and I migrated to US in the 00s and I never understood this. I know black people turned it around as NIGGA to sound more endearing i suppose, but I cannot still grasp, have any understanding of how just a simple word affects people so psychologically deep. Its so unique, and interesting to explore. I wonder what other words can be used as such powerful tool to psyche people's minds
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Our muscles are only normally able to use a small portion of their strength but during intense adrenaline, we can use our full strength. This is how there have been cases pof mothers with their kids stuck under a flipped car lifting the car up enough for their kids to escape. One time I woke up in a night terror, thinking the window was a giant stone slab coming down to crush me and my girlfriend. I freaked out and tried to hold it up and pushed as hard as I could. The next morning there were deep fingertip indentations in the wood and my arms and fingers hurt so bad.

allone said:
how did she so easiy throw over a cop? seems ike a theater!
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It was used to dehumanize slaves, generations of slaves. And then after slavery officially ended, it was used for ~100 years during segregation to inspire terror and remind people that they were no better than slaves, that they might get hung from a tree by a mob at any time. Then it kept being used to as a hate term, so that the memory of it stayed fresh. That tends to leave a pretty deep impact, wouldn't you think?

The same kinds of things happened because of Europeans to black people, too, but in America it happened in the same place, whereas for Europe, it happened on a different continent so you guys didn't really see it.
 
Portland BLM activist and leader Lillith Sinclair "Our mission is the abolition of the United States as we know it."

 
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Xorkoth said:
Our muscles are only normally able to use a small portion of their strength but during intense adrenaline, we can use our full strength. This is how there have been cases pof mothers with their kids stuck under a flipped car lifting the car up enough for their kids to escape. One time I woke up in a night terror, thinking the window was a giant stone slab coming down to crush me and my girlfriend. I freaked out and tried to hold it up and pushed as hard as I could. The next morning there were deep fingertip indentations in the wood and my arms and fingers hurt so bad.



It was used to dehumanize slaves, generations of slaves. And then after slavery officially ended, it was used for ~100 years during segregation to inspire terror and remind people that they were no better than slaves, that they might get hung from a tree by a mob at any time. Then it kept being used to as a hate term, so that the memory of it stayed fresh. That tends to leave a pretty deep impact, wouldn't you think?

The same kinds of things happened because of Europeans to black people, too, but in America it happened in the same place, whereas for Europe, it happened on a different continent so you guys didn't really see it.
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so maybe in 100 more years it will once again be ok to use it and not mean the bad crap it was so tightly associated for such a long period of time?
i dont get any personal insult out of those and i have been called three of them many times over even though im not any of them, i guess knowing im not those things is what makes those words not offensive at all for me :/
 
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White_Rose said:
Portland BLM activist and leader Lillith Sinclair "Our mission is the abolition of the United States as we know it."

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doesnt every group of protesters want to abolish their country "as they know it" ? All that means is they want to fundamentally make changes to what the country stands for.
 
mal3volent said:
doesnt every group of protesters want to abolish their country "as they know it" ? All that means is they want to fundamentally make changes to what the country stands for.
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Only if those protestors are seeking a revolution

Merriam Webster definition of revolution ...
Revolution :

a : a sudden, radical, or complete change
b : a fundamental change in political organization especially : the overthrow or renunciation of one government or ruler and the substitution of another by the governed
c : activity or movement designed to effect fundamental changes in the socioeconomic situation
 
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allone said:
. i dont get any personal insult out of those and i have been called three of them many times over even though im not any of them, i guess knowing im not those things is what makes those words not offensive at all for me :/
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It’s kind of a mistake and often unproductive to evaluate or approach every other person through the prism of your own character or personality. Often navigating the world is easier if you can empathetically evaluate your own attitudes and behaviour through trying to put yourself in the shoes of the other person. Just cause I don’t think/feel a certain way about something doesn’t negate the ability or even the right of other people to feel the opposite. I’d love to live in a world where everyone was as detached and emotionally resilient as me and no-one got upset, hurt or offended by anything I might say since I never get offended by what they say. But the world is full of people who are more sensitive and have been through more suffering than I can ever begin to understand. It makes sense just to take their word that something I did or said to them is offensive, apologise and make an effort never to do it again. In most cases, behaving like that costs me nothing and reduces the incidence of unhappiness in the world.

I don’t see how the freedom to offend is naturally more important than the freedom not to be gratuitously offended.
 
allone said:
I am not really sure how that word, "n----r", is actually offensive. Can someone explain to me? I m from Europe and I migrated to US in the 00s and I never understood this. I know black people turned it around as "N----A" to sound more endearing i suppose, but I cannot still grasp, have any understanding of how just a simple word affects people so psychologically deep. Its so unique, and interesting to explore. I wonder what other words can be used as such powerful tool to psyche people's minds
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I'm white. I've never been called the n-word (to my recollections), nor have a I used it (for that I am 100% sure). For my generation, the term was known but not used because of the associations it had. There are many words (from other languages, or simply not-invented yet) which have meanings we don't know, and therefore have no negative associations. I could be calling you "a son of a turtle" in Taiwanese, and you may be deeply offended (if it had that connotation to you), but I'm oblivious to it and may even think it a compliment when I speak it to you = ignorance on my part does not mean there isn't offense given or taken from it.

As I was raised, nobody uses that term (n-word) as it is only for hate and speaks all the worse of you for using it. I can't speak it, even to simply define it or explain it's meaning in a benign discussion. Utterance of the term is so abhorrent, I cannot say it out loud, I can't write it. I can hear it in my mind in clinical application, but in a hate filled rage it doesn't even flirt with my vocabulary. I'm saddened when I hear anyone use it, even black speaking to blacks where they seem to have repurposed it to a brotherly term. Even in such a setting where there is no foul intent between blacks, I know if I (as a white) were to try and use it the same with them it would instantly be a slur solely because I am not one of them. For the word to carry such ill intent, even when no ill intent is present, I cannot process it beyond a clinical thought.

allone said:
i guess knowing im not those things is what makes those words not offensive at all for me :/
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My reaction is learned. The meaning the term carries is learned. For those, like yourself, where it hasn't been learned to carry that association, I can understand your inability to grasp the full weight. But here in America, that full weight exists, and has existed for decades. I'm not sure another 100y will strip that term of this meaning, despite any other uses it may gain (ie, between blacks).
 
Captain.Heroin said:
if NYPD can't stop girls with paint thank GOD they have gun control! 😅
How many armed cops does it take to stop paint based vandalism? ...
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First, do you really think the cop wants to stop her? Probably wanted to wait until she was done. As for the slipping in the paint....tell me you're perfect and don't make mistakes.

Second, and this is more of an issue for me, WHY are cities allowing BLM to be painted on the streets, and more importantly why is this protected? It is a political statement, and if given permission and protection, should afford the same to the KKK or any other group. It is a political statement, one that divides. And, one that purports to speak for a portion of society when we see members of that group (this woman as an obvious example) where it does NOT represent that portion of society. I disagree with allowing this vandalism to be sanctioned and protected, as I do not want that door opened for all the other special interest groups to be cast wide open....but if local gov'ts allow it, they MUST allow the others and that isn't happening.
 
White_Rose said:
Only if those protestors are seeking a revolution

Merriam Webster definition of revolution ...
Revolution :

a : a sudden, radical, or complete change
b : a fundamental change in political organization especially : the overthrow or renunciation of one government or ruler and the substitution of another by the governed
c : activity or movement designed to effect fundamental changes in the socioeconomic situation
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I don't get your point...

My point was, anybody with any sort of political agenda at all wants to abolish their country "as they know it". Adding that phrase at the end makes the entire statement basically meaningless. True anarchists and what not want to abolish the state no matter what it stands for, they are against the idea of a state. If you want to abolish it "as we know it", well, what the hell does that even mean?

Seems to me like it's just someone looking to get applause and be edgy, without being too edgy. Generally I'm turned off by anyone who starts off their speech by listing 23 facts about themself ... the hipster glasses don't help, either.
 
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