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Methadonia2010

Methadonia2010

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Do we have black H here, is it a rock heroin?, i noticed people smoke heroin, do they drop a bit on foil light under it and suck it up through a pipe? does powder smoke?, how much do you put on the foil?. Last time i checked it used to be $X a balloon , what's it cost now days?. Does smoking it last long vs Injecting it?. Must say rather smoke it then use a needle yuk :|
 
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No prices dude.

I think iv is longer and stronger as 100% goes into your body. I duno about smoking it, railing it or injesting it but it will be alot lower amounts absorbed into the body

U pretty much answered your own questions. You'll end up iv when smoke no lomger gives u that high
 
^smoking is more or less the highest bioavailability below iv... but it all depends on skill/purity aswell..
But most other methods are longer duration than IV'd

most H should smoke alright on the foil.. unless it aint H
 
^ smoking is the safest method of ingestion if you're worried about overdosing so even though it has a lower BA than snorting or injecting I think it shouldn't be discounted as a route of administration entirely.

Methadonia do you mean black tar heroin (#3)? I think most gear in Aus is #4 (and water soluable) & smokes better with added caffeine?
 
I've never got anything other than #4 white rock heroin in the 5 years I've been purchasing it. I've heard small amount of brown afghan shit gets around, but as for tar, if it's available here at all, it's on a very small scale.

#4 smack smokes alright on foil, make sure it's properly crushed then use about a matchheads size on foil. A small amount is better as it burns quickly and if you've got a big lump you'll waste more when it burns.

Plugging has the highest BA after shooting, upto 99%. I've had some very strong doses this way. As far as I can remember, snorting has a higher BA than smoking, but I do prefer smoking because of the instant hit it gives you. Ingesting it is pretty much pointless.
 
I am not the most experienced heroin user by a long shot but I have used it occassionally for a number of years now and everytime it has come as white rocks except once where it was an offwhite powder I would still describe as #4.

You do get the odd bit of homebake I hear but I don't think this is common at all. The end result of homebake may resemble tar heroin, and it is actually more similar to Black Tar Heroin than #4 South East Asian heroin we see in Australia, by this I mean that is contains more 6 monoacetylmorphine than diacetylmorphine (if any). It is also likely to have a reasonable % of unconverted morphine in the end product.

As far as smoking goes, you can definately smoke Aussie gear but I think it is less ideal than using #2 freebase ( commonly known as 'Afghan' gear) or Black Tar heroin for smoking, as belarki suggested I believe using caffeine as a cut increases how well Aussie gear smokes.

You wont see true Mexican Black Tar heroin in Australia unless it is the result of a very small scale import for personal use amongst a certain circle I would say. I doubt this even happens though because it is so much less desirable than the dope we already have. Tar wreaks havoc on peoples veins and in general is a lot more variable what the shit contains.

For the record however I am pretty sure BTH doesn't qualify as #2 heroin, rather it is heroin acetate, although I have a hard time calling it #4 as it is not exactly a salt.
 
Black tar is basically solely for smoking
it is the heroin version of opium and should be used as such...

And you won't see it in aus
 
^ How do you reach that conclusion? Black Tar Heroin is pretty widely used for injection and it is certainly not "the heroin version of opium" as that would be Kompot. There is much conjecture about how Black Tar Heroin is made and the process would likely vary atleast slightly but the opium is cleaned up, perhaps not to the standard that manufacture of other heroin forms requires, but it is not acetlated opium which was common in parts of Europe a few decades ago and referred to as Kompot.

I mean obviously black tar heroin is HELL on the veins but I don't think it is manufactured with the end users health in mind.

Another thing worth noting about Back Tar Heroin is the fact significant moisture is present in the product means it is much more likely to contain nasty bacteria. I forget the exact stats but I remember reading US West coast (tar) users were significantly more likely to have a heart disease that is usually contracted via injection of the bacteria versus East coast (#4 powder) users.

I don't even have to try tar to tell you that as illicit drugs go it is fucking gnarly shit, some people prefer the high from good tar to good powder but from the reading I have done most heroin users would much prefer the cleaner, and generally purer, powder version.
 
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I like the idea of smoking tar, I'd never put it in my veins though unless some serious filtration took place first.
 
drug_mentor said:
^ How do you reach that conclusion? Black Tar Heroin is pretty widely used for injection and it is certainly not "the heroin version of opium" as that would be Kompot. There is much conjecture about how Black Tar Heroin is made and the process would likely vary atleast slightly but the opium is cleaned up, perhaps not to the standard that manufacture of other heroin forms requires, but it is not acetlated opium which was common in parts of Europe a few decades ago and referred to as Kompot.

I mean obviously black tar heroin is HELL on the veins but I don't think it is manufactured with the end users health in mind.

Another thing worth noting about Back Tar Heroin is the fact significant moisture is present in the product means it is much more likely to contain nasty bacteria. I forget the exact stats but I remember reading US West coast (tar) users were significantly more likely to have a heart disease that is usually contracted via injection of the bacteria versus East coast (#4 powder) users.

I don't even have to try tar to tell you that as illicit drugs go it is fucking gnarly shit, some people prefer the high from good tar to good powder but from the reading I have done most heroin users would much prefer the cleaner, and generally purer, powder version.
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i don't mean a literal conversion of opium to heroin.... i mean it's best used the same way man....


just give it a go i think you'll fid i'm right.
 
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Black tar heroin, which is nasty shit IMO is not used like opium, tar heroin is smoked off foil, by heating from below with indirect heat, the foil blocking the actual flame from touching the tar, opium is best smoked or vaporized in a special opium pipe where direct heat is used at first, then indirect heat keeps the bowl hot enough to keep the opium vaporizing ,which is better than putting a flame directly to it each hit, but regardless of how it's done , tar heroin is either smoked using foil and no flame ever actually touching the tar, or is injected in a nasty looking blackish looking solution I would not even want to drink much less inject. Luckily I get good to very good Colombian #4 powder heroin here in the US, and avoid the tar that is around nearby at all costs..lol..
The reason for caffiene to be mixed with #4 heroin to smoke is that caffeine for some reason makes the amount of heroin smoke/vapor inhaled be more absorbed by the lungs than without caffiene. Therefor you get a higher bioavailability smoking heroin with caffeine added to it, in other words for each hit you take of heroin with caffeine, you get more heroin into your blood than without the caffeine..
 
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i don't mean a literal conversion of opium to heroin.... i mean it's best used the same way man....


just give it a go i think you'll fid i'm right.
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I really don't think your right, I mean it is probably possible to smoke BTH in a similar way to opium and get some effect but it is generally smoked off of foil in a manner similar to other forms of heroin. Given this methods prevalence one would assume it is a more effective way of smoking than using an opium pipe, I have certainly never heard of anyone smoking tar through one.
 
What the hell do you mean by "it is the heroin version of opium and should be used as such" then you say its used in the same way as opium, which would be an opium pipe would it not? Unless you were just hinting at the fact they are both smokable, in which case I am not certain what your point would be since ALL heroin is smokeable.

I am not trying to attack you here mate, I am just correcting something you said which I regard as incorrect, and you seem to be struggling to offer any meaningful clarification on what you originally meant.
 
drug_mentor said:
What the hell do you mean by "it is the heroin version of opium and should be used as such" then you say its used in the same way as opium, which would be an opium pipe would it not? Unless you were just hinting at the fact they are both smokable, in which case I am not certain what your point would be since ALL heroin is smokeable.

I am not trying to attack you here mate, I am just correcting something you said which I regard as incorrect, and you seem to be struggling to offer any meaningful clarification on what you originally meant.
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the point was too not inject the bth

@mrblonde, that applies too H as well as opium, too say that there is any quantifiable difference in properties between their smoking behaviour besides cutters is fucking dumb:p
 
^ I don't see how not injecting it makes it the "heroin version of opium" but whatever.

There is a pretty reasonable difference between chasing the dragon off foil and smoking opium through a pipe dude, to say otherwise is just ignorant. Perhaps it is only the cutters that make the most difference (although I am not neccessarily convinced that is true) but even that being the case it is silly to suggest there isn't a huge practical difference in how one would smoke opium compared to heroin.
 
^ lol I did that once, tasted like shit and did nothing noticeable except for burn the crap out of it and probably wasted it.
 
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