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Kurt The Jurk

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I am making this thread to see if there is any interest in doing a production contest. My idea was just to have a general theme so people who are interested in deffent genres could all submit. Anyone interested just reply, and give ideas for themes, or other guidlines we might need. I think this could be fun, and get more people interested in checking out the work all of the Producers on this board are doing.
 
I had been thinking something similar. On another board I'm on, undergroundhiphop.com, we have been putting together a CD of tracks all from UGHH board members. We all submitted and then we are voting on the tracks, the best get on it. Maybe we could do both, have a contest and then do a CD with like First through fourth place on it or something . . . either way, I'm down.
 
with so many different styles represented by BL members, from hiphop to tech to psy to trance to breaks to dnb to rock, i guess we could try to have genre-specific categories as well as overall thematic categories - like 'best groove', 'smoothest production', 'filthiest bassline' etc. :) i would be interested!
 
I'll judge if needs be...I have a quick connection so d/loading is no problem. I think it should be genre specific - perhaps by BPM rather than style? What about 4 categories: >115 BPM (typically all hip hop) 115>135 (house) 135>150 ( hard house, techno, trance) <150 (gabba, dnb, etc)
I think this would be an easy way of setting it up - then it's not specific to genre, but tempo typically defines genre too.
 
im down to put some of my mixes in there...it doesnt really fit into any genre...i just call it "head bending psychedelic insanity"
 
3rd.space said:
I'll judge if needs be...I have a quick connection so d/loading is no problem. I think it should be genre specific - perhaps by BPM rather than style? What about 4 categories: >115 BPM (typically all hip hop) 115>135 (house) 135>150 ( hard house, techno, trance) <150 (gabba, dnb, etc)
I think this would be an easy way of setting it up - then it's not specific to genre, but tempo typically defines genre too.

i don't think that's a good idea...

what makes a trance record "good" might not be the
same as a techno record... so there'd be no way of
"judging" which one was the best...

I think it has to remain genre specific..

but then you could have a best-overall catagory
between all of the winners of the individual genres.

so, say youhave the hip hop winner and the house winner
and the trance winner and the techno winner... of all the
winners, one could win the best overall "no-prize"*

*stolen without permission from Marvel Comics...thanks, Stan!

;)
 
Isn't the whole point of judging to be able to judge each entry on it's own merit and not comparing them to others?

I mean if you judged like that it would be like saying "I'm judging this, and because I don't personally like the trance I think it's crap!" Having it set up as a BPM thing would just bracket certain genres together, to avoid having say 15 different categories out there..."what category should my track be in? It's a deep techy break track at 127bpm"
If you look at my post you'll see that in essence my idea is the same as grouping by genre, but each BPM group would cover all genres at that tempo. Hip hop isn't the only genre that has a slow tempo after all, so the slow BPM group would cover all down tempo material. Each group should have it's prize too and I never suggested to judge one group against the other. I think it will just make the contest easier to judge. Also remember judging has to be about technical merit and not personal taste.
 
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I'm down........ And I think Judging has to be about feeling in a record, not teck shit and BPM' s because when it comes down to it you just have to feel it. Peace, Spinal
 
I like the 3rd's idea about breaking apart bpm ranges - a simple way to place submissions into categories.

everyone in the contest submits their rendition of [insert random theme here] in whatever genre they choose

the judges score in two categories, one score for pure technical ability, one score for the heart and soul of the production. Average the two for the final score.

the highest score in each bmp range gets a "best of" merit badge and whoever really captures the theme best gets the "overall winner" braggin rights.

just my .02
 
count me in....jungle (old school), ambient new school, breaks...tchn0

is there catagories and deadline?
 
3rd.space said:
Isn't the whole point of judging to be able to judge each entry on it's own merit and not comparing them to others?

[snip]

Also remember judging has to be about technical merit and not personal taste.

i highly doubt 90% of people can separate the two...

and i know that most people aren't versed enough within each
genre to determine what is technically "of merit" within a certain
genre...

i don't know what it takes to be a good quality trance record...

i know what i like... but you wouldn't want to go by what is
appealing to my ears, for instance, b-c sometimes a really
bad song appeals to me even tho' it may be poorly
produced, suck, and just outright is bad... the old addage
"there's no accounting for taste" rings true.

i would only trust a trance judgement from other trance heads.

i would only trust a techno judgement form other tech heads

i would only trust downtempo judgement from downtempo heads.

i do suggest that, in all fairness, if you were to do this, that you
separate them into their genres... what makes a good track
is different for every genre... and i'll go so far as to say i doubt
anyone here on bluelight is knowledgeable in every genre needed
to know what is technically a good record for each and every genre.
 
The problem with breaking it down by genre is that people are going to be going "it's not house, it's progressive tech-house" and there's gonna have to be 50 thousand micro genres to fit everything in.
Unless the breakdown is simple, it's not gonna work.
I propose the following breakdown:
House (including progressive, disco, hard etc)
Techno (including trance, gabba, electro etc)
Breaks (including Hip-hop, DnB)
Non-electronic (everything that is primarily 'traditional' instruments)
 
nowonmai said:

Breaks (including Hip-hop, DnB)

If we are going to do it this way, fine, but in no way should we have downtempo, hip hop, breakbeat and jungle/DnB in the same genre. No way. Maybe breaks with jungle/DnB and hip hop with downtempo/trip hop but not all of them in one. No way.
 
nowonmai said:
The problem with breaking it down by genre is that people are going to be going "it's not house, it's progressive tech-house" and there's gonna have to be 50 thousand micro genres to fit everything in.
Unless the breakdown is simple, it's not gonna work.
I propose the following breakdown:
House (including progressive, disco, hard etc)
Techno (including trance, gabba, electro etc)
Breaks (including Hip-hop, DnB)
Non-electronic (everything that is primarily 'traditional' instruments)

why would you include trance with techno?

the genres should be some thing like this:

house
techno
trance
breaks
downtempo
jungle
hip-hop
non-edm

there are too many sub-genres in techno and trance
to throw them together... same with breaks and
hip hop and downtempo... same with breaks and
jungle...

that's manageable... 8 catagories...
and it allows for room to breathe
with all the sub-genres.... but techno,
trance, jungle, and breaks are far too
involved to have them grouped together.


and as far as the sub sub sub sub genres...?

basically, rule of thumb should be "it goes in
the catagory of the last label in the list"

so if someone says "hey, this isn't house, this
is micro-tech-break-progressive house...." then
you just call it house since it's the last in the
list...

if they say "it's not trance, it's tech-trance..."
it stays in trance, b-c of the last indicator...

so forth and so on.
 
Negative said:
If we are going to do it this way, fine, but in no way should we have downtempo, hip hop, breakbeat and jungle/DnB in the same genre. No way. Maybe breaks with jungle/DnB and hip hop with downtempo/trip hop but not all of them in one. No way.

agreed.
 
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