• ✍️ WORDS ✍️

    Welcome Guest!

  • Words Moderators: Shambles

BL Book Club?

pennywise

Bluelighter
Joined
Apr 6, 2005
Messages
5,207
I know that there are some people here who like to read quite a bit. Would anyone be interested in a book club here on BL, where we select a book and people get it at the library or buy it in paperback or whatever, and then we discuss it when we finish reading?

It could be fiction, nonfiction, whatever. I was thinking about looking to see if I could find some sort of book club assistance book or website with discussion topics and stuff about certain books, that could also maybe recommend some books that are good for this sort of thing.

We could vote on which book we want to choose, and deadlines for completing the book could be really loose, because people could just comment on certain parts as they finish them, or comment on the book as a whole whenever they finish it. It's not like everyone would have to finish at the same time, because we wouldn't have to all meet and be able to discuss it at one time. People can just post in the thread at their leisure. It would be better than an actual book club because of this, as I know a lot of people out there have work/school deadlines they have to meet.

I read all the time, so I think it would be a cool way to make books even more exciting, and also a way to get exposed to some really cool books.

I know this might be the province of words, but no one started it there, and I need to do it here so that I can make the polls and whatnot. If you words mods feel like I am stepping on your toes or whatever, let me know, and I'll defer to you guys if you want.

If you like this idea, and think that you might like to participate, drop a post in here. Include any ideas or comments or book suggestions or whatever as well.

I hope we can get this going. :)
 
This sounds like a great idea. I'd definatly participate. I'm always looking for new things to read. I wouldnt be able to get too involved until school ends (as I'm sure will be the same for a lot of people) however, luckily theres only like 6 weeks left until summer, when I'll be looking for things to do anyway.

"I support the idea of a book thread and would participate in it" in the words of the art forum discussion :p :)

I have some suggestions in mind already, and I would love to see what other people suggest!
 
like others have said, i think its a fantastic idea and i would love to participate once i am out of school (end of april).
 
Hey Pennywise this is a great idea and I would love to join in. I'll post a link to this thread in the Aus Social 'what are you reading?' thread to see if we can generate even more interest.
 
Great! Anyone want to make any suggestions of what the first book should be?

Also, does anyone know of anywhere where I can find a guide that might suggest good books for this type of thing, and that has topics or questions for discussion? You know, sort of like a book club blueprint?

We can collect a bunch of selections, and then vote on them, and the winner would be the first book. After that we can wait a while and in a few weeks check to see where everyone is, and then from there decide when we will start discussion on the book.

How does that sound?

Oh, and that's awesome that so many people want to participate. I think it could be really fun. Well, fun if you consider reading and talking about books to be fun, which I do. ;) :D

edit: I'll hold off on my own suggestions, because I want to see what other people are into first, and I might want to choose one that comes from a "book club guide" like I described above if we can find one.
 
Good suggestion. I know a lot of BL'ers read him. I recently read Rant, and it was damn good.
 
i don't think a guide is really needed, unless you want it to seem like school work. i enjoy informal book clubs where people read the same book and discuss anything they think about it, regardless of how absurd or inane. similar to how movies are discussed in F&T.

animal farm by george orwell is my suggestion. its a rather short, easy read and available online.

google books, project gutenberg and various online libraries off lots of free texts.
 
Last edited:
I think most people already read Animal Farm in high school. Classic though.

My suggestion is Written on the Body by Jeanette Winterson.

Library Journal sums it up better than me:

Like Andre Breton's dizzying poem, "Ma Femme a la chevelure de feu de bois" ("my woman with her belly like the unfolding fan of days/... My woman with her swan's back buttocks"), the narrator of Winterson's ( Sexing the Cherry , LJ 2/15/90) new novel relentlessly celebrates the beauty of a beloved woman's body--but the trick here is that we do not know whether the narrator is a man or a woman. The story is minimal and not altogether original: a corrusive sensualist experiences many women but finally becomes obsessed with one, stealing her from her husband, only to discover that she has been guarding a terrible secret: **********. The fascination is the lush, plush language and the way two aspects of the physical--passion and bodily decay--are delicately interwoven.
- Barbara Hoffert, "Library Journal"

I edited out the secret. Why would anyone want a spoiler?

Pros: relatively short (192 pgs), not a challenging read, page-turner, concepts not above anyone's head, a novel, readily available

Cons: I can't think of any.
 
animal_cookie said:
i don't think a guide is really needed, unless you want it to seem like school work. i enjoy informal book clubs where people read the same book and discuss anything they think about it, regardless of how absurd or inane. similar to how movies are discussed in F&T.

animal farm by george orwell is my suggestion. its a rather short, easy read and available online.

Nah, I don't want it to seem like school work, but it might help to have some specific questions to base the discussion on that some thought has been put into creating, so it doesn't just stay on the level of "I liked it" and "I didn't like it."

It's not like you have to submit a double spaced response of at least 4 pages detailing the thematic elements relating to blahblahblah...

None of it would be required or anything, but if you saw a question that you thought would make an interesting topic for discussion, you could respond to it, and if others so chose, they could reply to your response, or offer a response of their own to the same question.

For instance, I found a "reading guide" for a Palahniuk book called "Diary" (which, incidentally, I have also read). I'll post it below. It's just an example of some of the tacts one could take in generating discussion of the book. Like I said, none of it would be a requirement or anything, just an optional aide. Apparently, publishers put out these things. At least part of them is available online for some titles. Maybe it would be best not to base the choice of the book or discussion around these sorts or things, but just to think about checking them out and using them if they exist. I think that once we decide on a title, I'll search around and see what I can come up with, and then link to them for people to check out and see if they feel like using them in any way.

Check out the one I have posted below, just as an example. Some of the questions obviously kinda suck, but some of them like question #9, for example, could be helpful. It could be a springboard into a discussion of Palahniuk's treatment of art, and what his book implies about the nature of art and the art world, which I think would be a pretty cool topic for discussion. Anyway, have a look :



Source

ABOUT THIS BOOK

Diary is the eerie tale told by Misty Marie Wilmot, a waitress in a hotel, as her husband lies in a coma after a suicide attempt. Once she was an art student dreaming of creativity and freedom, but she hasn’t painted in years. With Peter in a hospital and his family’s fortune gone, Misty has to support her daughter and mother-in-law as she waits on tourists who visit the quaint but ruined Waytansea Island, where the Wilmot family has a two-hundred-year-old history. Two brilliant women painters, Maura Kincaid and Constance Burton, have also lived on the island and both died in mysterious circumstances long before Misty came to live there.

When Misty starts getting calls from people who say that rooms are missing in houses Peter has remodeled, things get more and more bizarre. It seems that before his suicide attempt, Peter had been walling off rooms in houses and spray-painting messages across their walls–messages like, “Set foot on the island and you will die” [p. 16]. Misty soon finds herself under the control of Peter’s innocuous-seeming mother and the family doctor, who have isolated her in a room in the hotel and forced her to replace her daily alcohol habit with some strange green pills. Locked up, blindfolded, with her leg in a cast, Misty is now painting as if her life depended on it–painting the best work of her life.

But Misty is being shadowed by a policeman from the mainland who is investigating the murder of Angel Delaporte, a photographer who took an interest in Peter’s hidden rooms. Meanwhile, Misty’s daughter Tabitha mysteriously drowns, and idyllic Waytansea Island is turning out to be full of bizarre legends and unreal visions that Misty is beginning to believe have something to do with her.

Diary is a dark, hilarious, and poignant act of storytelling from America’s favorite, most inventive nihilist.
Reader's Guide

1. The opening pages of the novel present a bewildering situation for the reader with their use of the narrating voice. Who is “you”? How soon do we learn who is speaking (or writing), and who is being spoken to? What is the effect of this confusion, and why might Palahniuk have chosen to begin this way? What are the characteristics of Misty’s diary style?

2. Misty grew up in a trailer park where “she never knew her dad, and maybe her mom worked two jobs. One at a shitty fiberglass insulation factory, one slopping food in a hospital cafeteria. Of course, this kid dreams of a place like this island, where nobody works except to keep house and pick wild blueberries and beachcomb” [p. 9]. Why does she poke fun at her own background and her dreams of a perfect place like the island?

3. As she works in the Wood and Gold Dining Room, Misty calls herself “queen of the slaves” [p. 17] and is disgusted by the rich summer people who have destroyed the island. When she sees a message written on the underside of table six—“Don’t let them trick you again” [p. 22]—she doesn’t understand what it means. How do the book’s early chapters create suspense, and how do they create a sense of empathy for Misty?

4. What details contribute to the reader’s perception of Peter’s mother? Why is she both laughable and sinister?

5. Misty tells herself after marrying Peter, “It wasn’t a career as an artist that she wanted. What she really wanted, all along, was the house, the family, the peace” [p. 13]. Does the novel suggest that Misty has been sucked into a role of feminine domesticity at the expense of her desire to be an artist? Or does it suggest that there was never any other destiny available to Misty than to be the chosen vehicle for the island’s salvation?

6. Diary is full of scrawled messages and urgent attempts to communicate. Some are left by Peter Wilmot, some by Maura Kincaid, and some by Constance Burton. Why are these messages so difficult to understand? Why did Peter leave his messages in sealed rooms? Does Misty lack the knowledge essential to interpreting them? How does she figure out what is going on, and how does her understanding influence her actions?

7. How has Peter described Misty’s body? How does Misty describe her own body? Why is her physicality important to the story, and why does Palahniuk use such unflinching details about bodies and their functions? What do these details contribute to the atmosphere of the novel?

8. Why does Misty allow her drinking habit to be replaced by the little green pills, even when they give her terrible headaches? How might she have resisted the doctor and her mother-in-law?

9. With Misty’s descriptions of the work that was considered cool in art school, is Palahniuk delivering a critique of contemporary ideas about edgy, ironic art [pp. 75–76, 79–80]? Is he suggesting that art like Misty’s, which is a direct expression of her own desire, is of greater value? Or is he also criticizing the art of the idealized landscape and the perfect world–“the wish list of a white trash girl; big houses, church weddings, picnics on the beach”—as being trite?

10. Who is staging the “reality” that Misty is experiencing? What is being staged, and what is she imagining? Is there any way to explain the events that take place in this story? Is the world of the novel meant to comment on reality? If so, how?

11. Does Misty love Peter? How hurt is she by what she has found out about his true feelings for her and by the fact that he was simply using her to save the island? How interesting is it that Peter is gay and has been pretending to be straight in order to do his parents’ bidding?

12. Is Misty, in the end, heroic in her attempts to stop the violence on the island and save her daughter? Or is she too passive, allowing herself simply to be used by Peter’s parents? To what degree is Peter also a disposable element in his parents’ plot?

13. Peter’s father Harrow tells Misty how she fits into the island legend: “She’s doomed to fame. Cursed with talent. Life after life. She’s been Giotto di Bondone, then Michelangelo, then Jan Vermeer. . . . She has always been an artist. She will always be an artist” [p. 242]. What do the events related on pages 242–45 reveal about Misty’s identity, and does Misty herself accept these statements?

14. On page 257 we’re told that Tabbi is “hugging the ashes of Grace and Harrow.” Why do Peter’s parents die in the fire? Are they really dead?

15. How does Misty react when she learns of Tabitha’s role in the hotel fire? How surprising are the final few pages of the novel, and which revelations are most shocking?

16. How does Misty hope to change the future by sending her diary to Chuck Palahniuk [p. 261]?

17. A reviewer for Newsday wrote, “Palahniuk is one of the freshest, most intriguing voices to appear in a long time.” Which aspects of his style or voice contribute to this sense of his uniqueness?

18. If you have read any of Chuck Palahniuk’s previous novels, how does Diary compare to them? What concerns, obsessions, or themes of the author are continued or revisited here?
SUGGESTED READING

Thomas Harris, The Silence of the Lambs; Patricia Highsmith, The Talented Mr. Ripley; Kay Redfield Jamison, Touched with Fire: Manic-Depressive Illness and the Artistic Temperament; Stephen King, Carrie and The Shining; Ira Levin, Rosemary’s Baby; Terrence McNally, The Stendhal Syndrome: Two Plays; Jacqueline Susann, The Valley of the Dolls; Jim Crace, Being Dead; Richard Price, Clockers; Bram Stoker, Dracula; Jim Thompson, The Killer Inside Me.
 
^i also figured most people have read animal farm at some point, so the discussion could begin relatively quickly and it would be a good way to test the waters.

BLers aren't always known for following thru on things that involve effort :p

edit: that was for amorroak.

for pennywise: i see what you mean now. i was imagining you posting a question from a guide, and everyone answering that question. and then another question and so on. that reminds me of how we discussed books in high school and it was always rather boring. using it as a starting point/guide is a good idea.
 
That's a good point. I just wouldn't want to participate because it isn't new and I'd probably find it boring (I say this after suggesting a book I've already read ;)). Just me though. I have no clue what everyone else thinks.
 
Top