Lately, it has been on my mind that LSD causes latent unexposed schizophrenia to surface. I have an uncle who is a paranoid schitz because of LSD. But, I have always wondered if it was actually the other way around. There might be something inside of people with bizarre behaviors that attracts them to hallucinogenic drugs. I have never been schitz before, but I know the symptoms very well and have spent considerable time with my uncle. One big thing to note is that Schitz hallucinations tend to be purely auditory, where as LSD's hallucinations are visual, but also some auditory. I feel that there may be something to this argument that people who are programmed or have the gene to have a mental disorder (mainly schitz and other "bizarre" disorders) are simply attracted to bizarre drugs. Maybe the brain has an unconscious desire for those hallucinations, and when particular people try them, the brain says "this is how it's supposed to be". So my argument is that LSD does not cause schitz, the brain does, and the brain has this motivation to make the process quicker. And also that the brain enjoys the "psychotic" state of LSD, because that's how it's programmed and therefore that's where it feels most comfortable and content.
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Bizarre Behavior caused by LSD or vice versa
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PROZ4C
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LSD can trigger schizophrenia in those predisposed to it.
Some people get mind fucked so hard by a trip that they form all kinds of beliefs and connections within the LSD head-space that they carry on after the trip, rather than being able to discern reality from imagination post trip for a successful landing and re-integration.
The most important part of any trip is the landing.
Very sad actually.
Part of me thinks it has as much to do with personality rather than any chemical reactions going on (a psychological disorder, not a purely physical one)... As I have had that happen to me back when I was younger, less grounded mentally, and not exactly happy with my life at the time.
OR I have seen it happen ALOT to people who have latent unresolved trauma or simply hate their life, its like they are extra vulnerable to getting lost in fantasy land since going back to a painful reality hurts them, even if subconsciously?
Yet tripping can also cure many people from trauma or past issues, so it goes both ways I think...
I love LSD, but for me it took a while to figure out how to do it right and not get caught up. LSD is quite a double-edged sword. Has brought me troubles in the beginning but ultimately brought so much good and still does.
Some people get mind fucked so hard by a trip that they form all kinds of beliefs and connections within the LSD head-space that they carry on after the trip, rather than being able to discern reality from imagination post trip for a successful landing and re-integration.
The most important part of any trip is the landing.
Very sad actually.
Part of me thinks it has as much to do with personality rather than any chemical reactions going on (a psychological disorder, not a purely physical one)... As I have had that happen to me back when I was younger, less grounded mentally, and not exactly happy with my life at the time.
OR I have seen it happen ALOT to people who have latent unresolved trauma or simply hate their life, its like they are extra vulnerable to getting lost in fantasy land since going back to a painful reality hurts them, even if subconsciously?
Yet tripping can also cure many people from trauma or past issues, so it goes both ways I think...
I love LSD, but for me it took a while to figure out how to do it right and not get caught up. LSD is quite a double-edged sword. Has brought me troubles in the beginning but ultimately brought so much good and still does.
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I think that's a really interesting idea but I don't necessarily think that's true. I'd say set and setting are far more important, as well as the people you are with. Having a positive head space before embarking is also a must. The "landing" is probably important if you're talking about HEROIC doses, but for the average LSD trip it is probably just considered the come down.
B9
Bluelight Crew
I love the reverse title - LSD caused by Bizarre Behaviour :D wonderful, I don't think you exactly meant that from reading your post but when it suits me I like to be literal.
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PROZ4C
Bluelighter
Good point.
"I have seen it happen ALOT to people who have latent unresolved trauma or simply hate their life, its like they are extra vulnerable to getting lost in fantasy land since going back to a painful reality hurts them, even if subconsciously?
Yet tripping can also cure many people from trauma or past issues, so it goes both ways I think..."
Exactly. Going back to reality is painful in this instance, very good point about it being subconscious too. It's sad what can happen sometimes. I personally always feel a relief of depression for weeks following, like everything is reset and all is right with my internal and external world.
For example Im in the midst of something wonderful right now actually
, it's 3:25 a. m., waiting for the sunrise in a few hours, a huge bowl of some no name shit that's so delicious, then class later this morning. Oh everything is so fucking wonderful. So yes, it goes both ways, I guess it depends on the person...
Any other comments on the theory that bizarre behavior causes LSD?
Yet tripping can also cure many people from trauma or past issues, so it goes both ways I think..."
Exactly. Going back to reality is painful in this instance, very good point about it being subconscious too. It's sad what can happen sometimes. I personally always feel a relief of depression for weeks following, like everything is reset and all is right with my internal and external world.
For example Im in the midst of something wonderful right now actually
, it's 3:25 a. m., waiting for the sunrise in a few hours, a huge bowl of some no name shit that's so delicious, then class later this morning. Oh everything is so fucking wonderful. So yes, it goes both ways, I guess it depends on the person... Any other comments on the theory that bizarre behavior causes LSD?
Let's test it. I'm going to run naked around my garden whilst whooping like a monkey. If any LSD appears, I'll be sure to let you know. Wish me luck.
The theory that those predisposed to mental illness are more likely to be users of psychedelics? Could hold some water. Correlation is not cause. How do we test it though? Cannabis is far more widely used, and there's still back-and-forth between those who think that weed causes schizophrenia, and those who think that schizophrenics are more likely to smoke. Are they mutually exclusive? Is it a vicious circle? Is there any point to all these speculative rhetorical questions?
thomas2laylum
Bluelighter
i think is that humans are naturally quite irrational
what one thinks is totally normal another may think is strange
what one thinks is totally normal another may think is strange
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artic
Bluelighter
I think that at most music festivals bizarre behavior will, without a doubt, cause LSD to appear. I don't think that your garden will work very well, though. I guess it depends on who your neighbors are.
On topic: I have been a long time supporter of the theory that the correlation between drug use and schizophrenia onset is caused by the coincidental fact that most people start using drugs around the same time that schizophrenia tends to appear: from the mid-teens to late twenties.
I would have to agree with you. If you look like you're having some fun, you will no doubt attract other people already having fun or looking to have fun.
Perhaps. But seeing as the schizophrenia rate has remained constant (or even fell slightly) over the last 100 years no-one has got schizophrenia who wouldn't have developed it anyway if they'd never taken LSD.
If LSD was causing people to develop schizophrenia who wouldn't have developed it anyway you would have seen an enormous spike in schizophrenia rates since the 50's.
Dondante
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^True. We never did see a huge spike in schizophrenia after the advent of LSD. I'm not sure that the same holds true for brief psychotic disorder though.
LSD Lover, I think you bring up some good points. But first of all, I think it's most likely that, in general, people who casually disregard societal norms and the law in favor of seeking novel experiences (i.e. psychedelics) are, as a group, more predisposed to mental illness. More eccentric or bizarre types may be attracted to psychedelic drugs, which are clearly taboo in western culture. This may be a vast over-generalization, but it seems that many who chose to pursue use of psychedelics often have a disregard toward rules of conduct in society. So I'd say that the self-selection that occurs among those who choose to experiment with powerful psychedelics narrows the range a bit and perhaps marginally increases the likelihood of mental illness.
This, I agree with.
This, on the other hand, I do not agree with. Ask just about any actively psychotic individual and he or she will tell you that their brain is anything but comfortable and content. Virtually no one is genetically destined for psychosis. It's a result of genetic vulnerability and environmental triggers, particularly traumatic experiences. Unfortunately, a really terrible LSD trip can be every bit as traumatic as being abused/neglected as a child, or as traumatic as losing a job or a loved one.
So one side of the story is that I think there is some self-selection of people who are more individualistic, but also perhaps more deviant, and therefore slightly more predisposed to mental illness. And the other side is that a heavy psychedelic experience can be incredibly traumatic, or as psood0nym once so eloquently put it: "These experiences are like being struck by psychological lightning, they may charge your life with their power, or leave it faded from the intensity of their light."
LSD Lover, I think you bring up some good points. But first of all, I think it's most likely that, in general, people who casually disregard societal norms and the law in favor of seeking novel experiences (i.e. psychedelics) are, as a group, more predisposed to mental illness. More eccentric or bizarre types may be attracted to psychedelic drugs, which are clearly taboo in western culture. This may be a vast over-generalization, but it seems that many who chose to pursue use of psychedelics often have a disregard toward rules of conduct in society. So I'd say that the self-selection that occurs among those who choose to experiment with powerful psychedelics narrows the range a bit and perhaps marginally increases the likelihood of mental illness.
LSD Lover said:
This, I agree with.
LSD Lover said:
This, on the other hand, I do not agree with. Ask just about any actively psychotic individual and he or she will tell you that their brain is anything but comfortable and content. Virtually no one is genetically destined for psychosis. It's a result of genetic vulnerability and environmental triggers, particularly traumatic experiences. Unfortunately, a really terrible LSD trip can be every bit as traumatic as being abused/neglected as a child, or as traumatic as losing a job or a loved one.
So one side of the story is that I think there is some self-selection of people who are more individualistic, but also perhaps more deviant, and therefore slightly more predisposed to mental illness. And the other side is that a heavy psychedelic experience can be incredibly traumatic, or as psood0nym once so eloquently put it: "These experiences are like being struck by psychological lightning, they may charge your life with their power, or leave it faded from the intensity of their light."
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SpinOutOfControl
Bluelighter
Eating lots will make anyone strange.
SpinOutOfControl
Bluelighter
This is pretty much perfect man.