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bipolar and relationships!

L O V E L I F E said:
Cheez Ballz:

First of all, congrats on winning the race to register that hilarious screen name.

I'm kicking myself for not beating you to the punch.

Second, Michelangelo just called me from the grave:

Apparently, he wants ME to re-paint the Sistine Chapel!

As such, I was wondering if I could borrow that broad brush you've been using.

I figured I would just paint it all black and white instead of taking the time to do the job the right way.

anyone ever tell this guy that cheez balls and bi-polar dont go together...
 
something i find hillarious...

Why is it that 'most' bipolar chicks seem to be promiscuous?

every chick i've ever met with bipolar is promiscuous... Can anyone answer that? without a lame ass "they wanna be loved" excuse
 
Manic cycles in bipolar disorder cause huge amounts of bad sexual tendencies. One of the classical symptoms of a manic episode is rash and promiscuous sexual behavior. And wanting the attention and positive feelings is a huge factor in it. It's really not a "lame" excuse. Trust me, it's hard to combat sometimes.
 
some may call it "bi-polar", some call it plain old "severe lack of discipline".

i tend to think that its the latter.

more than likely going by what they have been shown as children.

but of course, this is not always the case.

there are so many things that you could factor in, its impossible to know what the exact cause is, even if there is such a disease.

i would lean towards it being more psychological than psychiatric.
 
some may call it "bi-polar", some call it plain old "severe lack of discipline".

Some may call people with the latter opinion 'ignorant' and others may call them 'callous'.

Calling it plain 'lack of discipline' is up there with calling people with clinical depression 'self pituing malingerers'. While I'll be the first to agree that some undisciplined people might use it as an excuse, bipolar illness/manic depression is most certainly a real illness caused by an underlying phsyiological/metabolic dysfunction.

It runs in my family, although the last person to have it anywhere near seriosly was my paternal grandmother. You could argue that it's a product of learned behaviour, but most of the time, my dad is mr self discipline himself. He was a sgt in the Army for 10 years and used to give me lectures about self-discipline all the time when I was a kid; yet he would have moments where he'd not be following his methodically laid out plans and acting 'out of character'. After such a happening he'd be shocked that he would behave that way (he's still prone to the odd 2-4 weeks of being uncharacteristically enthusiastic or morose, but it's calmed down a bit from when I was a kid).

Now me, I'll admit I'm a lazy bastard, but even during times when I'm deeply involved in what I'm doing, I can still have episodes where I start trying to do far too many things at once so that nothing gets done. Add together the way my dad's behaviour can change and the fact that I have other relatives that show the same signs and it's a pretty convincing case for a genetic factor at play (and an illness that is hereditry is anything but psychosomatic in origin)
 
Hah, i myself have no problem with promiscuous girls :p... infact - bipolar promiscuous girls would be the best lays i've ever had ;) but only later for them to tell me - hey did u know i have bi-polar, or for them to be diagnosed months later.

I have had a lot of female friends who have bipolar, the issue doesnt seem common among guys? whats the deal there?
 
Men's manic episodes manifest very differently from women's in a lot of cases. Couldn't tell you why, but i've always noticed that too.
 
My current love affair is bi-polar. I don't give a shit. I can put up with anything and everything this beautiful girl has to shell out as long as it means being with her. I am falling in love but I don't know if I could ever get her to be mine. We shall see...
 
its all good for me. bi-polar just doesnt exist in my universe.

unfortunatly, girls who behave badly one minute and are sweet angels the next do though...;)

there seems to be lots of "common threads" in bi-polar diagnosis`. vary rarely does it seem to come out of the blue or in people that have live idealic lives.

there have been people from the same family bought up under the same conditions and turned out completly differantly.

the best thing for my depression was to get a look at just how tough someone else has it, something i already knew anyway. confirmation, though, or experience of it, is the only way to really move forward with your own battle.

i think its all in the way that you look at things. for example, now, instead of thinking how horrible childhood was, i now revell in the fact that i got by it. i had to have been one tough cookie as a kid, when at the time i though that i was as weak as piss.

no way any medication can help you figure that out.

eastern philosophy has helped a lot though.
 
there maybe one reason there are more females diagnosed b/p disorder than men...

thats because when its men, they just call it "men behaving badly" or "being arrogant" or being "wankers", or, and i like this one "not being in touch with their inner self"

without sounding sexist, of course...
 
^Actually, it's because women just happen to have higher rates of most mental disorders. We can't help that we're all a little crazy ;)

edit: I should make clear that bipolar disorder doesn't seem to have a gender bias in terms of prevalence, but women are diagnosed more often with mental illnesses in general. Sorry, just being pedantic, I can't help it :D
 
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just knowing the differance with manipulitave behaviour and genuine difficulties is the main thing.

if the girl is genuine and you know what love is, well it shouldnt be a problem.

seems like sometimes, these days especially, people arent so ready to "work"at their relationships.:\
 
Originally posted by zaineaol.nu
I have had a lot of female friends who have bipolar, the issue doesnt seem common among guys? whats the deal there?

There's no gender bias with bipolar I, but bipolar II is more common in women. They differ in that bipolar I involves full-blown manic episodes, while people with bipolar II experience hypomania instead (a less severe form of mania, basically).

Bipolar II is the more common form. I don't know how much more common it is in women (I'm guessing probably not much), but kitty's right, unfortunately - women do get diagnosed with mental ilnesses more often in general. Although, this doesn't necessarily mean women are crazier (;)), because women also tend to seek help from mental health services more readily than men.
 
^ Yeah, it's got to do with machismo & other assorted bullshit in that men are made to think that seeking help is a sign of weakness (which is to be avoided unless you want to be labelled a 'wimp'), whereas women generally heve a much more commonsense approach to getting help when it's needed.

Didn't know that about type II (hypomanic type) - I suppose, in keeping with my comments above, men have to be acting 'mad as a hatter' before they are made to get psychiatric help (well most men - that's the type that I exhibit and I went because I thought that there was something wrong, not because my wife did a 'go to the doctors or I'm leaving' type demand)
 
version 1/11 said:

its all good for me. bi-polar just doesnt exist in my universe.

What if, hypothetically, someone started a thread in this forum about her relationship with her boyfriend?

Let's say that this hypothetical person states in the thread the fact that her boyfriend is blind.

And let's also say that this hypothetical person comments that in her experience, the fact that her boyfriend is blind presents certain additional challenges for the two of them, and that therefore, she is seeking help and support from the members of this forum.

Let's further say that, I, LOVELIFE, have never in my life encountered anyone who is blind.

Even though the entire medical community agrees that certain people are actually blind and that said blindness causes challeneges.

What would be a better thing for me, as a contributor to this forum, to do:

(a) post "Well, blindness just doesn't exist in my universe;"

or, in the alternative,

(b) shut the fuck up and listen so that perhaps I can learn from those individuals who HAVE had experiences with blind people?
 
Diacetylus said:
I personally think alot of people with Bipolar play on their illness quite a fair bit. They use it as a scapegoat for being selfish, and hurful towards others..


I seen this before......it can be extremely, extremely annoying. NOT EVERYONE But some.

And shit, i dont wanna hear the "you just dont understand what its like" cuz i been to hell and back on the crazy train and that shits wild. If they put me in the doc's office right now guaranteed i would come out with a list as long as my arm of what the fuck is mentally wrong with me or "diagnoses" but fuck that shit.

Anyways, unfortunately some of the problems of dealing with people with mental illness is the same as dealing with drug addicts/alcoholics, and the ethics that rehab gives them.

The whole victim thing, you got a disease, you cant control it, it aint your fault, blablabla, but in reality there is a lot you can do to control it and take part in making yourself healthy, or at least as sane as possible.

Simply standing up and refusing to be a victim of it is one step that a lot of people dont take because its easier to blame their actions on a disease whether its their addiction or their mental illness or whatever the hell it is that they got, and after being told by psychatrists, doctors, counseolors, and all them that you are helpless and you cant help what you do, its easy to play into that and play it up and let your 'condition' begin to take over your life in ways that something as simple as a different thought pattern could help avoid....

Anyways its a little off topic so imma stop rambling on that shit, but it does suck to be around people who instead of bein like, yup, i got bipolar, im a crazy fucker, but, thats me, i got this, i do my thang, i do what i gotta do to take care of it, will manipulate it and distort it to become their special weapon of whats "wrong" with them and then use it on other people....
 
I hate to do this, Lacey, but I actually agree with your last post.

If Person X is diagnosed with Blahblahblah Disorder, that doesn't give him the license to behave however he wants with the built-in scapegoat that "I have Blahblahblah Disorder."

AT THE SAME TIME, people who care about Person X, when they learn of his Blahblahblah disorder, ought to make a decision.

Either:

(a) Make a conscious decision as an adult that "I love Person X, and part of loving someone is accepting his not-so-good qualities along with his good qualities, and thus, I choose to accept the bad along with the good and, as such, I will account for the fact that Person X has Blahblahblah Disorder, just as I account for the fact that my other friend, Person Y, is legally blind . . .

. . . and, at the same time, make it clear to Person X that even though I love him and will therefore give him some latitude to account for the fact that he has Blahblahblah Disorder, he needs to do HIS PART (taking medications, following doctors' recommendations, etc.) to control those parts of Blahblahblah Disorder that ARE within his control . . .

. . . so that the symptoms of his Blahblahblah Disorder, and the negative effects these symptoms have on others is mitigated."

or

(b) Make a conscious decision as an adult that "I do not love/need/want/whatever Person X enough to be willing to accept the consequences of his Blahblahblah Disorder so I will tactfully end my relationship with Person X."

In my opinion.
 
L O V E L I F E said:
What if, hypothetically, someone started a thread in this forum about her relationship with her boyfriend?

Let's say that this hypothetical person states in the thread the fact that her boyfriend is blind.

And let's also say that this hypothetical person comments that in her experience, the fact that her boyfriend is blind presents certain additional challenges for the two of them, and that therefore, she is seeking help and support from the members of this forum.

Let's further say that, I, LOVELIFE, have never in my life encountered anyone who is blind.

Even though the entire medical community agrees that certain people are actually blind and that said blindness causes challeneges.

What would be a better thing for me, as a contributor to this forum, to do:

(a) post "Well, blindness just doesn't exist in my universe;"

or, in the alternative,

(b) shut the fuck up and listen so that perhaps I can learn from those individuals who HAVE had experiences with blind people?

not a good analogy, dude.

let me tell you why...

im sorry, but not ALL of the medical community agrees that there are these percieved afflictions.

and before you go saying "experience", ive worked in a psych ward.

the problem was, the real psycho`s were managing the joint.8(

i see people of differant standings with the same behaviours, some diagnosed with disorders, some not. go figure.

i gues what im trying to say here is... go fuck yourself. hypothetically, of course. :D
 
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version 1/11 said:
not a good analogy, dude.

let me tell you why...

im sorry, but not ALL of the medical community agrees that there are these percieved afflictions.

and before you go saying "experience", ive worked in a psych ward.

the problem was, the real psycho`s were managing the joint.8(

i see people of differant standings with the same behaviours, some diagnosed with disorders, some not. go figure.

Just because it might be true that SOME people can lie/manipulate their way into being labeled "having medical condition X" incorrectly and because unfortunately, millions of people are misdiagnosed or undiagnosed . . .

. . . it does NOT necessarily follow that it's not the case that MILLIONS OF PEOPLE do legitimately suffer severely emotionally on a day-to-day basis, and that the medical community overwhelmingly (is that more accurate?) considers bipolar diorder to be a legitimate medical condition.

Lacey K's point about the importance of NOT yielding to the temptation of labeling oneself a "victim" was a good one.

But this isn't a black an white issue.

In fact, I think it's not that different from what many great black leaders have been trying to do to get more of their people (my avatar's black, so i can say that) to motivate themselves to succeed and to be happy.

Yes, bipolars were born (in certain ways) unlucky.

Yes, bipolars ought to accept the responsibility that they ought to do everything in their power to focus on making themselves emotionally healthier (for their own good AND so that they can benefit other people, as well).

But that doesn't negate the fact that bipolar disorder exists and that non-bipolars ought to seek to understand them.


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