They don't seem to mind importing cocaine and heroin.....
Big Pharma Company Jacks Up Price of Overdose Life Saver by 1100%: Now, More People Will Die
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If I remember correctly, my exchange nearby takes donations to help fund the cost to run such programs. Sadly the one in my town is the ONLY one south of springfield Illinois in my state. The rest are in Chicago and Springfield. And I live on the border of IL/MO and Missouri doesn't allow exchange programs yet that's where most people buy dope. Quite the dilemma
No, Im cheering on the free market and the ability of companies to do what they want (just as CRA is doing by asking for donations, which I have never seen them do until now and I used them for over a decade). Pretty simple.
Should I be cheering on the junkies that don't know how to use dope without overdosing? Like I said I don't see a problem, a possible bump in the road that will smooth itself out, yes. I never had access to naloxone amps untill the tailend of my heavy using days and IMO the dope was much stronger back then. Not saying naloxone doesn't save lots of lives but it also inadvertently promotes reckless heroin use.
Everything will work out, no doubt about that. That's what happens when your a pioneering harm outreach center, bumps in the road...
Should I be cheering on the junkies that don't know how to use dope without overdosing? Like I said I don't see a problem, a possible bump in the road that will smooth itself out, yes. I never had access to naloxone amps untill the tailend of my heavy using days and IMO the dope was much stronger back then. Not saying naloxone doesn't save lots of lives but it also inadvertently promotes reckless heroin use.
Everything will work out, no doubt about that. That's what happens when your a pioneering harm outreach center, bumps in the road...
i think Narcan should only be dosed for free if say a hospital or Dr gave a person too much pain meds. IE he or she was taking it as prescribed and it was too much. For people who choose to play with fire the price ( money wise) should be on them. I have never seen free insulin programs for diabetics or free epipen programs for people who are allergic to nuts or bees. and people in the above 2 groups did nothing to bring on their problems. I say that as someone getting off pain meds and someone who lost a brother to an Oxycodone OD
bagochina;11485222 said:
Okay well seeing as the FDA doesn't allow importation of pharmaceuticals you're not cheering on the free market at all. You're cheering on a system that pretends to be a free market so that it has at least some sort of ideological crutch to stand upon whilst actually more or less being tailored to protect the wealth of the very same people that right the laws.
Should you be cheering on reckless drug addicts? No, but simply not supporting a price increase is not doing that. No one will see that article and go "I guess I shouldn't try to overdose anymore, such a shame, it was so fun". Also Granular convection can mean that a perfectly reasonable dose of heroin turns out to be a lot stronger than anticipated. Of course the statistical probability isn't that high, but if you're injecting hundreds of times over a large period of time it will eventually happen. Also it can go the other way, you get a weak dose that's mostly filler, you think the stuff you bought is weaker than it actually is, you compensate but now your compensating for something that's actually on average stronger than initially bought because you've taken out a large ration of cutting agent to drug that gets you high last time round.
CRA's internet schedule is out of date. The Blood Alley site is gone for sure, there are probably others. Have cut at least one staff position. They still give out naloxone and other materials- that would be the last thing to go. Indeed, CRA is a pioneering harm reduction org, but it doesn't mean that the "bumps in the road" aren't a serious problem that someone has to take care of.
Maybe if pharma companies want to continue to own a licence to produce opiate/oid painkillers (im guessing easily their biggest money earners), then they should be required to produce and provide a small percentage of life saving drugs like naloxone for free.
Infact, i would extend that idea to requiring a percentage of their R and D budget to go towards development of new life-saving drugs like antibiotics.
Of course, this would require a corruption free govermental system to bring this into effect and uphold it....
Infact, i would extend that idea to requiring a percentage of their R and D budget to go towards development of new life-saving drugs like antibiotics.
Of course, this would require a corruption free govermental system to bring this into effect and uphold it....
crOOK: Morphine is one of the simplest and least expencive substances. To create it all you need is opium, limestone, ammonia, water and a heat source. The shortages of opiates/opioids around the world have nothing to do with difficulty in production and pricing. It relates to 2 things: Priorities and the UN Convention which limits production of opium. Most any nation could produce morphine quite easily but because of the UN cannot legally grow poppies. As for importing it, it does not rate highly on the priority list in developing nations. Part of it is ignorance, part of it involves traditional attitudes towards analgesia. Narcan is a different dynamic.
DOB;11482046 said:
What an arrogant, nasty thing to say. Having worked in "harm reduction" (aka; rehab, addiction psych, etc.) for many years, I can say- -and I think the stats will back me up on this- -that "junkies" tend to have a higher IQ on average than the general population, tend to be better educated, and also test higher on several medically proven scales for resourcefulness and mental/emotional stamina, not to mention open-mindedness and tolerance of others.
While I believe that it is perfectly acceptible for one to hate the drug, or the addiction process, for what it does to people, I find it more than a little ironic that you would make a statement of that kind. To the "average" (typically highly intellegent, resourceful, openminded) junkie, who may well have started down the path to addiction in an attempt to self-medicate due to the stresses of living in a world full of vicious, fascistic statements/beliefs/people such as you/yours, your statement quickly marks you as being "of a type." And to many very intellegent, open-minded, tolerant humans- -not just junkies- -that "type" (i.e.; a person who is quick to judge an entire population of other humans as being less worthy of existence, a.k.a.; a "fascist") is more of a drag or burden, dooming us to extinction, than a few self-medicating/self-harming "junkies" will ever be.
bluemonkey;11486449 said:
I work in the healthcare industry, for one of the largest research hospitals in the world. I see diabetics, people w/a history of anaphylaxis, and countless others being given free medication EVERY SINGLE DAY OF THE YEAR. I regularly see addicts who started their addiction in a medical setting, when a medical professional over-prescribed opiates or other painkillers, or kept a patient on these drugs long past the point where they should've been weaned off. I also regularly see people who are addicted because they are attempting to self-medicate away the pain of serious mental illnesses, such as PTSD, depression, schizophrenia, etc., in a country where mental illness programs are horrifically underfunded, and the mentally ill are often stigmatized or even openly discriminated against.
Yes, addiction is an awful thing, but the problem is, these drugs WORK. Just like a lot of other self-defeating behaviors which bring people to the psych industry every day, people wouldn't partake in such self-harming/self-defeating behavior if it didn't (initially, at least) work so well to 'cure what ails 'em'...HOWEVER, drug addiction isn't the only life-threatening ailment that can be proven to have a direct correlation to life-style/life-style choices. There are many, many others, such as heart-disease, liver-disease, respiratory illness, cancer, diabetes, and the list goes on and on.
That is one of the reasons why this debate is so frustrating. If the pharmaceutical companies came out tomorrow and said that they had a drug that could bring a patient who suffers from heart disease out of "code" as quickly and efficiently as Narcan brings an overdose patient back to life, BUT they were gonna artificially inflate its price in the same way that they are doing with Narcan, would your response be the same?
it is an equally awful thing for someone to state that the cost of making some bad choices in one's life SHOULD BE (not just "can be") DEATH.
In many of these Narcan cases, we're not talking about a situation where each "junkie" gets to decide whether he wishes, or can afford, to pay a significantly inflated price, we're talking about thousands of people (who are using and will continue to use drugs that may- -or may not- -kill them, whether they have access to Narcan or not) who will no longer have access to Narcan at all before their deaths. We're talking about thousands of situations where, given the chance, these HUMAN BEINGS might have been given Narcan by an outreach center, or free medical center, or some other barely-funded, most likely ostracized-by-the-community agency, which they or their cohorts can then use to save their lives without having to worry that calling an ambulance will also mean significant jail time for themselves and their rescuers. It is a fact that many OD victims die due to their companions' fear of prosecution, and that many people who have struggled valiantly to save an ODing person's life have been rewarded with penal custody.
These are human beings, and even though they have made a decisions about drug use that you would not make, or live a lifestyle that you find abhorrent, it does not give you (or anyone else) the right to consciously withhold lifesaving treatment. By rendering these drugs physically inaccessible to all except those who have the great good fortune to make it to a larger medical center, and to make it in time to recieve successful application of this lifesaving drug, these pharma companies are literally guilty of negligent homicide. These people have murdered sons, daughters, fathers, mothers, friends, and lovers, just as surely as the drugs that they overdosed upon did.
Just remember, one has to be alive and breathing to be capable of deciding to go into recovery.
It has just come to my attention that you can now go to your doctor and request and be given for free an opiate overdose kit if you have a history of addiction which comes with to intramuscular syringes and two vials of narcan .After you use both you can return them to the doctor and trade the empties for a new kit with no questions asked,the only requirement is to be told how and when to use them properly and sign a release saying you were trained in its proper use.The kit is legal to carry and is considered a legal script and can be carried on your person,it is also protected under patient and doctor confidentiality,at least in the state of new york,I just recieved mine today.
sigh. Just like suboxone. The free clinics in Dallas (don't get me wrong, i'm grateful that the exist or o wouldn't be alive and typing this,) seemingly push sub on anyone who admits to having EVER used opiates. The four times i was there in 06 (yes, FOUR times...i had a helluva drinking problem, ) the dr pushed and pushed and pushed until i agreed to try the sub. Sub saved my life...it seems to work for alcoholism (and depression, for that matter,) as well as squelching all of my opiate cravings. But here's the kicker...they push it on you with NO TAPER, meaning you get sick when you get out. They make SURE, however, that you know that you can sure come back and get some more of those dandy little orange pills, for an exorbitant fee of course. And of course, i did. I entered the detox with a terrible alcohol addiction, and left with a $14 a day suboxone habit, which i was able to afford for 2 years. Those two years were the best and most productive of my life, but when the money ran out, i went through the WORST withdrawals of my life.
From what i understand, when a Dr gets her license to prescribe sub, he agrees to ONLY prescribe the name brand. It would APPEAR that they are also given some kind of incentive to "push" the drug on weary folk in detox centers.
As someone else said, profits are more important than lives in the USA.
Don't get me wrong, i love my country, and i love Texas even more,
but there is a LAUNDRY LIST of ways in which she has embarrassed me, this being one of the worst.
IF THERE IS A PILL THAT SAVES LIVES, IT SHOULD BE CHEAP IF NOT FREE! This goes for ALL diseases. Call me a socialist, but this is one of my most strongly held beliefs.
From what i understand, when a Dr gets her license to prescribe sub, he agrees to ONLY prescribe the name brand. It would APPEAR that they are also given some kind of incentive to "push" the drug on weary folk in detox centers.
As someone else said, profits are more important than lives in the USA.
Don't get me wrong, i love my country, and i love Texas even more,
but there is a LAUNDRY LIST of ways in which she has embarrassed me, this being one of the worst.
IF THERE IS A PILL THAT SAVES LIVES, IT SHOULD BE CHEAP IF NOT FREE! This goes for ALL diseases. Call me a socialist, but this is one of my most strongly held beliefs.
I find that putting a price on anything that does really help those in need to be a travesty , I believe treatment drugs and treatment itself should be free or of very little cost . This is a very close subject with me as my meth as I call her could and would get and stay clean if it were to cost less or be free . we do not have lots of money but fall through the cracks as we can support ourselves . I just pray the day comes that getting her recovery medication and treatment to be more cost effective than getting her DOC
What? None of this makes any sense. Naloxone is old and generic. You can buy it straight from a chemical supply company in the U.S. for $580 a gram (so $1.16 for a typical 2 mg dose). Why the hell isn't anyone else selling this?
Edit: if this is "sourcing" I am sorry, feel free to edit my post, mods.
Edit: if this is "sourcing" I am sorry, feel free to edit my post, mods.
It may be my hangover, but I couldn't help getting a bit emotional reading over the 10,000 lives saved, knowing I am one of them, and realizing drug company profits are worth more than my life.
bluemonkey;11486449 said:
I have diabetes and receive my insulin free of charge from a program at the nearby hospital.