sackynut
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a speedball might feel like alcohol+coke to you, but its more like VX gas for your body.
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RCs Big n Dandy 4-FA (4-fluoroamphetamine) thread v.1.0
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BananasAndOranges
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Don't consume or ingest more. personally this is one gross chemical unless it is tested to be pure and from a very reliable source. Sackynuts you make my egg crack .. shake that bacon baby
Are you reffering to 4-Fa or Methylone?
Have any of you tried this stuff at WORK??? I know that 100mg is way too euphoric to not seem high as a kite at work....
What would be a good dose for work? I'm talking something similar to coffee. A dose that will wake you up, help you concentrate/work better, put you in a better mood, but NOT make you appear too fucked up (pupil dilalation, appear tweaked, etc.)
What would be a good dose for work? I'm talking something similar to coffee. A dose that will wake you up, help you concentrate/work better, put you in a better mood, but NOT make you appear too fucked up (pupil dilalation, appear tweaked, etc.)
change-jug
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Maybe 40mgs? I`ve taken that dosage before and it did just what you`re describing. Woke me up,good mood,but not blatantly high looking.
sackynut
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30-40mgs at work (if youre experienced with drugs/enactogens) will probably be very similar to taking adderall at work. make you more productive and outgoing. dont make a habit of it though, and dont do too much because then youll end up trying to make out with a customer or rub their head or something haha :D
I tried this at work today...I did 45mg and really didn't feel a whole lot...maybe like a cup of coffee or something. Four hours later I took a little over 50mg (55 max), and I thought that was the perfect dose...I didn't feel tired and was feeling pretty good but not too fucked up or anything. Pupils maybe slightly dialated, but not enough to draw too much attention.
I feel 50-60mg would be good for a work type enviornment. Anything over 60mg I think would draw too much attention as I have done 125mg followed by 100mg, and was practically rolling
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Anyway I feel this has some potential as a caffine substitute.
I feel 50-60mg would be good for a work type enviornment. Anything over 60mg I think would draw too much attention as I have done 125mg followed by 100mg, and was practically rolling
...Anyway I feel this has some potential as a caffine substitute.
lurching
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has way too much serotonin activity for that, imo. my pupils are already saucersize at 30-50mg. and it's too tingly, i don't want to do that too often (tingling).
i'm OK with the occasional crumb of regular amphetamine in the morning (preferably dex), but then a real subtle dose-- that actually feels lighter on my system than drinking coffee throughout the day.
i'm OK with the occasional crumb of regular amphetamine in the morning (preferably dex), but then a real subtle dose-- that actually feels lighter on my system than drinking coffee throughout the day.
damn, even at a light dose I can't see 4-FA being a "functional" drug. Clearly this is all subjective but IMO dex is perfect for that but 4-FA is just way too fun. Did that little bit really last for 4 hours?
I love this stuff.. i'm curious as to what people would think mixing it with 6-abp?
I love this stuff.. i'm curious as to what people would think mixing it with 6-abp?
heavywater
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not sure about the 6-apb, as i've never tried it, but 4-FA on its own is so incredibly stimulating that i can't imagine combining it with another upper.
135 mg taken orally along with 2 friends (on the same dosage) led to 3 or 4 hours of shockingly strong MDMA-esque euphoria followed by another 4 hours of pleasant speeding. spent the entire night jabbering away at each other, listening to techno and dancing like maniacs.
The initial phase of 4-FA feels like a more energetic, speedy, clearheaded version of MDMA. Like MDMA without the sloppiness. Too often when I roll I feel so smacked out and caught up in the body rushes that I can't even move or interact properly with anyone. This can be an amazing experience, to be sure, but sometimes you want to have a little more control over yourself...
in medium doses (120 - 150 mg), 4-FA seems to offer the perfect balance between the robotic focus of regular amphetamine and the all-encompassing bliss-overload of pure molly. it provides the same feelings of openness, trust, and empathy, along with the clarity and energetic drive of regular amps.
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however, the story is slightly different for low dosages, at least in my experience so far.
Out of boredom and curiosity I have tried using 4-fa several times at low doses as a cognitive enhancer / productiveness aid and it never worked out well. Dosages varying from 20 - 50 mg oral and 10 - 40 mg rectal before going to work have always ended up with me feeling anxious, strangely out of it, and unable to interact like a normal human. I had to constantly fight to appear sober. And with doses above 30 mg, my pupils became extremely dilated.
One day, after taking 50 mg of 4-FA along with 50 mg of 2-FA, my pupils were dilated for nearly 48 hours! I only felt the effects of the stimulants for about 4 hours, but for the next 2 days I looked like an owl. So... take caution when and where you take this stuff, because people will definitely notice. it has a very long half life.
135 mg taken orally along with 2 friends (on the same dosage) led to 3 or 4 hours of shockingly strong MDMA-esque euphoria followed by another 4 hours of pleasant speeding. spent the entire night jabbering away at each other, listening to techno and dancing like maniacs.
The initial phase of 4-FA feels like a more energetic, speedy, clearheaded version of MDMA. Like MDMA without the sloppiness. Too often when I roll I feel so smacked out and caught up in the body rushes that I can't even move or interact properly with anyone. This can be an amazing experience, to be sure, but sometimes you want to have a little more control over yourself...
in medium doses (120 - 150 mg), 4-FA seems to offer the perfect balance between the robotic focus of regular amphetamine and the all-encompassing bliss-overload of pure molly. it provides the same feelings of openness, trust, and empathy, along with the clarity and energetic drive of regular amps.
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however, the story is slightly different for low dosages, at least in my experience so far.
Out of boredom and curiosity I have tried using 4-fa several times at low doses as a cognitive enhancer / productiveness aid and it never worked out well. Dosages varying from 20 - 50 mg oral and 10 - 40 mg rectal before going to work have always ended up with me feeling anxious, strangely out of it, and unable to interact like a normal human. I had to constantly fight to appear sober. And with doses above 30 mg, my pupils became extremely dilated.
One day, after taking 50 mg of 4-FA along with 50 mg of 2-FA, my pupils were dilated for nearly 48 hours! I only felt the effects of the stimulants for about 4 hours, but for the next 2 days I looked like an owl. So... take caution when and where you take this stuff, because people will definitely notice. it has a very long half life.
PhyllipThylamine
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I've been quite curious about the other FA's but obviously dont have any intention of combining them at the mo, just looking for a proper, pure stimulant.
On the subject of sore throat/immune systems...
I posted a few pages back about using 4-fa to help me through a chesty cold. The drug worked great as a cardiovascular stimulant, much preferable to the thoroughly unpleasant Prednisolone (a stimulating corticosteroid for asthmatics & those with COPD). Unfortunately I DID end up with a chest infection & it took 2 courses of different antibiotics to kill it off.
A couple weeks later I snorted a small line of 4-FA (against my better judgement, to test a new supply) & later that same weekend, snorted some bad quality meph. I caused a wound in my nostril that became infected but I was lucky enought to get this one early enough to avoid another course of antibiotics. I now seriously advise against insufflating this compound under any circumstances. I in fact do not intend to snort any Goddamn thing again, given how much I have suffered in the past week. My nostril has been VERY painful. It's almost healed now & any new batches of 4-fa will be tested orally.
Anyhoo, the earlier post about sore throats got me thinking that perhaps 4-fa has a similar effect on my immune system that MDMA does, in that it interfere's with my ability to fight infection & "seems" to make me more susceptible to an infection, especially of the lungs.
So, I'm kinda thinking that 4-fa needs to be given the same respect as MDMA & should be used only occassionally & in moderate dosing & NEVER, EVER up the fucking nose!
Keep it real peeps, hope you're all good in the Fuck All thread
On the subject of sore throat/immune systems...
I posted a few pages back about using 4-fa to help me through a chesty cold. The drug worked great as a cardiovascular stimulant, much preferable to the thoroughly unpleasant Prednisolone (a stimulating corticosteroid for asthmatics & those with COPD). Unfortunately I DID end up with a chest infection & it took 2 courses of different antibiotics to kill it off.
A couple weeks later I snorted a small line of 4-FA (against my better judgement, to test a new supply) & later that same weekend, snorted some bad quality meph. I caused a wound in my nostril that became infected but I was lucky enought to get this one early enough to avoid another course of antibiotics. I now seriously advise against insufflating this compound under any circumstances. I in fact do not intend to snort any Goddamn thing again, given how much I have suffered in the past week. My nostril has been VERY painful. It's almost healed now & any new batches of 4-fa will be tested orally.
Anyhoo, the earlier post about sore throats got me thinking that perhaps 4-fa has a similar effect on my immune system that MDMA does, in that it interfere's with my ability to fight infection & "seems" to make me more susceptible to an infection, especially of the lungs.
So, I'm kinda thinking that 4-fa needs to be given the same respect as MDMA & should be used only occassionally & in moderate dosing & NEVER, EVER up the fucking nose!
Keep it real peeps, hope you're all good in the Fuck All thread
grafittibob
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I hope no one is bothered by me bumping this thread...but
Got to try approximately 50mg of 4-FA today. (had to eyeball it so maybe 40-60mg)
Placed it on my tongue, tasted sweet at first until it got around to the back of my tongue and tasted pretty gross.
Also seemed to make my tongue slightly numb.
Within the next 10 minutes I was feeling pretty nice, slight body tingles and general giddiness.
Everything seemed to have a comedic feel to it and I had a nice uplifted mood.
I started to play my guitar and noticed that I could come up with new material pretty easily.
The chords seemed to flow easily and the music had profound depth to it.
Overall I would say this was even better than mdma.
It lasts just longer, (took it at 3:00 pm, still feeling it now at 10:30) put me in a good mood, but also has more energetic effects.
I'm planning on trying 80-100mg in a few days, should be fun.
Got to try approximately 50mg of 4-FA today. (had to eyeball it so maybe 40-60mg)
Placed it on my tongue, tasted sweet at first until it got around to the back of my tongue and tasted pretty gross.
Also seemed to make my tongue slightly numb.
Within the next 10 minutes I was feeling pretty nice, slight body tingles and general giddiness.
Everything seemed to have a comedic feel to it and I had a nice uplifted mood.
I started to play my guitar and noticed that I could come up with new material pretty easily.
The chords seemed to flow easily and the music had profound depth to it.
Overall I would say this was even better than mdma.
It lasts just longer, (took it at 3:00 pm, still feeling it now at 10:30) put me in a good mood, but also has more energetic effects.
I'm planning on trying 80-100mg in a few days, should be fun.
Has anyone connected appearance to purity? I've had 3 different looking and after researching, obvious purity differences in 3 samples.
#1 was bright white with a pink tinge, very sparkly and consistent. not fluffy, and dry.
#2 looked like #1; if it was mixed with magnesium powder. or chalk powder. Also had hard lumps/ slightly wet.
#3 looks wet but consistently white and sparkly. is very fluffy when handled.
The 1st sample was best and is my standard. The second was missing at least 1/3 of 1st samples strength and seemed to have shorter duration. 3rd was maybe half strength, if that. 3rd sample also did not really burn when smelled. Other 2 burned pretty good! Also was faint smell of cat urine when all 3 were smelled.
Anyone else have similar experiences? I hope to find that 1st type again.
#1 was bright white with a pink tinge, very sparkly and consistent. not fluffy, and dry.
#2 looked like #1; if it was mixed with magnesium powder. or chalk powder. Also had hard lumps/ slightly wet.
#3 looks wet but consistently white and sparkly. is very fluffy when handled.
The 1st sample was best and is my standard. The second was missing at least 1/3 of 1st samples strength and seemed to have shorter duration. 3rd was maybe half strength, if that. 3rd sample also did not really burn when smelled. Other 2 burned pretty good! Also was faint smell of cat urine when all 3 were smelled.
Anyone else have similar experiences? I hope to find that 1st type again.
Xamkou
Bluelighter
On a scale of 1 to 10, how would everyone rate the euphoria of 4-FA? Given that I would give MDMA and Mephedrone a 10/10, 4-FA would get a...
3rd_I_blind
Bluelighter
Between 6 and 8, depending on your level of tolerance and how much this substance agrees with you.
For me it is definitely an 8, given that I would rate MDMA 6.5ish and LSD a 9 or higher. But that's just me, ofcourse.
For me it is definitely an 8, given that I would rate MDMA 6.5ish and LSD a 9 or higher. But that's just me, ofcourse.
3rd_I_blind
Bluelighter
Well, a lot of the properties you describe can be due to particle size alone, without the necessity of differences in purity.
I have had fluffy white powder, more chalky powder with hard lumps and even a grainy PVC-like powder.
All were 95-100% purity, so...
Anyway, a pink hue is not an indication of quality but of some kind of adulterant (probably very low concentration).
So if anything, don't go looking for pinkish 4-FMP, LOL.
NoArtFlav
Bluelighter
mdai and 4FA is interesting...mutlitple goes/testing at MDAI and my friend is not sure if its a + or -....its a good mixer, but mixing with MDAI and other things could be dangerous., but my friend preferred 4FA alone with a few adderalls later on. He would take an empty adderall XR pillcapsule and fill it and swallow 3 at a time( had to be around 200mg).he never dosed based on weight (which is dumb, and everyone should) but he had a very high ampth tolerance. the come on is smooth and nice. A sudden urge to do something. its almost like a mild mdma come up but overall adderall/rital mixture without the known bad sideefffects. Euphoria was uinigue as it was not so overpowering, but just felt good. and helped a lot with getting housework done. there wasnt any uncomfortable stimulating fx, but vaiulum and JWH=250 was consumed at the same time...with adderall addeed as a booster a few others later.
he compared it the the good feeling you get the first titme you get that rush from addies before the magic goes mixed with a mild mdma come on...def a good RC in his opinion.
he compared it the the good feeling you get the first titme you get that rush from addies before the magic goes mixed with a mild mdma come on...def a good RC in his opinion.
I'd give it a solid 9. I feel really really good on this stuff. I've done it mulitple times (not as many times as MDMA but enough) and it is consistently pleasing. 9 all the way.
Hey guys first post here on Bluelight.
I remember hearing in this thread that 4-fa + a small does of 2c-d was very MDMA-like? Just wondering if anyone could clarify this or could provide further insight on mixtures with 2c-x's because a friend and I plan to take 100mg 4-fa each orally with my friend considering adding in 5 - 10 mg 2c-i.
I remember hearing in this thread that 4-fa + a small does of 2c-d was very MDMA-like? Just wondering if anyone could clarify this or could provide further insight on mixtures with 2c-x's because a friend and I plan to take 100mg 4-fa each orally with my friend considering adding in 5 - 10 mg 2c-i.
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