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RCs Big n Dandy 4-FA (4-fluoroamphetamine) thread v.1.0

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Woah that IS some duration! In some cases this can be handy but the overstimulation sounds like an issue.

Woke up feeling fine, ate a normal breakfast. No obvious hangover despite pretty much all day on 4-fa yesterday. I'm putting it away now & next time I try it I'm actually going to PLAN to eat on it & see how that goes. My use of this compound will have to be sparse if it affects me appetite, I need to keep my weight up. I wouldnt be able to take it daily but I'm surprised to find such regular use without unpleasant MDMA type hangovers. I wish I knew more about Neurochemistry & could understand any research papers that have been written about 4-fa. I agree with you GG that these & other compounds can be used by sensible people as medicine. I've read about people with disorders who cannot afford the medication suitable but find a research chemical that actually works better than a prescription drug & costs a fraction of the price. Phenazepam comes to mind.

My damned nose is still sore from huffing this stuff 2 days ago. I've learnt my lesson. OUCH! Pity coz I like snorting shit Lol

I ended up necking an Etiz again last night, the 75mg I had in the afternoon was lingering just enough that I suspected it would hinder sleep. I got almost non-existant sleeper tolerance so just the 1mg was plenty. Slept great.

I'm interested in Tryptamines & other hallucinogens at the moment, I wonder how fa works with say, 4-ho-mipt or with other Phenethylamines like 2c-e...

Anyway, you all keep well & I'll keep my eye in this here thread & say hello regularly!

Peace & Blessings!
 
Well the energy it gives me is tons nicer than the energy 2c-e gives me. When I do a big does of 2c-e then it is impossible to sleep at all. I definitely don't get the jitters I get on caffeine or ephedra.

Last night i ended up staying up really late, not because I couldn't have slept, but because I just didn't feel like going to sleep. If that makes sense. I was pretty cranky though when it wore off. I am still trying to figure out the relationships with food, I really think that if I eat healthy and exercise daily it will get rid of the negatives, but I'm only going on intuition.

But I feel good this morning, so no hangover, maybe a bit tired since I only got like 5-6 hours of sleep and I generally prefer 8-9 hours but not different than if I hadn't dosed yesterday.

I think it may be good to get ahold of some benzos if I'm going to keep going with this on a regular basis.

Looks like 2-fa is starting to hit the vendors, I wonder what differences that drug has to 4-fa?

At any rate the duration between 60mg and 75mg was many hours longer. Probably best to stick to the lower doses. I also don't think redosing is necessary, maybe just start with a large enough dose to get you a full day's worth of stim. However it is possible that the considerably longer duration was metabolism-related and had to do with eating a huge meal right before dosing.
 
What's interesting is after a week of using 4-FA daily I woke up this morning and didn't feel like taking it, and my headspace is much cleaner and more focused than it was before I started taking 4-FA. It's like it has balanced out my brain chemistry or something.

I'm glad that it is easy to just stop suddenly and magically wake up feeling great instead of feeling like crap, that is a nice surprise. <3 YMMV
 
Funny that you mention that. I really enjoy methylone(bk-mdma) but after a night of using it both myself and my lady feel kind of dirty and beat. I don`t get that feeling with 4-fa at all. To me that is a great positive,who doesn`t want to feel awesome after a night of fun when they wake up?
Although for me I do feel the urge to want to do more if I have it laying about.
 
After a little more experimentation I feel this compound does bring a slight serotonin-type crash in the week if it is used at 100mg+ dosage more than once a week. This "crash" seems much lighter & shorter lived than that which occurs after use of MDMA, Meph, M1 or indeed normal speed, & still remains a firm favourite.

I've yet to try combinations but will ease in & keep my research up-to-date for those interested.

Hope you're well Grrl! :)
 
My friends took 100mg and I took 120mg oral and got borderline effects. We then proceeded to vape 40mg more, in 20mg portions, and it blew me the fuck away. Immediately after exhaling a fiery feeling raced through my body and I just sat there staring at the pipe thinking "Woah".

It produced a lot of vapor, I wouldn't recommended trying to use foil, get yourselves a meth pipe (glass rose) if you wanna inhale this. It didn't puddle very well and kinda left white granules in my pipe, which annoyed me as normally I use it for psychedelics and now there's speed all up in there :(
 
I do get a "crash" from 4fa but it usually is around bedtime and as long as I get a good night's sleep I wake up feeling really good, like no depression, no mental fogginess.
 
I think I probably overdid it a little with my first gram. Musta had 3 or 4 runs with about 700mg or 800mg within one week & this probably explains my "Tuesday Blues" effect. I reitterate that this was pretty easy-going compared to other stims & entactogens.

Today I have had 2 seperate 50mg doses with the same amount of MDAI & I found some nice synergy & longevity with this combo. The doses are low because I am sensitive to this class of chems (& chems in general) & I weigh 50kg. Presently enjoying the second dose & am going to try doing some drum practice on it, while my neightbour happens to be out! =D
 
PhyllipThylamine said:
I think I probably overdid it a little with my first gram. Musta had 3 or 4 runs with about 700mg or 800mg within one week & this probably explains my "Tuesday Blues" effect. I reitterate that this was pretty easy-going compared to other stims & entactogens.

Today I have had 2 seperate 50mg doses with the same amount of MDAI & I found some nice synergy & longevity with this combo. The doses are low because I am sensitive to this class of chems (& chems in general) & I weigh 50kg. Presently enjoying the second dose & am going to try doing some drum practice on it, while my neightbour happens to be out! =D
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Using so many serotonin releasers in such a short period of time is likely to have negative effects.
 
Just be careful there PhyllipThylamine, give your body some sober days to recover... 4-fa has some nice residual antidepressant effects.
 
girlygrrl said:
Just be careful there PhyllipThylamine, give your body some sober days to recover... 4-fa has some nice residual antidepressant effects.
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Thank-you, I'm just working out the limits of this compound & unfortunately I don't tend to rely on anecdotal reports & need to find these limits myself.

Didnt eat a great deal yesterday. I DID eat, but not properly, y'know? Anyway, woke up a few hours ago, didn't feel too good, bit fed up, as expected. But, instead of my usual 2 slices of toast & off to work, I've had a proper breakfast, sausage, bacon, egg & fried tomatoes, & I feel 1000% better now.

I'm much more aware of how this stuff affects me now & have stashed my remaining supply, just in case of spontaneous use & it'll be out of reach for the time being. I've had trouble with compulsive use of only one chemical so far in my life & thats Mephedrone. I'm really making sure 4-fa doesnt slip me into the same trap but I honestly doubt it's possible. Because, firstly, it's effects last much longer. Second, I dont (ie CAN'T) snort it. & third, because 4-fa's effects are muh more subtle & less pushy.

Drum practice yesterday was GOOD FUN!

Thanks again for your concern, don't worry I know what I'm doing. Now that breakie has gone down I honestly feel pretty much 95% back to normal. Not planning a busy wknd so, just gonna eat well & chill with my favourite drug, WEED! =D

Keep smiling people, & I really do appreciate your help, very cool %)
 
Good to hear you are doing well.
As far as combos go with 4-fa....so far I have just tried it with mdai. It added some empathogenic qualities to the experience but it still just wasn't that magic ahhhhh like drone/lone or mdma. Gonna try it soon with methylone to see how that goes.
 
PhyllipThylamine said:
Drum practice yesterday was GOOD FUN!

Thanks again for your concern, don't worry I know what I'm doing. Now that breakie has gone down I honestly feel pretty much 95% back to normal. Not planning a busy wknd so, just gonna eat well & chill with my favourite drug, WEED! =D

Keep smiling people, & I really do appreciate your help, very cool %)
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I'm not too worried dear, I just don't want you to burn out on it. 4-fa is magic, it is not mephedrone and not mdma, but it certainly is a lot more worthy of a caffeine replacement than mephedrone is. Somehow I wake up the next day with mdma afterglow headspace but feeling physically charged instead of physically drained like I am on a mdma afterglow.

Anyway food is super important! I'm of the opinion that a large chunk of the issues people have with stims is related to the appetite suppressant effect and so they get issues from low blood sugar that are unfairly blamed on the drug. I have noticed that the crash I thought I was getting from 4-fa went away completely when I started being more diligent about eating regularly and eating healthy food instead of junk ... it not only kickstarted my diet changes but it made the new healthy food seem to taste really good somehow.

I also noticed that I get tons less cranky on the comedown after using it for awhile ... it seemed I had pavlovian responses going on to the comedown because it felt similar to caffeine comedown so I kept expecting to feel the way I did after drinking energy drinks, which generally have a pretty bad hangover for me. So I had to retune my expectations and not expect all these band withdrawals that never seemed to come with 4-fa but always seem to come with caffeine. <3
 
Seeing as I found 4-FA to be most effective snorted, I went ahead and bought a little empty nose spray bottle for spraying whatever you want in your nose. It should spray roughly .1ml of water after filling it with 1ml and spraying it empty several times. I added 3ml of water and 500mg of 4-fa, putting it at about 16mg per spray. I just spray three to four times and I feel fine. I read online a long time ago about a cocaine addict doing the same with a cologne bottle and knowing that snorting a dissolved chemical is much easier than it's solid form (Thanks mephedrone) I went ahead and tried this, and I feel little to no burn, and my sinuses aren't clogging up and I feel stimulated.

Very recommended.
 
^ thank you for this, I have often considered dissolving chemicals in saline solution and using a spray bottle to mist the chemical the way Flonase works. Flonase has a really gross drip but doesn't clog the sinuses at all since it's liquid (and well it is also for allergies so it helps clear out the system anyway)
 
Just don't start making your best stash of MDPV into a solution for nose spray. You'll be highly disappointed a few hours later.
 
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