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Best way to put on weight?

Oh don't get me started on milk - easily my favorite food product for gaining mass!! 80% whey/20% casein proteins, okay amounts of fats, decent carb/fat/protein ratio, the stuff is the "natural" protein/weightgainer supplement lol. During *any* bulk I've been on, milk has been a PITA due to sheer volume drank lol!! (if you have trouble w/ lots of milk, in many cases it's the lactose (a milk sugar), if you take lactase enzymes, or papaya enzymes (papain) it can help. "Beano" is a product in this category I believe, but am not too familiar w/ it. If you can't handle milk at all, you can get refined milk powders (like whey protein), and depending on the type you can have practically zero lactose (whey isolates can have practically zero lactose in the powder - if the protein has zero carbs, it's gonna have low/no lactose ;P )
 
Jblazingphoenix100 said:
wOW THAT SOUNDS LIKE FUN...HOW LONG YOU BEEN DOING THAT ONE?!?!

OK, bulking out does have it's uses from the sound of things, but from what I've seen - if you wanna do sports, or have a job working as a labourer/carpenter/lumberjack/whatever - strength training is the way to go - majorly bulking out is just trying to be someone you're not - as you build up strength, you will naturally put on a bit of bulk, due to the muscles and fats.
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I've been doing it on/off for over a decade, depends what I'm doing at that point in life (for instance, when I was competitively wrestling, the goal was reducing weight, when I was only concerned w/ my total on the big3, it was all about westside training and gorging on food).
And it's not particularly fun, but it's an absolute necessity to gain weight - you can't defy physics here, if you don't have a surplus your body can't magically create mass (fat or muscle).

And bulking can be a pita, but it does have its uses - namely, the use would be the answer to the topic of this thread.

And gaining strength comes with bulking, that's just the physical mechanics behind it. You can gain more strength per pound of muscle by different training approaches, but we're NOT talking about strength here, if we were this would be a very different discussion, this is about gaining weight.
/oh and building strength will NOT necessarily lead to gaining muscle - in fact, what you've suggested leads to LESS muscle in many people. Doing those kinds of jobs, sure they'll make your muscles more efficient, but your muscle mass tends to drop because of, once again, calorie balance. Trying to do a bulk while one works strenuous physical labor is pointless. They burn a ton of calories BUT their 'training' is NOT size training, it's long/slow training that emphasizes typeI musculature buildup (slow-twitch muscles, which have little capacity for growth - see skinny marathon runners), gaining muscle mass requires the aforementioned calorie/nutrient requirements, and training of typeIIa and IIb muscle fibers (fast twitch), they're the ones that grow nice and big ;P

and btw, it's kind of insulting to say someone's trying to be someone they're not simply because they want to increase muscle. By that logic, anyone looking to change anything about their body appearance is "looking to be someone they're not", and that's just a silly accusation IMO.
 
got the same problem as you, because of my ritalin, so i smoke pot and eat a fucking load of potatoes, fruit and veggie.... it helps me to maintain a normal weight
 
just remember that carbs are the worst (nutritionally) of the 3 macros. I mean, you need some fiber for health, but the body can make carbs from proteins/fats, the body dies w/o intake of sufficient amino acids(proteins) and fatty acids ;P
I love it, the OP doesn't seem to be here anymore..
 
jblaze i don't want to get into a pissing contest but..

eatting healthy is amazingly cheap. I don't spend much at all on food even eating 3k cals a day and 50g/protein per meal. I spend jack shit to be honest.. Costco, Winco, Safeway or Savemart for a few things like fresh vegis.. it's not expensive at all.


As for the going bald and having a heart attack.. lol couldn't be further from the truth. I had full bloodwork done 3 months ago - everything came back perfect. Same thing last year and same thing the year before. I literally get every hormone level checked, full lipid profile, etc. etc. I can screenshot my results if you doubt me.

I've bulked up to 275 lbs where I deadlifted 610 and 500 for 11 reps. I've squated in the 500s, benched 365. I've now cut down to 230 and have a six pack(8% body fat right now) and can still lift like a beast and do cardio for hours each week.

oh and this is all natural. I've never touched a steroid or pro hormone in my life. if you eat right and eat the proper amounts, get enough rest, and drink enough water, you can make your body into whatever you want it to be. You just have to understand what you're doing.
 
DAMN!
lol I forgot that was you. BEAST!! How long ago did you start serious training? I'm presuming you've taken few breaks? I know like 2 people IRL who've actually stuck to it long enough to get there (the #'s w/ the bf%, everyone's got a bunch of fat-fuck pl friends who can move cars haha)
Not asking you to post anything too detailed, but what would you characterise your training as? More like bodybuilding, westside, etc? gpp/crossfit on top of it, or do you keep bf there just by careful diet?
 
Started when I was 20 then took about 2 years off from 21-23, started up again at 23, been 5 years now since. 5 days a week, 1-3 hrs daily. I've changed it up a lot in that time. I used to be huge into squats then got into deadlifts but during that entire phase was going for a power lift emphasis.. then I got more into isolation movements as the bulk of my routine. Now I'm into core and cardio, chinups, crunches, that kind of stuff.

At the moment I'm doing a hard reset. I'm intentionally losing weight (muscle and fat, not concerned with muscle preservation), going to train up and do some hiking, then go back into building muscle as the main priority again sometime later this year.

I may even get into swimming. It has always been something I've wanted to train at.

shoulders I always do cross fit.. never go very heavy on shoulders. I think it is too prone to injury. The rest is usually fairly standard 4 sets by 12 reps. But it's really pretty much however I feel. Lately I superset basically everything and I'm having a lot of fun not working muscles in the traditional way (ie, chest/tri or push/pull) but instead doing a full body mix.. I find it much more challenging and fun.
 
thnx for the summary dude ;P again, awesome #'s!!

I've always liked doing mixup routines, but they just never went anywhere on paper for me, always responded far better to low-ish volume, max-effort-ish stuff (like westside, actually the big3 make up like 90% of the lifts I do, the rest I wouldn't even know what to call 'em cuz they're shit I make up on-spot to hit areas that don't get much work otherwise <rear delts, etc>)

I don't get what you mean by crossfit for shoulders?
/got any #'s from crossfit routines? And nope, I'll never ever post mine, so f'ing embarrassing lol!! I think it was "annie" routine that almost killed me one time ;P
 
If you actual want to be healthy, it costs. It costs more so than any other diet.
 
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roflmao.. sorry but no. crap is eating fast food, processed food, or eating out even. I don't do any of the above.

Defining my diet as crap because I eat GM foods is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

And has it been proven, scientifically, to be superior to a diet consisting of a mix of GM and non GM? Do we know all of the possible health consequences of GM food vs. non GM food? Can we even say, with certainty, what, say, putting corn into your body does? Then can we assess GM vs. non GM corn on every possible risk factor? There's so many different factors to investigate ranging from heart disease increasing or decreasing to cancers to simple blood sugar factors.. where do we even begin?

related reading:
http://www.organicfacts.net/organic-food/organic-food-basics/health-benefits-of-organic-food.html
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/food_and_drink/real_food/article6731910.ece
etc. etc. etc.

Sure it sounds great, but until science starts weighing in more, you're just paying a shitload for some label.
 
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GM is bad. Its not SUPERIOR now is it, its natural food thats been fucked with.

And I wouldnt say GM is necessarily BAD for you, but its definitly not the same as actual, unaltered food. Organic isnt what im necessarily talking about...
 
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Wtf is GM?

Moony is right on one thing: if you want healthy food, you need to pay. There's a reason healthy costs more than crap, and in this world you tend to get what you pay for. Just look up how much friggin chlorella and spirulina cost alone.

I use Fit Vegetable cleaner because I can't afford all my groceries being "organic" or from farmer's markets, and it's amazing what that thing strips away even from decent grocers like Trader Joe's and Sprouts.

And if you eat meat -- and it's not fish -- chances are you're fucked wrt chemicals, et al.
 
My fucking internet went out when I hit reply, and it wouldn't let me get back to copy my reply....anyone know if you can retrieve txt when that happens?(HOW??)

Anyways I'm gonna be briefer.
Organic, natural, locally grown - yes, these things are better than their counterparts, all other things equal.
That said, organic shit is seldom worth the price difference, and most who buy don't even know the types of stuff they should be getting organic (strawberries, for instance).

I could set you up w/ a whole-foods' diet that'd give you a coronary, or get you ready for prime health at mcdonald's.
It sucks because people tend to have zero.f'in.clue about nutrition. The point I'm making is it does NOT matter how 'pure' your food is if you're not getting proper nutrients. Most know jack-shit about them, this thread is proof of that. If you're unaware of your calorie intake relative to your needs, organic is a pointless topic for you. If you're not getting sufficient fats (saturated, omega3's, etc), not getting sufficient amino acids (hint: many don't, and if you're veget/vegan, you're almost certainly deficient here, not a smart thing..), not getting sufficient vits/mins (and not taking too many of those that'd be bad, such as fat-solubles), etc etc, then trust me, organic/natural shouldn't be on your radar.
Once it is, you have to pay an ass-ton more, and half the time it's for no reason. It's a gas drawing packaging for organic/natural products, you do know there's ZERO 'rules' for when I can write 'natural' on a product, right? You do know I can plaster the word "organic" on something w/ only a couple parts of it being organic, right? Organic's rules are tigher, and getting further, but 'natural' is still hilarious (from advertisers'/smart consumers' perspectives, anyways). If you're avoiding the complete diet you should be getting because of anything like organic, non-gmo, etc, you're doing yourself harm.
Re GMO's (genetically modified organisms, in this case GM'd foods), first off understand you don't even know most of the products they're in. Hint, a TON of what you eat. The jury's still out on gm's, aspartame, and all that stuff, not that it had much to do w/ this thread, but since it went there, I've gotta say aanallien's right and it sucks because there's far too few who understand nutrition, and so many think they eat well (while they really eat like shit) because of how "healthy" their average meal is.

@Kam, there are chemicals, but one is not 'fucked'. Elaborate if you'd like tho.
/re "if it's not fish", I'm on the gulf right now - should I eat organic, locally grown shrimp, or a standard, non-organic steak? (consider fat types and levels to be identical, as well as calories and macro's - just for example's sake ;P )
 
"That said, organic shit is seldom worth the price difference"

How do you put a dollar on your health?

I suppose it's a matter of priorities. I don't have a higher priority than my health.
 
You do put a dollar on your health. It comes down to the point where we must consider diminishing returns. Let's say, as an extreme example, that in your specific case, to eat what you consider 'acceptable', you had to sacrifice *every* other luxury in your life - would you do it?
(that's just a thought-experiment. To be honest w/ you, if you're of the mindset of "how do you put a dollar on your health?", you MUST be striving to be very well off financially, since health is not just diet, it's healthcare, time for activities(training for them if needed), and lower-stress living. We should all try to maximize our health, but to deny a law of diminishing returns is significantly at play when these considerations (gm's, organics) are brought up is silly. Many would be better off buying the cheaper stuff, and w/ the money saved they can work a couple less hours that week, allowing them to learn more about basic nutrition - that'll affect their health far more than an organic v non-org piece of <anything> )
 
KamMoye said:
I suppose it's a matter of priorities. I don't have a higher priority than my health.
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And I really hope this was a bit of a misspeak on your end. If it's true, and no offense or anything, but if true that's an absurdly selfish, short-sighted mindset IMO. Just being all about yourself - even in superficial ways - is ugly, if one doesn't have a higher purpose in life than nurturing their body, they're really missing out and, imo again, really not doing much useful for the planet :/
 
KamMoye said:
"That said, organic shit is seldom worth the price difference"

How do you put a dollar on your health?

I suppose it's a matter of priorities. I don't have a higher priority than my health.
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If it's eventually scientifically proven that organic is healthier then I might consider buying it. Until then I'm not shelling out a bunch more money for a fancy label.

It's also good for your health to not drink alcohol, smoke tobacco, take drugs, or let yourself become dehydrated. Wonder how many people will pay 50% more for some organic item w/ some unsupported claim to improved health but won't bother to do any of those other things?
 
Like the people who get a diet coke w/ their triple big mac? ;P

(and remember, a lil alcohol is actually beneficial ;) ).

I think it should be stated: it is virtually impossible for people w/ high metabolism to bulk/gain muscle on a vegan diet, or if they've got a preoccupation w/ avoiding non-organics.
 
Basically comes down to eating more than you are comfortable with. If you normally have a 1 sandwich, eat two, and a big glass of milk. Might be difficult but you will grow and get used to eating more. Oats are a great healthy way to add calories, you can even grind em in a coffee grinder or just use a blend-tec and make pretty calorie-dense shakes with this, milk, and some protein.
 
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