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Opioids best way to get off oxy/heroin?

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Jabberwocky

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bro finally agreed to get help for his addiction. is it better just to suck it up and go cold turkey? or should he go the subox route?



i said suck it up n get it over with
 
It really depends on your length of addiction and if you've tried and failed in the past with other options. Either way, I wish you luck with your recovery...
 
Subutex then Suboxone. Those are your best bet. Methadone if all else fails. I'm in MMT and think its very addicting. It lasts for so long, gets you a buzz.

for a buzz-MMT
for serious-Suboxone

If you can get high off 4 10mg percs then just quit and take some benzos and smoke hella weed for a few days .
 
How bad is his habit? Depending on his daily usage is what really matters. Quitting cold turkey is good if you can handle it but don't be fooled after the week of hell you will still feel like shit for a good 6 months to a year until you REALLY feel 100%. Read up on P.A.W.S...

If you go the substitute route (methadone, suboxone, subutex) your in for a whole different battle. Just know it could be years before you ever get fully sober off of these substitutes. The benefit is though you won't have to feel the WD's of a quick detox.

I'm on methadone maintenance and I've tried all these routes for me personally when I kicked cold turkey I was more likely to relapse just because my tolerance was back to zero and I still felt like shit 5 months after the detox.

With methadone and subs it gives me a chance to live a normal life and it takes away the cravings and if I screw up and use I don't even feel it and I don't have to feel dope sick the next day

If you don't have a strong program or support AA OR NA or a therapist neither will work..
I use methadone as a net to catch me if I slip up because without it if I slip up while sober I have to worry about getting dope sick again and starting the circle all over again


Just my 2 cents it's been a long battle I'm still fighting good luck
 
If his habit is serious...... than just like ta2demon said...SUBOXONE.....for sure.
Simple as that.(along with strong family/friend support).
Peace out.
 
I personally would recommend a gradual taper and try not to substitute his doc for anything else, even if its a relatively benign opiod such as bup.
 
if you can stand cold turkey then go for it, but an addict like me couldnt do it. anyone who's tolerance isnt sky high or have taking them for years should give cold turkey a try, if not you will have to get put on mdone or suboxone to be able to function at all,... good luck
 
Cold turkey.. it's hard as hell but I've done it all (Sub, Methadone, Tapering, etc.).. nothing has kept me away as much as quitting cold turkey. You kind of get a rush just thinking about the days you've been clean. With Suboxone I'd end up staying 'clean' for a couple weeks then I'd stop the sub and get high for a week. I'd recommend Methadone over Sub for the stability.. I felt 1000x better on 'done than sub.
I had a pretty massive tolerance/habit with Oxy for two years.. I can't say I've stayed 100% clean after getting of CT but I've been doing well. The withdrawls really suck dick but you have to go through it at some point.
Good luck.
 
^I can second that.

Im using suboxone and over a year have came down from 4mg to .5 mg per day....which is real progress....on the otherhand I do tend to use opiates once every few weeks and it has been a year (little over, ive been riding that "a year" thing for months now) since I "Started quitting".
 
Cold turkey.. it's hard as hell but I've done it all (Sub, Methadone, Tapering, etc.).. nothing has kept me away as much as quitting cold turkey. You kind of get a rush just thinking about the days you've been clean. With Suboxone I'd end up staying 'clean' for a couple weeks then I'd stop the sub and get high for a week. I'd recommend Methadone over Sub for the stability.. I felt 1000x better on 'done than sub.
I had a pretty massive tolerance/habit with Oxy for two years.. I can't say I've stayed 100% clean after getting of CT but I've been doing well. The withdrawls really suck dick but you have to go through it at some point.
Good luck.



Good advice, whenever i quit i do it cold turkey and i found it to be the best way so far.
 
OP- what is/was his daily habit like?
how long was he using for?
has he previously tried any methods to quit?
does he actually want to quit or is it more that he has to for some reason(s).


these factors will help determine his best course of action.
i personally would suggest trying to go cold turkey before anything else. i say this because with methadone//suboxone he will basically be trading one addiction for another if he plans to use it for maintenance. before everyone freaks out about that last statement, i am well aware and completely understand that for some people this is truly their only option. however, i use suboxone and often feel that i am lying to myself about being clean. methadone//suboxone can also be used for a quick detox, which i feel is the best way to utilize them, it can take years to get off of either substitutes. another issue with using methadone//suboxone, is cheating. many people feel that they can cheat whenever they want because they have the methadone//suboxone to fall back on following a binge. in my opinion, this only makes matters worse in the long run. don't get me wrong, i am currently using suboxone to free myself from my oxycodone addiction- but i often take suboxone for a few days and then binge on oxycodone, and start over with the suboxone. this is a bad thing because i don't experience any negative repercussions from my using.

if he does plan to give cold turkey a go, he should speak with his//a doctor and try to get clonidine and maybe even a small//short script for a benzodiazepine (such as lorazepam). the clonidine will help with blood pressure fluctuation, chills//sweats, RLS, and aches. the benzodiazepine will help with anxiety//depression, insomnia, and the overall shitty mood that comes along with withdrawals. however, i say a small//short script so he does not end up with a dependency which can be even more devastating that an opiate addiction. i would not use benzos consistently for more than five days and would only take them sparingly. many doctors are hesitant or unwilling to prescribe benzos for detox//withdrawal purposes because of the risks, so if he does ask for them, i suggest asking for only 1, maybe 2 weeks worth.
some over-the-counter products to stock up on would be loperamide (immodium) to help with stomach cramps, diarrhea, and body aches. an antihistamine (such as benadryl) to help with watery eyes, runny nose, and chills. a sleep aid (5-htp, melatonin, valerian root) if he is unable to obtain a benzodiazepine prescription. excedrin back & body is great for muscle aches, but any anti-inflammatory/NSAID will come in handy- and muscle creams such as icey-hot are good to have around as well. taking a daily multi-vitamin is good practice too.

some general things to keep in mind are to stay hydrated. being dehydrated will make anyone feel like crap in general and cause muscle cramps//aches, so it's essential to drink a lot of water//juice//gatorade during withdrawals. try to eat fruits//veggies. eating can be difficult during the first few days, but eating as much healthy stuff as possible will help a lot. it will provide vitamins and minerals that the body needs to feel better. exercise! maybe not in the first couple days, but as soon as he can stand it. this will also help with aches, but the main thing with exercise is to get natural chemicals flowing- like dopamine- which will make him feel a whole lot better. lastly, get as much sleep as possible. insomnia during withdrawals reeks havoc on the body and is one of the main reasons he will feel so awful while withdrawing. the more sleep the better, as it will rejuvenate his body, put him in a better mood, and make him feel better overall.

after trying cold turkey, if he feels that he absolutely can't bear it anymore or ends up relapsing. then i would recommend suboxone over methadone. i know this was a long post, but i hope it helps. if you can, get back to us with some more detailed information about his addiction so we can further help you. good luck to him and i hope it all works out. remember, we at bluelight are always here to help you with support and advice!
 
Methadone is way worse to come off of then oxy/heroin.


Really?

When on subutex, I used at EVERY opportunity, constantly thought about using and continued to hang out with junkies. I started smoking a lot of crack.

Methadone has turned my life around. I haven't used (anything) for a LOOOOOONG time. I don't think about using. I've finished my masters degree, and passed with a *very* good grade. I've got a beautiful girlfreind - who I now live with (and she has NEVER taken drugs) and go to (good) job interviews weekly.

Methadone has given me my life back - subutex just held me 'till I got the next £10.

Every other user I know that has tried sub has said the same.

Seriously, I was a really dirty junky. So dirty - I even tried hanging myself on 2 occasions because I couldn't bear to see my reflection I looked so bad. Methadone has made me proud to be me.

When I hear subutex being called a "miracle drug" I fucking belly laugh.
 
Kratom = lol


I take it you've never been addicted to smack?

If you had - you wouldn't be making such ridiculous posts.
 
Kratom = lol


I take it you've never been addicted to smack?

If you had - you wouldn't be making such ridiculous posts.

I find the transition from heroin to kratom to be fairly painless.

If your kratom is of high quality it can help you get off powerful opiates.It did for me and I had been battling an opiate addiction for years. I honestly don't think you have much experience with kratom, otherwise you wouldn't be making such a ridiculous post. Just because something didn't work for you doesn't mean it won't for someone else.

To the OP, I'd give kratom a shot before going on Buprenorphine or Methadone.

That is, if your not willing to go cold turkey.
 
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