Best utopic daily cocktail?

[Psylex]

Hey folks, i'm already experienced in a wide variety of substances (never had a badtrip in my life), and these days i'm very devoted to tripping. I'm wondering, on a daily basis what combination of drugs would be the both the most fullfilling and the safest for your body. Usually i'm a daily weed smoker, coffe drinker, i also calm myself with hydroxyzine (mild sedative)... up to there, even if i can do less, i consider myself not to unhealthy (with hygiene and sport). i also like to do Dxm (or k) once per week maximum, not too bad, and sometimes codeine. All the rest isn't frequent because hard to find for me, even though i would love for special occasions more lsd, speed, mdma, even coke. And generally speaking, out of everything, i reckon Dmt would be the most fullfilling, helpful and actually boosting drug in your life on a long term basis , ahhh one day i'll manage to put my hand on it (to interact with machine-elves), i'm was astonished when i found out that DMT/ayahuasca can somewhat cure harsh psychological addictions (cocaine/opiates).

Anyways, i'm having a very mild physical depression at the moment (unusually seeing everything as "shit" and useless and feeling threathened by reality without being shy), my only cure to that is going to be doing more sport. But i also want a temporary HIGHLY motivating daily(day/night)+weekly chemical cocktail for the 3 next weeks that stays wholesome and, if possible, not too addictive. Any imaginative thoughts? 8(

I've already got a few ideas : daytime Nootropics/caffeine/vitamins + occasionnal speed (pure motivation and efficiency for uni) with nightime Benzos + cannabis (important soothing) and on weekends : occasionnal dxm/k or codeine or mushrooms ( i believe switching between several drugs is a good way of not falling into addiction) .... and at very special times i could allow myself a candy-flipping (lsd+mdma/E) but i'd rather keep that for vacation or later on in my life, same with dmt and even more with cocaine/meth/crack... and i don't think i'll ever be ready for speedballing, iv opiates,etc. (hm maybe if i've got a few years to eventually manage it)

I'm open to all suggestions for my 3 week (sensible!) transhumanist mental boost !!!

 

[allegator]

You might think you have a handle on your drug use but from an outside perspective (i.e. me reading your post) you don't. If you are feeling down and unmotivated when not using drugs that speaks volumes about how they have had an effect on your brain. There is a difference between being healthy and being "healthy".

I can give you recommendations on safe stimulating combos you can take and enjoy but any pyschoactive drug will only exasberate your "physical depression" as you put it.

If you choose to continue on the path you are on and want help destroying yourself safely just post again and I'll reply with some short term safe ideas, if you want help understanding how different drugs effect your brain I would be much more interested in replying with some awesome articles which cover all sorts of cool topics.

 

[Psylex]

Your post would have been a bit more usefull if you had pointed out exactly what drugs are eventually physically "destroying" me at this present time. Because i have seen a lot worse than my case : only 4 months of daily cannabis, 1 year of daily cigarettes/coffee, and dxm every 2 weeks for a few months, (all the other drugs i mentionned : i either never had them or only used them less than 5 times), nothing else in my life. My main issue is just a temporary lack of motivation : it's so mild that i can cure it with sport and very good nutrition and getting a new routine.

 

[allegator]

Why is this my responsibility as opposed to yours? I know the positives and negatives of taking all sorts of drugs and the best way to help those who use them. I know how to help people but it is people like you who refuse help which makes it hard to help the majority.

 

[mgrady3]

: it's so mild that i can cure it with sport and very good nutrition and getting a new routine.

why do you need the drugs then?!
It loos like you've got a pretty good handle on things - eating healthy, staying hydrated, getting good exercise for the body and mind should be doing wonders.

You don't have to look for some new drug cocktail to help you feel better, there's other ways to do that.
In light of harm reduction, even if you think your drug use is controlled (I'm making no judgement about that, its worthwhile to pursue non drug related solutions to your (mental)health first.

 

[Psylex]

mgrady3 : One doctor suggested a treatment with antidepressants but i was actually looking for a shorter alternative (relatively safe combinations in automedication).

allegator : Did i refuse help or ANY advice? No, i made this thread to collect of few tips on this pretty wide ranged topic. I just think it's too easy to judge without explaining why, especially when you're now telling me you know a few things about drugs... i don't get your point, and neither why i'm making it harder for anyone when i haven't done any harm here.

 

[mgrady3]

have you considered taking a break from weed?
I often think weed makes a great anti-depressant but more as a short term fix -like you're having a bad day and you get home form work, sometimes smoking a bowl just totally lightens the mood and lifts the spirits. It doesn't cure any underlying problems however and in the long term can sometimes just make things even worse. Perhaps taking a break from daily smoking could help you; its worth a try.
Often lifestyle changes can be just as effective as mood enhancers as any rx antidepressant like SSRI or SNRI in the long term. That's not to say SSRIs or SNRIs won't work for you but its worth considering alternatives even in non drug form

Other than that I can think of some herbal/otc supplements that can be used to lift the spirits - St. John's wort, 5-HTP, Ginseng, multi-vitamins, choline supplements, S-Adenosyl-Methionine, valerian, fresh lavender( seriously just smell it!) then make some tea with it, kava kava...

Valerian and Kava would both help more during night time when mild sedation ins't an issue rather than during the work day

 

[Psylex]

Yeah i should probably try to push my pot addiction back to only weekly... but i'll have to balance the temporary "mental withdrawal" with something too (even if it's only for a few days)... any ideas? (maybe a bit of xanax (i will be on half a mg a day..) and coffee, cigarettes, since i've always been reasonable with cigs for a smoker : never more than 7 a day).

I know choline is used in addition of nootropics like piractemam, etc... i'm gonna give your list a little research, thanks.

 

[Alex000]

Okay, I don't know what or what you don't have access to, but there a number of ways to medicate yourself for what you are describing, which seems like depression and anxiety. I must say, though, some of the more effective drugs for these conditions are extremely addictive. Your cannabis use could have cause some lack of motivation, and promote anxiety, but at the same time it can be soothing as you said. Because you are accustomed to smoking cannabis daily, I see know real reason not to. Since you do use codeine from time to time, I might suggest that to be taken a few times a day for a few weeks, but I don't know your tolerance so I can't say how much. I recommend this because you do have experience with codeine, and while opiates are arguably the most addictive drugs, they can work wonders on depression and anxiety in all ways. Opiates can get you out of bed and ready for the day, and mellow you out at the same time. They provide great mood lift, and anxiety relief, which in my opinion is superior to that of benzos. If you do decide to elect codeine as your primary drug to medicate with, I strongly advise you do a semi-slow taper after these 3 weeks, so that you aren't thrown into opiate wd's which are horrible, and so you don't have the desire to relapse as much. Even with the taper of the codeine, getting off will likely be a challenge psychologically, and possibly physically. You might feel some worsened depression through the taper, and the few days after it, but like I said it would be effective in what you are trying to accomplish. Seriously, opiates are extremely addictive, and not many people would recommend medicating your depression and anxiety with them, but it is only a few weeks. Be careful if you choose this route.

Another option is low-dose DXM for three weeks, and I mean low dose. You don't want to be going nuts because of the extended doses of DXM, you just want a mood-lift. I suggest maybe 30 - 60 mg every morning, or maybe 30 mg twice a day, once in the morning and the other in the afternoon. This is not really healthy, but not too harmful at low doses, and if only for a few weeks. However, when you stop expect some depression, and possibly anxiety. I suggest DXM, again, because you are familiar with it.

Benzos will help with your anxiety, and possibly your depression, but benzo dependence forms easily, and the risks might not be worth it. Benzos might make you more apathetic and unmotivated, and you don't want this, but they might not. I can't really say how they would effect you. Taking a low-dose benzo as needed for anxiety or sleep would be fine, but I wouldn't I advise you consume them daily for a few weeks. You could, I mean, it could help, but do a taper at the end of those 3 weeks to ease the wd symptoms, and prevent wd anxiety. 3 weeks on benzos wouldn't form horrible dependence, but you would likely be anxious coming off them.

Amphetamines would help quite well initially, but can quickly become less effective, and unpleasant to comedown from every day. Using them as needed is fine, but I wouldn't everyday. Just don't mix amphetamines and DXM.

Really be careful, you asked for a "utopic" cocktail, so I came up with some ideas, just ideas. These drugs are very addictive, and that should be a concern of yours. I hope you will use them responsibly. Remember the dangers of mixing benzos and opiates, so only use a low dose of a benzo if you are combining. Again, don't mix DXM and amphetamines, potentially very dangerous. I would not mix DXM with opiates, either, but it is not really that dangerous, I just don't see the point. Mixing and matching is fine, again, just safely, and in low doses. Know what you are doing. Keep up the other healthy activities that you like, they will serve you well in conjunction to the drugs. Best of luck, Alex.

 

[Psylex]

Cheers for understanding the expression "utopic". If you're still here, i'd like your opinion on some dosages though : exactly tonight has been the last time i've done codeine in like 4 months and while having no opiate tolerance i just did 300 mgs in order to catch small high for a few hours... when you'd suggest opiates to me, did you mean a dosage to actually have a nice small trip (like weed) that would give me an equivalent but better therapeutic mental boost at the beginning of the day? Cause i've rarely had codeine and but it looks like i'd need 400 mgs or more to motivate me (i gotta check if the other ingredients in the pills can be proccessed at that dosage). Does codeine tolerance build fast considering nothing to 400 mgs a day? And, isn't Dxm an opiate potentiator? Or is there any cross-tolerances between dxm and codeine? Caffeine might help me too but i don't know its effects with opiates.

And yes, i could do quite nice, in terms of gettin things done, with occasionnal amphetamines (gonna see for non toxic/brain-exhausting dosage). And i never tried small dxm use, hahah, i'm always travelling at 3rd or 2nd plateaus.. with my (weekly) tolerance i might not quite feel it but i'll take it into consideration.

As for benzos... Xanax hasn't got much effect on it's own... on the other hand, xanax plus weed/hash gets you done softly for the evening... maybe if i don't smoke during daytime my motivation might change too... but on another hand codeine + weed is quite motivational too

Ketamine on weekends?

 

[Alex000]

Cheers for understanding the expression "utopic". If you're still here, i'd like your opinion on some dosages though : exactly tonight has been the last time i've done codeine in like 4 months and while having no opiate tolerance i just did 300 mgs in order to catch small high for a few hours... when you'd suggest opiates to me, did you mean a dosage to actually have a nice small trip (like weed) that would give me an equivalent but better therapeutic mental boost at the beginning of the day? Cause i've rarely had codeine and but it looks like i'd need 400 mgs or more to motivate me (i gotta check if the other ingredients in the pills can be proccessed at that dosage). Does codeine tolerance build fast considering nothing to 400 mgs a day? And, isn't Dxm an opiate potentiator? Or is there any cross-tolerances between dxm and codeine? Caffeine might help me too but i don't know its effects with opiates.

And yes, i could do quite nice, in terms of gettin things done, with occasionnal amphetamines (gonna see for non toxic/brain-exhausting dosage). And i never tried small dxm use, hahah, i'm always travelling at 3rd or 2nd plateaus.. with my (weekly) tolerance i might not quite feel it but i'll take it into consideration.

As for benzos... Xanax hasn't got much effect on it's own... on the other hand, xanax plus weed/hash gets you done softly for the evening... maybe if i don't smoke during daytime my motivation might change too... but on another hand codeine + weed is quite motivational too

Ketamine on weekends?

If you choose to use the codeine, I would recommend a dose that would get you feeling good. I do not know your opiate tolerance exactly, but whatever amount gets you feeling good, go with that, or if you want slightly lower. You can dose several times throughout the day. I would just make sure you aren't consuming too much APAP if the pills contain APAP. If they do contain APAP, I would look into doing a CWE (cold water extraction), to significantly reduce the APAP while keeping most of the codeine from the pills. There are many sources as to how you should CWE, so all you would have to do would be to look that up. But, yeah, really be careful you aren't consuming too much APAP. Since it will only be for a few weeks, your liver won't suffer much unless you exceed like 3 grams of APAP a day or drink while using. Tolerance to opiates builds up fairly quickly in some ways, but slowly in others. For example you might become very quickly tolerant to the euphoric effects, while the constipation may never go away. But, yes, the euphoric effects of opiates fade quickly with daily use.

As for DXM with opiates, it can help to potentiate opiates if you take it along with them, but I don't know how that would effect the metabolization of codeine or DXM, so that is why I kind of advise against it. DXM, low dose, can help to lower opiate tolerance if taken daily. In fact, DXM is an opioid, something few people really recognize.

Caffeine is fine, it won't counter any of the beneficial effects of opiates unless you are taking big doses. Caffeine is rather anxiety-provoking for some people, but I am not one of them. I'd advise to stick to your normal caffeine intake. Besides increased wakefulness and warding off sleep, caffeine has few benefits, really.

Amphetamines can be useful, of course. Use them sparingly, and don't mix with DXM.

Benzos are fine if you need them here or there, in low to moderate doses, for anxiety or insomnia or what not. I just wouldn't advise taking larger doses if you are going to be taking codeine to avoid too much CNS depression.

I'd only suggest a little ketamine if you want to, but be careful taking it with some of the other drugs.

With weed, use as you see fit.

Again, beware of addiction, be careful, and have fun.

 

[Lady Codone]

My utopian combo would go smtg. like this:

Morning--stimulant (4-FA, ethylphenidate, 2-FMA or something else readily available to me)
Afternoon--re-dose morning stim
Evening--add a low dose of an opiate (codeine, hydrocodone), re-dose stim
Add a low dose of a psychedelic to liven up things (preferably 4-HO-MET/4-AcO-MET
Sleepy time

Everything in low doses, nothing IV'd or smoked, and no strenuous activities while high. Not "healthy", but far from the health crisis many people purport it to be.

 

[NeighborhoodThreat]

I am of the opinion that if you're going to be taking stimulants every day ("RCs", caffeine, Rx amphetamines with a long track record, street methamphetamine or cocaine, anything really), you should seriously consider taking a full-spectrum supplement stack daily and have your cardiovascular system checked out by a professional on a regular basis.