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Best time to smoke Herion after smoking ice

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As a once off for Christmas i'm smoking some ice. I've smoked ice a few times and for the come down I always smoke some heroin if I can. Usually I have the ice at about 11 pm and smoke the heroin at about 6 pm the next night. This is because I have to organise getting the heroin. I spend the day with a killer headache However this time I will have the Heroin available to smoke as soon as I want. How long should I wait to smoke the heroin? Obviously this is a question about having the best experience and not so much a harm minimisation. Although i'm not shooting up just smoking

I am not addicted to either heroin or ice. I smoke heroin every couple of months but have not used ice since 2010 so I hope it's a good experience
 
Assuming you have a reasonably small quantity of each drug and don't plan to go on some rampaging binge, just smoke your ice until you run out, then smoke the heroin once the comedown from the ice kicks in.
 
Smoking... well you'd need to smoke a bit more vs IV but respiratory depression and death is an issue. Anyone recall junkiescum's OD on PST? If I recall his GF shot him full of meth... problem is that won't stop the depressed respiratory effect opiates cause. Only a drug like Naltrexone will do that.
 
lovepsychadelics said:
. Anyone recall junkiescum's OD on PST? If I recall his GF shot him full of meth... problem is that won't stop the depressed respiratory effect opiates cause. Only a drug like Naltrexone will do that.
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Bit off topic but could someone use suboxone to treat an opiate overdose?

Obviously not ideal - ringing for an ambulance should be the first thing you do if the person is breathing and laying on their side.
 
Captain Brewster said:
There's not much point to plugging diaz.

The BA for oral usage is perfect for thier use.

And mixing opiates with benzos can be a recipe for death, tread carefully combining.
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Well there is a point, not a sharp one, however it will go up your bum! Seriously though Cpt. Brewster is 100% on this don't mix opiates and benzo's to come down from meth. Like my previous posts indicate this could be fatal.

Christ!: No suboxone will not stop an OD to the best of my knowledge. It contains more opiates which compete for receptor sites with the Naltrexone. Add the fact your already full of opiates to the point of ODing... well Probably made my point. lol.
 
Christ!: No suboxone will not stop an OD to the best of my knowledge. It contains more opiates which compete for receptor sites with the Naltrexone. Add the fact your already full of opiates to the point of ODing... well Probably made my point. lol.
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I've never experimented and I don't recommend experimenting, but theoretically I would think that it would stop an OD (except maybe in the case of something like fentanyl or one of it's still more potent analogues), assuming the individual in question has a moderate tolerance and no other downers in the system. ODing on suboxone is pretty difficult with even the slightest tolerance (assuming no other downers in the system), as I understand it, and the bupe would knock all the H/whatever off the individuals receptors and throw them into precipitated withdrawal, which I would think would wake them up pretty quickly.. They might not be awfully grateful though, naloxone wears off after 2 hours or so, but suboxone lasts for at least 24.

Definitely a risky proposition though.

Ugh, just typing out the words 'precipitated withdrawal' makes my skin crawl. If your life and health aren't reason enough for you to be careful taking opiates, then the threat of being woken up out of an OD with a shot of naloxone bloody well should be.
 
Crankinit said:
as I understand it, and the bupe would knock all the H/whatever off the individuals receptors and throw them into precipitated withdrawal, which I would think would wake them up pretty quickly.. They might not be awfully grateful though, naloxone wears off after 2 hours or so, but suboxone lasts for at least 24.
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Those were my thoughts as well. Definitely not planning on trying it out anytime soon :P just something I've always wondered about.

I found a woman who had overdosed and vomited/was unconscious in the city a few months ago...called for an ambulance and stuck around while they were treating her - the naloxone didn't take effect as quick as I thought it would but she was up and about (and PISSED) after about 5 minutes. Was such an obvious opiate overdose...needle still in her arm. She cussed me and the ambulance crew out so hard.

They don't give out naloxone as a HR thing in Australia do we? Always seemed like a good idea to me.
 
I found a woman who had overdosed and vomited/was unconscious in the city a few months ago...called for an ambulance and stuck around while they were treating her - the naloxone didn't take effect as quick as I thought it would but she was up and about (and PISSED) after about 5 minutes. Was such an obvious opiate overdose...needle still in her arm. She cussed me and the ambulance crew out so hard.
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If they used an IM injection or nasal spray, it would take a few minutes to kick in. IV it would have woken her up instantly, unless they dosed her slowly. It sucks that she was so rude to the people trying to help her, but it would have been a nasty shock for her too, although that doesn't excuse her behavior. It's a shame a relatively small percentage of the population give opiate users a bad name.


They don't give out naloxone as a HR thing in Australia do we? Always seemed like a good idea to me.
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No they don't, but yeah it is a good idea. They've started programs for it in the US after all the oxy kids swapped to H when the OP's came out, but I don't think it's really on the agenda here, with the media so busy fear-mongering over meth.
 
DO NOT mix benzos and opiates evar, evar (I know, I've broken this rule many many times, but it was stupid and I knew it and didnt care, because i was addicted to heroin..and I had a fairly decent benzo tolerance as well)
its best not to try opiates to ease speed comedowns IME. I tried several times and every time I shot dope till I ran out of money and I was still wired by the end. One time I can remember shooting 2 bundles in about 10 minutes and STILL being wired about 15 minutes after I was done. for reference, 2 bundles is 20 bags of heroin, my usual shot that I did every night was 5 bags and sometimes I'd shoot another 1-3 bags right after the 5 bag shot, so between 5-8 bags would get me high as shit, unable to keep my eyes open all that, and due to speed I did more than DOUBLE the max I'd do to get high, and didnt get shit aside from the initial rush.
dont waste your dope.
 
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Seems suboxone can halt an OD. However if one uses on top of suboxone and takes benzo's, drinks booze well you will probably fuck up. The following is a crappy quote/direct lift and probably total playgiarism but WTF?

J Opioid Manag. Author manuscript; available in PMC May 4, 2012.
Published in final edited form as:
J Opioid Manag. 2012 Jan-Feb; 8(1): 63–66.
PMCID: PMC3343634
NIHMSID: NIHMS371729

Intravenous use of illicit buprenorphine/naloxone to reverse an acute heroin overdose

Michael A. Yokell, ScB, Nickolas D. Zaller, PhD, Traci C. Green, PhD, MSc, Michelle McKenzie, MPH, and Josiah D. Rich, MD, MPH
Author information ► Copyright and License information ►
See other articles in PMC that cite the published article.

Abstract:

A case of heroin overdose reversed through the intravenous (IV) administration of a crushed sublingual tablet of buprenorphine/naloxone (Suboxone®) by a lay responder is described. Although the sublingual administration of buprenorphine/naloxone to reverse an overdose has been reported elsewhere, this is the first report of IV administration. HEALTHCARE professionals should be aware that injection drug users may respond to an opioid overdose by injecting buprenorphine/naloxone and should consequently counsel all opioid-using patients on the proper response to an overdose. Physicians should also consider prescribing naloxone to at-risk patients. The work of community-based naloxone distribution programs should be expanded.
 
However the same article states:
Indeed, IV administration of buprenorphine/naloxone introduced more opioids to the victim’s body and put the victim at risk for complications from the non-sterile injection of a medication that is intended for sublingual administration. Additionally, if the overdose victim had been under the influence of any other central nervous system depressants, such as benzodiazepines, the addition of buprenorphine to the patient’s system could have exacerbated the overdose event.2
 
Crankinit said:
"I found a woman who had overdosed and vomited/was unconscious in the city a few months ago...called for an ambulance and stuck around while they were treating her - the naloxone didn't take effect as quick as I thought it would but she was up and about (and PISSED) after about 5 minutes. Was such an obvious opiate overdose...needle still in her arm. She cussed me and the ambulance crew out so hard."

If they used an IM injection or nasal spray, it would take a few minutes to kick in. IV it would have woken her up instantly, unless they dosed her slowly. It sucks that she was so rude to the people trying to help her, but it would have been a nasty shock for her too, although that doesn't excuse her behavior. It's a shame a relatively small percentage of the population give opiate users a bad name.

"They don't give out naloxone as a HR thing in Australia do we? Always seemed like a good idea to me."

No they don't, but yeah it is a good idea. They've started programs for it in the US after all the oxy kids swapped to H when the OP's came out, but I don't think it's really on the agenda here, with the media so busy fear-mongering over meth.
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Yes they do, here in Victoria. I have recently completed a "Naloxone Training Program" at Access Health, St Kilda. They show you a couple of presentations, discuss the use of naloxone, and give each attendee 5 single-use syringes (for IM use) of naloxone free of charge. It's a great initiative!
 
^I've never heard of that, good stuff. Hopefully it spreads to other states.
 
Yes I overdoesd on poppy seed tea.but i did have a large ammount of Xanax the day before. went to bed threw up in my sleep breathed in the spew. was breathing 30-40% for 6 hours plus when my girlfriend found me I was injected with like half a point of meth.ambos came and took me to hospitable.I was in a induced coma for 2 days they told my girlfriend and dad that I had a less than 50% chance of living and even less than 50% of living without brain damage.i was in intensive care for another 3 days and then was in the medical ward for another 3 days.....the worst part was the cathader or how ever u spell it...moral of the story BE CAREFUL WITH OPIATES AND KNOW YOUR LIMITS AND DONT PUSH THEM!!!
 
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