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Best Therapeutic Psychyedelic?

Do you even know what you are asking about? "Therapeutic" ... "therapeutic" as in what? What are you looking for?

Most recreational drugs are not therapeutic, they are more for entertainment or discovery of new ways of thinking. You can try to translate these experiences into an increased level of positivity for your state of mind in sobriety, but again "therapeutic" is such a broad word... be more specific and you might get better answers rather than the large number of drugs people have already tossed your way.
 
sonnyblack793 said:
how about methylone? i heard its almost the same in terms of effects?
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methylone is not quite the same as mdma - its kinda like mdma-light. i would definitely think it would have some therapeutic effects though... mdma would be just a tad better. (personally, i grew to like methylone as much or maybe more than mdma - but nothing will ever beat my first mdma experience)

methoxetamine in lower doses might be good also - and like others have mentioned mushrooms or 4-aco-dmt is good. (even better would be a 4-aco-dmt trip with a small dose of mxe at the tail end.)
 
PsychedelicPeptide said:
Do you even know what you are asking about? "Therapeutic" ... "therapeutic" as in what? What are you looking for?

Most recreational drugs are not therapeutic, they are more for entertainment or discovery of new ways of thinking. You can try to translate these experiences into an increased level of positivity for your state of mind in sobriety, but again "therapeutic" is such a broad word... be more specific and you might get better answers rather than the large number of drugs people have already tossed your way.
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i wrote it in my first posts, therapeutic is probably not the best word, but i think most people know what i mean. I described what i was looking for in my first posts. i do not want to take psychedelics as a therapeutic to treat depression for example.

methylone is not quite the same as mdma - its kinda like mdma-light. i would definitely think it would have some therapeutic effects though... mdma would be just a tad better. personally, i grew to like methylone as much or maybe more than mdma - but nothing will ever beat my first mdma experience
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i think i will try methylone soon, once i had pure MDMA and it was a very nice experience...but i took in a club to party. never saw this stuff again since then
 
cerebral_cortex said:
methylone is not quite the same as mdma - its kinda like mdma-light. i would definitely think it would have some therapeutic effects though... mdma would be just a tad better. (personally, i grew to like methylone as much or maybe more than mdma - but nothing will ever beat my first mdma experience)
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Depends on what the therapeutic goal is. MDMA is better for huge operatic OMG I LOVE EVERY ATOM IN THE UNIVERSE! type experiences, if that is what you are needing.

But if you do enough Methylone (for me 175mg, less for some, more for others) to cross the "threashold" effect and get that big pulse of neurotransmitter release euphoria about 45-60mins in, it can have a major "Weight of the world and all my troubles being lifted from my shoulders" effect. One person I read described it as "a flock of butterflys gently flying out of my chest."
 
Magic Mushrooms - one low dose trip that was pretty funny, but with no magical or lifechanging moments and one bad trip combined with too much Alcohol and Ecstasy, the setting was probably the reason why the trip went bad.
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..I think it was the combination with too much alcohol and ecstasy more than the setting, though I'm sure that played its part. Careful with these kinds of combinations, hippyflipping is safe as long as you don't overdo the MDMA, but adding alcohol to the mix is likely just to make things messy and not so great, if not dangerous.

A recent aMT trip helped me beat my years of intense social anxiety in just one session - so I could say that, but I think what was key, was not the drug itself, but the setting. It was me and one of my best friends at home, fire on, nice music playing, and we just talked through our problems until we worked them all our. Good old therapy, but it was like years of therapy in 16 hours :)

Just a reminder, we don't allow what should I take threads here, I'm going to edit one or two lines out of your post so it's more a comparison of the therapeutic effects than a straight "Which one's for me?" thread :)
 
I'd say, start with an empathogen, you might find what you are looking for right there. If that is the case, then there's no reason to take out the heavy artillery.
 
thanks for all your answers. i think i will start with low to high dose mushrooms and the maybe tryout the 5-MeO-MiPT and AMT ;)
 
sonnyblack793 said:
What would be the most friendly psychedelic experience beside mushrooms?
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Sure they can be wonderous, but kind of at random, horrifying. Mushrooms aren't necessarily "friendly" and are the psychedelic that is most often associated with aggressively confrontational dysphoric experiences, i.e. "bad trips". We don't want to be giving newbies any unrealistic expectations, which could lead to overdosing.
 
OTGee said:
Well it matters what therapeuthic effect but maybe ibogaine if it is for something along those lines(google it). Some people find aMT to be a shit research chemical that is just for wannabe trippers but, I think its an amazing substance with a lot of good inner thoughts and I have definatley had life changing experiences in my trips a good few times. If you are a cannabis smoker and have tried any of the AM synths or JWH's, everytime I have smoked one of these on aMT I have had a profound experience lasting around an hour that provides some great insight. I recommend am 694 + 2201 with aMT, these cannabanoids aren't 100% safe but I and many people have used them occasionally with no apparent side effects.

Also, trying a higher dose would be better, for a good first trip definatley use, magic mushrooms, aMT or low - medium dose acid. I wouldn't go right into Ayahuasca just yet until you have more experience. Psy drugs aren't something you can go into and turn your like around with straight away as chances are you will have a bad trip. It takes multiple tries, time and patience but the journey while looking for this therapy or insight is half the battle. Anyway good luck and im sure someone else might be able to help you out more then me, as im not quite sure what you mean by therapeuthic.
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My friend smoked a blend with am-2201 as the main ingredient, puked violently and had a minor seizure.
 
DwayneHoover said:
Sure they can be wonderous, but kind of at random, horrifying. Mushrooms aren't necessarily "friendly" and are the psychedelic that is most often associated with aggressively confrontational dysphoric experiences, i.e. "bad trips". We don't want to be giving newbies any unrealistic expectations, which could lead to overdosing.
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I'm not a newbie, i took a lowdose lsd, high dose lsa and shrooms. overdosed in combination with ecstasy and alcohol and lowdosed shrooms.
i took every kind of drug you can think of beside heroin, crack and meth. i'm just not a real psychonaut when it comes to psychedelics.

I'm just unsure about shrooms if i take a higher dose and then completely lose the reason why i'm actually tripping during the trip. and lowdoses are pretty unspectecular.

I'm just inexperienced with the RC psychedelics and dont know which would proably the best to start or which i shouldnt even take.

4-ACO-DIPT,4-HO-MIPT, 5-MEO-DMT, 5-MEO-MIPT, 2C-C, 2C-B and AMT
 
As I said, we're not allowed to give you advice on what to take or what not to take, so please steer the discussion away from that or we'll have to close this thread.

This thread should strictly be for comparing therapeutic effects from the different psychedelics in question (or all psychedelics for that matter).

I think all psychedelics can be therapeutic, but to different tendencies, for example aMT gave me very intense empathy and with the help of my friend I battled my problems and got over them - while any 4-sub tryptamine (Mushrooms, 4-AcO-DiPT, 4-AcO-MiPT, 4-AcO-DMT etc) can cause a very rough battle with your self that can help you realise problems you were previously ignorant of, so therapeutic in its own way.
 
^ I agree that while a strong 4-sub tryptamine experience can be very rough, with a good deal of forced ego-dissolution, leading to all sorts of panic ridden worries "Am I dead? Did I just accidentally kill myself? Oh I am such a worthless wretch? How did I mess up my life so bad?" etc, getting through that and back out can definitely make you aware of issues that you have been suppressing. And that is an important part of "therapy."

Alot depends on one's goals... to some "therapy" means the above. For others it's just, they want a little escape and release from the stresses of life, which is entirely different.

Anyway, there's really no saying which is "best" for any given purpose. Pretty much every psychedelic can have the entire range of effects, depending on dose, set, setting, personal history, recent events, etc, unique to the specific moment for the specific individual... from light easy stress-relieving euphoria all the way to total personality dissolving cosmic exploding "OMG I must be dead" experiences.

It's just impossible to rate them for therapeutic effect, almost anything can happen with any one of them (as perusing trip reports will quickly show, every single one has reports ranging from "glowing" to "difficult" to "health crisis"). If you are looking for such guidance, forget it, it doesn't exist, you are asking for "likely results" to be predicted that are impossible to predict. You just have to do alot of reading and make your own hopeful guess of a choice, then make the best of whatever happens, which could be completely different from anything anyone else has ever reported. You making that choice, knowing your situation and your goals, will become PART OF YOUR TRIP. You, your life, your bodily conditions, your current situation, etc etc are 100% unique, and thus so your trip will be. No can really advise on "likely outcome." If they try, chances are high that your results will be very different.
 
sonnyblack793 said:
I'm not a newbie, i took a lowdose lsd, high dose lsa and shrooms. overdosed in combination with ecstasy and alcohol and lowdosed shrooms.
i took every kind of drug you can think of beside heroin, crack and meth. i'm just not a real psychonaut when it comes to psychedelics.

I'm just unsure about shrooms if i take a higher dose and then completely lose the reason why i'm actually tripping during the trip. and lowdoses are pretty unspectecular.

I'm just inexperienced with the RC psychedelics and dont know which would proably the best to start or which i shouldnt even take.

4-ACO-DIPT,4-HO-MIPT, 5-MEO-DMT, 5-MEO-MIPT, 2C-C, 2C-B and AMT
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first one i took was 5-meo-dipt sold as e. It was soooo amazing at a deadmau5 show, really crazy body high, empathy, light visuals, somewhat like rolling but trippier. but after the peak, you still feel wired as fuck which freaked us out when trying to sleep at 7am, still gettin mad CEVs.
 
thoughtsUnThought said:
Dr. Mescaline will help you look in the mirror...
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heheh


ill be posting my 4th Solo Mescaline voyage up sooner or later - sometime next week will be my first dry, and first Peruvian experience.




paint your mirrors black for me.

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how do i find it therapeutic?

i cant explain that yet, erm 'organizing the ware house'
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how i found it therapeutic ;)

in-securities lead to un-warranted self doubt;
envy malice greed distrust hatred.
in which all call to held with~in or acted upon,
the disillusion of ones true inner self - the heart and life(to a cellular state as which we all are of)


and so ive done what toward my own protection ?
now so deserving am i
 
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I found DOC to be excellent for diving into how my mind worked, and believe it would be an excellent compound for this use, but a) be careful with the dose and b) it really is rather long lasting (20-24 hours in total).
 
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