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Best Pill Report Contest?

catfud

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From time to time, I see a particularly outstanding pill report on www.pillreports.com.
One way we can encourage the improvement in quality of reports is to hold a contest. Perhaps we can award a title for the "best pill report".
Even if this idea doesn't fly - it would be good to get a discussion going about what the "best practices" are for reporting on the characteristics of an ecstasy pill and the user's experiences that result.
[ 07 March 2002: Message edited by: catfud ]
 
Cool idea because some of the pillreports are useless however anyone could easily make up a pillreport that sounded brilliant and gave lots of information to see if they won, this of course wouldnt be very helpful to the actual reason why pillreports exists.
I think if pillreports is to be improved so people provide more information then giving people more boxes to put in direct information about the pill and its effects would make people give more info rather than saying "it was a good pill"
 
I think one of the problems with pillreports though is that people post without giving any indication of their experience or tolerance. What's a 'good pill' with loads of warm body rushes (etc.) to one, could be an average or weak pill to another. Then, I suppose the other side to that coin is the fact that you can build up a profile so that people know you're pretty reliable. Still, we've all been in the situation where one or two people are off their faces on the same pills others are sure must be bunk.
 
Well I think extra boxes should be added where people have to put when they last did pills and how many they have taken of this pill, it would be a lot easier for people to use this info for cross referencing.
 
I'd settle for a pill report that was coherant, has a good description, and the poster actually follows the guidelines. Apparently that's asking a lot. Pill reports is mostly useless unless you just want to browse at the new logos coming out.
 
One idea would be to solicit nominations for "Excellent Pill Report" from the existing database - and ones that are outstanding can be placed in a "Hall of Honor" - which you would then link-to from the home page and the reporting standards page.
The idea is that I, as a reporter, could look at several examples of great reports that I can use to follow form. For example, I saw someone use a metric ruler in their pill photo, and I added that to my repertoire.
-- Catfud
 
One thing that is hard to wrap your mind around is that when describing the effects 'less is more'. It is very difficult and irritating to read a report that analyses a roll from every possible angle, and the report just drags on and on and on.
Fortunantly these report often get trimmed for readability.
The main focus of pill reports is for it to act in a harm reduction manner. Using this umbrella we can put a framework in place on what defines a good report. I'll put the main points in order of importance.
First of all - the pill discription must be as total and detailed as can be made. If you look at the posting guidelines there is a large section on this. Time and time again two similar pills will come out and confusion rains supreme - a detail such as 'the star had 6 points' means a hell of a different when there is also one with 5 points. Try looking up 'white star' in the Australian forum for an example of this. It took a while before people started defining the star correctly. Of course, a good picture also helps.
Secondly - a test result
Thirdly - suspected contents.
If you have at least these three then there is enough information to post a decend report. You don't have to consume the pill or write any description of effects. The Harm Reduction focus dictates there is enough information already for a good report. The all important "if it doesn't turn black - throw it back" test has just been answered.
Everything else after this point makes up 20% of the useful information.
Fourth - a rating that matches the duration and type of effects. Many users don't realise that the rating system (as flawed as it is but thats another topic for discussion) is a bit deeper than how much you enjoyed a pill. To achieve a higher rating certain aspects have to be met. A pill with a peak of 3 hours does NOT get a 9/10. It gets a 7-8. More information about this can be seen from the pillreports.com front page.
Fifth <--- (notice this is last in order!) The description of effects. Let me quote the most relevent part of the posting guideline, this will give us a... uhh guideline on what is to go here.
"Be clinical in your descriptions of effects. Avoid jargon phrases where possible and put some thought into your descriptions"
This leaves a bit of scope, although sometimes a bit too much and the user ends up writing a long story and everyone has to pick through it all to get the appropriate information. Relevent bits that go here are (not all inclusive): come up and duration times, adverse after effects, any factors that may have influenced the experience (poly drug use etc), if more than 1 of the same pill was consumed, similarity to another pill (eg a line of same press/same effect pills from the same source), and any other appropriate effect description.
These guidelines apply for a typical MDMA pill. Of course things get a bit different if reporting on something that is not MDMA but may be Speed, Ketamine, PMA etc, and there is provisioning within the rating system and the contents list for this.
Hope this makes everything a bit more clear :)
 
i'd like to see GC/MS results, complete with images of the spectra and peak data. =)
oh, but that would be illegal.
 
the main reason for pill reports is so dealers can 'big up' their pills and sell more...
hyped up pills go at better prices too.
 
Pretty much a gross oversimplication spud-u-like. It happens sometimes that a dud report pops in, thats why we have peer review in the form of the comments section. Bad reports don't last long before they are shot to pieces.
 
How about we have a "soma's seal of approval" (a big phat smiley) that can be tacked onto a report. This will let shit posters know that they are shit so they can either lift their game or stop posting!
Criteria for this seal could be:
*No venue was mentioned.
*At least one of e1, e2 or Mecke (if we can get that in AUS) - but preferably an e1!
*An accurate and detailed description of the pill and/or a decent picture.
*the poster gives a decent description of the effects.
*The poster has adhered to the posting guidelines and rating guidelines!
*The poster doesn't bullshit about:
the pill being coke/heroin based, the pill being the cleanest ever, a ridiculously long peak, a two coloured test and hence two substances in the pill, the speed of the e1 having anything to do with quality or anything else that's incredible.
*the poster doesn't say: "sick", "bro", "get yourself some of these" or "bought 50 of them"!
There are some absolute tools that post useless reports and they need to learn the hard way. Users that post three reports that don't get the seal should be banned from posting (IP blocked) or publicly shamed by soma with a seal of shame next to their user name.
[ 25 March 2002: Message edited by: peak_chaser ]
 
A nice thought although you find that the majority of people that post poor reports are very new to the site and just plain don't read the guidelines. You really do have to read through the site a bit to get a hang of it.
One of the main problems is that people start using it as a chat site. As soon as someone says something contentious in the comments section, 500 15yr olds feel the need to crow their opinion to the world as well. It gets very tedious sometimes mass deleting comments.
One aim (that I have at least), is to get pillreports to a refined state enough for 3rd parties like harm reduction organisations, to come along and mass download the reports into some sort of database file. Comments and all. I'm sure they don't want to hear some of the rubbish that goes on.
 
the majority of people that post poor reports are very new to the site and just plain don't read the guidelines.
Exactly, so slap a "seal of shame" on their user name or report! It's quick, easy, to the point and will get results - no one wants to be publicly humiliated! I'm sure they will change their ways quickly.
[ 25 March 2002: Message edited by: peak_chaser ]
 
soma, that's a great idea to be able to put the reports into a downloadable database.... i do know of some HR groups that download Dancesafe's pics & test results and put them in 3-ring binders for people to look at. this is especially effective in venues where they don't allow pill testing.
 
i find pillreports very good for locating the identities of bunk/non mdma type pills
weve had the same prob for ages in aus pill reports but soma seems to have pick up the bar with a flying start, nice werk.
but untill then i think that in the minds of some of the ppl that post it is what they class as and 'E', even being speed or unidentified substances....so untill experiance is gained or one of the good (honest posters) keeps up their posts going so ppl have an accurate idea.
im guilty of a few bad reports at the start of my time on PR,
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[ 28 March 2002: Message edited by: madmick19 ]
 
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