Kratom best extracts that AREN'T 7-OH?

[Mycophile]

I like both powders and plain leaf extracts (I guess we can mention these? If not mods can delete: like OPMS black, gold, and red, MIT 45, etc.) I have so far managed to stay away from 7-OH. It seems intriguing, but I don't want an even worse dependency.

So, what typically happens is I'll buy some extracts, especially OPMS black, and they work for 2-3 days, then almost entirely stop working and won't work again for about a week. I guess this is typical?

Would most of you just stick with plain leaf so that you don't get your tolerance too high? Would you try some other extract? Some new potentiator? (I've seen certain mentioned lately that I'd never heard of before)

I mean, it's not like I haven't asked these questions before, but I'm just wondering if there's anything I might have missed. I guess I'm probably best off just avoiding the extracts as it would seem like EVENTUALLY those regular powders would start to have more effect.

It's just very frustrating cause I ordered some new extracts from two different vendors and NONE of them are doing ANYTHING. Any advice is welcome....

 

[drewbocop]

I'm using white magic extract with a small amount of Green Maeng Da as I taper off 7oh. It's pretty great. 63%MIT/92% alkaloids/almost no 7oh. I went from 800mg/day (yikes) to 40mg/day 7oh using this method with almost no pain other than my immediate drop from 600-800 to 255mg 7. I thnk those OPMS products use 7oh and that is probably the discrepancy you're feeling, but I don't use head shop shit.

 

[Mycophile]

I'm using white magic extract with a small amount of Green Maeng Da as I taper off 7oh. It's pretty great. 63%MIT/92% alkaloids/almost no 7oh. I went from 800mg/day (yikes) to 40mg/day 7oh using this method with almost no pain other than my immediate drop from 600-800 to 255mg 7. I thnk those OPMS products use 7oh and that is probably the discrepancy you're feeling, but I don't use head shop shit.

I don't think OPMS or those extracts have 7-OH as they are not listed ingredients, and people were using them long before anyone even knew what 7-OH was (the latter doesn't mean it couldn't be in there, neither does the former, but I just think if there is any it's probably not that much as I've heard people talk about how different 7-OH can feel, but to me extracts like these really feel quite similar to plain leaf but just much stronger.

I would rather not use "headshop shit," but if I'm honest, the strongest effects I get are from OPMS and similar extracts, and while I haven't yet looked online for cheaper ways to buy these shots in bulk (I probably will) that's how I've always gotten them. I go online for the plain leaf, but as far as extracts, none can match OPMS black so far.

I've never heard of "white magic extract." I'm going to send you a PM about it...

 

[drewbocop]

I don't think OPMS or those extracts have 7-OH as they are not listed ingredients, and people were using them long before anyone even knew what 7-OH was (the latter doesn't mean it couldn't be in there, neither does the former, but I just think if there is any it's probably not that much as I've heard people talk about how different 7-OH can feel, but to me extracts like these really feel quite similar to plain leaf but just much stronger.

I would rather not use "headshop shit," but if I'm honest, the strongest effects I get are from OPMS and similar extracts, and while I haven't yet looked online for cheaper ways to buy these shots in bulk (I probably will) that's how I've always gotten them. I go online for the plain leaf, but as far as extracts, none can match OPMS black so far.

I've never heard of "white magic extract." I'm going to send you a PM about it...

Okay, well OPMS is the original "head shop shit" top dog for about 15 years now. You don't need to buy overpriced shots. You can get powerful extracts and other lovely extracts for relatively cheap online. Buying shots is like buying a couple overpriced little edibles or dispos instead of shatter. There's no reason to do it other than convenience. Yeah man, shoot me a DM. I've been in the kratom game for 20 years. By alll means, I can answer any question you have.

Edit: Also, keep in mind those OPMS shots use smaller amounts of 7-hydroxymitragnine which is like putting oxycodone in your tramadol. It is a big difference. I recommend NOT getting hooked on that as it's getting banned right now.

 

[Mycophile]

Okay, well OPMS is the original "head shop shit" top dog for about 15 years now. You don't need to buy overpriced shots. You can get powerful extracts and other lovely extracts for relatively cheap online. Buying shots is like buying a couple overpriced little edibles or dispos instead of shatter. There's no reason to do it other than convenience. Yeah man, shoot me a DM. I've been in the kratom game for 20 years. By alll means, I can answer any question you have.

Just did. Yeah, they are far too pricy. I just want good stuff at a reasonable price, but I just got a few different extracts from 2 companies I like and yet, they aren't nearly as strong. It's depressing and annoying. I hope I can get them to at least do something, but I think they are probably not working just cause my tolerance is too high from OPMS and that is probably stronger.

 

[drewbocop]

Just did. Yeah, they are far too pricy. I just want good stuff at a reasonable price, but I just got a few different extracts from 2 companies I like and yet, they aren't nearly as strong. It's depressing and annoying. I hope I can get them to at least do something, but I think they are probably not working just cause my tolerance is too high from OPMS and that is probably stronger.

Well, in general, kratom and extracts eventually catch up to you and stop working generally. Keep pushing, and eventually it turns on you. Anxiety, depression, lack of empathy/joy/expression/happiness. It will bite you if you let it. I've been on kratom for 10 straight years and 10 dabbling before that. It's not a magic bullet. In the end, it just becomes your prozac, like it has me.

 

[Mycophile]

Well, in general, kratom and extracts eventually catch up to you and stop working generally. Keep pushing, and eventually it turns on you. Anxiety, depression, lack of empathy/joy/expression/happiness. It will bite you if you let it. I've been on kratom for 10 straight years and 10 dabbling before that. It's not a magic bullet. In the end, it just becomes your prozac, like it has me.

Yeah, most of us who are honest with ourselves know the story, which is pretty much always the same. The difference is that I am constantly stopping for periods and then i'll start dabbling again till it catches up and I have to stop. Because I have access to Naltrexone I can (only if i'm 100% over the WD effects cause I do NOT want precipitated WD) if I can get through the WDs I can then take that to stay clean and take willpower out of the equation IF I really want to. I did that to take a 38 day break that I ended a couple weeks ago.

Then I'll get my tolerance back and start to feel better and get better effects again. Luckily I have some other things in life that I like a lot like doing Brazilian jiu-jitsu, but when I'm too addicted to Kratom I don't end up going which is another reason not to. Then of course i have injuries from training for years, but it's best not to give in to taking the Kratom for pain.

And funny that you say it "becomes your prozac," because I feel it is more effective for my unique mental health issues than anything else. However, it's short duration and other issues make it impractical IMO to really use as a medication. Otherwise I'd probably just use it all the time medicinally. At least it doesn't SEEM to be as bad as heroin or other stronger opioids and doesn't SEEM likely to cause respiratory depression leading to death....

 

[smmfll]

I'm using white magic extract with a small amount of Green Maeng Da as I taper off 7oh. It's pretty great. 63%MIT/92% alkaloids/almost no 7oh. I went from 800mg/day (yikes) to 40mg/day 7oh using this method with almost no pain other than my immediate drop from 600-800 to 255mg 7. I thnk those OPMS products use 7oh and that is probably the discrepancy you're feeling, but I don't use head shop shit.

Please explain those products you use for your taper off 7

 

[emkee_reinvented]

Well, in general, kratom and extracts eventually catch up to you and stop working generally. Keep pushing, and eventually it turns on you. Anxiety, depression, lack of empathy/joy/expression/happiness. It will bite you if you let it. I've been on kratom for 10 straight years and 10 dabbling before that. It's not a magic bullet. In the end, it just becomes your prozac, like it has me.

This is the first time i read from someone else what i experienced on Kratom.
When i was using it, OK addicted but then
"eventually catch up to you and stop working generally. Keep pushing, and eventually it turns on you. Anxiety, depression, lack of empathy/joy/expression/happiness".

This is exactly what happened to me, so every so much week s i was forced to taper.
Give it a break a while, and proceed and it would be like it was.
My use consisted of plain leaf powder, but it was direct from the source.
Basically 2x as strong as what i can online now,
and 3x time at least as from the head-shop.

So i was dosing 12/ 20 gram max a day. Taper, stop pause few week s,
new order would arrive, repeat. Always followed Bluelight advise that extract s.
Raise tolerance sky high, so never bought em, did get a free bag of U.E.I.

Ultra Enhanced Indo, didn t really impress me, but i stayed clear of extract s.
read the warning s and story s, Kratom was by far the least addicting substance.
Of my holy 3: 1. Alcohol/ 3 week s WD totally un-functional,
2 GHB 3 day s brutal but endurable with aid of a Benzo.
3 Kratom 5 day s but very mild when tapered.
The last two i stayed functional enough for work.

eMKee

 

[GooberDoober]

Hey I know this was posted a little while ago but I just wanted to chime in to say white magic is kick ass and the company that makes it does good extracts, but also. Even though mit extracts aren't a fundamentally stronger chemical like 7 they are still much more risky the leaf. They aren't inherently more addictive like 7, but they are much more convenient. Kratom is disgusting so I never had to think about keeping track of my use cause its so fucking gross I hate taking it, but this extract, it doesn't taste bad and I just need a single capsule full and my mildly opiate tolerant ass will be feeling real good. So you can easily just spend 150 or so a month and just continuously take little spoonfuls until you tolerance goes to the god damn moon.

Not trying to fear monger, just took some white magic myself just now, plus a doxylamine some hash and .25 gram of disty, but just be sure to pay close attention to yourself and not believe your own lies if you go down this road, because this can just be a better version of kratom, or it can be the offramp that leads you to much more serious places.

 

[drewbocop]

Hey I know this was posted a little while ago but I just wanted to chime in to say white magic is kick ass and the company that makes it does good extracts, but also. Even though mit extracts aren't a fundamentally stronger chemical like 7 they are still much more risky the leaf. They aren't inherently more addictive like 7, but they are much more convenient. Kratom is disgusting so I never had to think about keeping track of my use cause its so fucking gross I hate taking it, but this extract, it doesn't taste bad and I just need a single capsule full and my mildly opiate tolerant ass will be feeling real good. So you can easily just spend 150 or so a month and just continuously take little spoonfuls until you tolerance goes to the god damn moon.

Not trying to fear monger, just took some white magic myself just now, plus a doxylamine some hash and .25 gram of disty, but just be sure to pay close attention to yourself and not believe your own lies if you go down this road, because this can just be a better version of kratom, or it can be the offramp that leads you to much more serious places.

I calculate a rough equivalent dose as compared to my Green Maeng Da plain leaf and stick to the same schedule daily. It's pain management and symptom management for me these days. Completely off the 7 and lowered extract/leaf dose by about 35% so far. I start my new slow taper soon.

But you're absolutely right. Back in the late 2000s/early 10s when UEI and FSTs hit the market, people were signing up for a world of hurt they knew nothing about. 7oh was the newest version of that, destroying naive or just uninformed people thinking it's legal, it can't be bad. I've gotten upwards of 200 people off 7oh up to this point. The pain and suffering was a whole new level of Hell they weren't even aware existed.