Bupe Best course of action switching from OXY to SUBS with only 5 perc 30s left.

[dannyboy88]

My background: was on subs for a year 4-6mg....then i fell off and was doing H for a month 1.5 - 2 gram per day. Then went to switch to subs but only waited 16 hours after last dose went into precipitated withdrawals VERY badly. then i did 3 gram dope to level out then switched to 240mg oxy a day for 2 weeks. three days ago i went to switch to subs after 24 hours...did 4 mg sub and after 10-20 min I felt a mini p/wd and after an hour i started to feel ok but then did 300mg oxy just in case. for the past three days ive been on 240 mg oxy once a day. I have five perc 30s left and want to switch to subs so I need advice on how to do make the switch if i should taper or what...check it out:

Today: 5pm: 8 percs (240mg)

Tomorrow (Tuesday) 6pm: 3 percs.....

then its either...

Wednesday: 6pm: Do final 2 percs...........

OR, if I cant wait 24 hours because i went from 240mg to 90mg...

Wednesday: 10am: Do Final 2 percs......Then I make the switch to Suboxone but Im wondering if I have to wait 24 Hours to do the sub....

**I ask because lets say after I do my 3 percs on tuesday I go into WD sooner than 24 hours because its so much lower of a dose....then I do my final 2 the next day and go into WD even sooner than after i did the 3 on tuesday...does that mean that I can do the Sub sooner because of the two times I have lowered my dose causing sooner WD? or do i still need to wait 24 hours after my last dose even if its a smaller dose causing sooner WD?

Would it make more sense to just do 5 percs tomorrow, wait at least 24 hours then do a sub the following day? OR should I do 2 percs tonight leaving me 3....Wait until lets say 4pm tomorrow to do my final 3 and then i can either do my sub at the 24 hour mark or whenever im crawling up the walls.

Short Version:
-240mg oxy once a day for a month. had trouble with p/wd
-today 5pm did 240mg
-tomorrow 5pm will do 3 perc 30s
-following day i either do final 2 perc 30s at 10am or 5pm(24 hour mark) depending on if lowering my dose so much so quick puts me into wd sooner than normal.
-If i do go into wd sooner because ive lowered my dose so much does that mean i can take subs sooner or do i still need to wait 24 hours? If I do need to wait 24 hours would it make more sense to just do all five tomorrow then do subs 24 hours after that?

Please help me figure out the best course of action. Remember I have 5 perc 30s left and my goal is to make the switch from oxy to sub without P/wd....So with 5 perc 30s left how should I plan this out? Sorry if this post is too long or confusing...just ask if you have any questions. Thanks!

 

[pbuilder]

No such thing as 30mg percs...

30mg roxicodone

 

[Badstones]

What is the difference between Roxicodone and Oxycodone (which I have always thought was Percocet).

-Sunshine.

 

[dannyboy88]

I know I just call them percs as a generic term for all the different types of 30mg blues I get. I don't suppose you have any advice?

 

[Tommyboy]

Dude, stop posting the same thread.

 

[Badstones]

Oh and by the way, take the percocet whichever way you think you will enjoy them most, and then just wait until you are in a good amount of withdrawal (for me it is when I start that twitching shit).. Like medium/high amount of WD, only you know what that is for you... If you wait till then, dosing the sub should not cause any precipitated withdrawal.

-Sunshine.

 

[dannyboy88]

tommyboyy: Stop reading them ...I previously asked if 24 hours was enough to start subs from oxys ...now I'm asking if tapering my oxy use will cause wd to come sooner and if so can I start subs then or do I have to wait until the full 24 hour mark meaning I'd have to endure more wd. I put the same info in each post to equally inform whoever reads....that means yes people like you may have to read the same information from another post....which is why I also put a short version on the bottom

 

[Badstones]

The difference between the onset of your initial WD symptoms between the two different dosing methods would be pretty insignificant in the grand scheme of things.. Talking hours probably. If you want a time frame to guarantee not getting sick from the combo go 48 hours, but if you follow my advice and just insure that you are in pretty heavy withdrawal you should be fine. I personally dose with in 8 hours of my last use of any other opiate/opioid, but that is just me, many people get terribly ill from doing it the very same way. So look to your body and you will be fine, when you are very definitely in WD then it is safe to use.. Also, the farther you get into the shit hole that is pill sickness, the better the sub feels/works.

-Sunshine.

 

[Tommyboy]

tommyboyy: Stop reading them ...I previously asked if 24 hours was enough to start subs from oxys ...now I'm asking if tapering my oxy use will cause wd to come sooner and if so can I start subs then or do I have to wait until the full 24 hour mark meaning I'd have to endure more wd. I put the same info in each post to equally inform whoever reads....that means yes people like you may have to read the same information from another post....which is why I also put a short version on the bottom

What I'm saying is that if you are simply updating information and already have an existing recent thread already open, then just post the update there so that people aren't posting answers in the old thread for your old situation. It's common courtesy.

 

[dannyboy88]

What I'm saying is that if you are simply updating information and already have an existing recent thread already open, then just post the update there so that people aren't posting answers in the old thread for your old situation. It's common courtesy.

That is understandable but I still like seeing what people have to say about my first question. I'll take it into consideration next time. So does anyone know does lowering my dosage and going into withdrawal sooner mean I can take my subs sooner or should I wait the full 24 hours and endure a longer wd period while waiting to take subs. 240mg and oxy half life would mean I start wd around 20-24 hours. If I do 90 mg it would be about 16-20 hours then I have my last 60mg which would be gone by 12-16 hours....doing subs 12so hours after a month long every day oxy binge at 240mg is def not enough....but if I'm in moderate to severe wd it should be OK? I should play it safe I know and wait 24...maybe ill do all five tomorrow then wait 24 and hope my body hasn't changed to where 24 hours isn't enough. if anyone is interested ill keep them updated.

 

[Badstones]

..bleuahh..

 

[dannyboy88]

The difference between the onset of your initial WD symptoms between the two different dosing methods would be pretty insignificant in the grand scheme of things.. Talking hours probably. If you want a time frame to guarantee not getting sick from the combo go 48 hours, but if you follow my advice and just insure that you are in pretty heavy withdrawal you should be fine. I personally dose with in 8 hours of my last use of any other opiate/opioid, but that is just me, many people get terribly ill from doing it the very same way. So look to your body and you will be fine, when you are very definitely in WD then it is safe to use.. Also, the farther you get into the shit hole that is pill sickness, the better the sub feels/works.

-Sunshine.

So if I understand you correctly... The onset of initial WD symptoms will be insignificant between the two dosing methods..those being the onset after a normal 240mg every day dose and that of a tapered down 90mg dose? meaning after a 90mg dose Id still only start getting WD after 24 hours or "in the grand scheme of things...a hours apart probably" ? I think that's what you mean? But if you think about it the half life of the oxy for an physically addicted person would mean that at 90mg id start getting WD after about 12 hours...I know I should just try it to see what happens but it's interesting to see what people think and their experiences. Thanks sunshine

 

[DooMMooD]

Just do all 5 and do the sub 24 hours later.

You probably are right and could take them sooner after taking less b/c you will be starting withdrawal, although as stated it would only be sooner by a matter of hours....but if you are going to be withdrawing while taking those 2 roxis what is the point of even taking them? You wont get high, you will still be sick, you'll just want more, and you'll still have to wait near 24 hours to take the subs.

Opiate dependent persons start to feel withdrawals sooner, but need to wait longer to take their first dose of suboxone. This is because theres still tons of opiates in you; you feel start to feel sick because theres a lower level, real withdrawals kick in when theyre all gone. Thats why a doc will wait until you score pretty high on the COWS before inducting you.

 

[dannyboy88]

Just do all 5 and do the sub 24 hours later.

You probably are right and could take them sooner after taking less b/c you will be starting withdrawal, although as stated it would only be sooner by a matter of hours....but if you are going to be withdrawing while taking those 2 roxis what is the point of even taking them? You wont get high, you will still be sick, you'll just want more, and you'll still have to wait near 24 hours to take the subs.

Opiate dependent persons start to feel withdrawals sooner, but need to wait longer to take their first dose of suboxone. This is because theres still tons of opiates in you; you feel start to feel sick because theres a lower level, real withdrawals kick in when theyre all gone. Thats why a doc will wait until you score pretty high on the COWS before inducting you.

Wow...Very informative...So if you are doing tons of Oxy and need to stop you might go into p/wd because even though you feel like its bad wd it might only be because you had so much in you that you need to wait longer in order for it to all be gone. So I do believe hours count in terms of how long you wait to take your subs...for example I mentioned in my original post that I waited 24 hours after my last 240mg dose and still got a 'mini p/wd' for about an hour where as when I did my subs only 16 hours after banging a bag of dope i got REAALLY sick. So I think the mini p/wd would be eliminated at the 24 hour mark if I did 5 tomorrow and then a sub 24 hr later just because of the 90mg less i would be doing.

 

[sillydreadhead]

you need to taper as much as you can before the switch. If you do precipitate a mini withdrawal though just try to hang in there and don't use again. That way you'll only have to be sick once, instead of going back and forth and keep precipitating withdrawals.

 

[dannyboy88]

I just did my final 5 blues at 3pm today....I will report tomorrow around 3pm (24 hour mark) when it's time to start taking subs. Im nervous about the precipitated withdrawals so it will be interesting to see how my body has changed since I went on my month long H bender.....before that bender I could do my subs close to 16-18 hours after my last dose but Im assuming that is because I was on subs mostly and would only do H or oxy 2-3 times a month.

This is interesting for anyone who is on subs and likes to switch between them and other opiates. If you are doing subs mostly and do other opiates a few times a month like i did I dont think you need to worry and wait as long to take the subs....but if you completely stop subs and do other opiates for an extended period of time you need to be careful about getting back on subs.

I also ate my last 5 subs as opposed to snorting them which I had been doing the past two weeks so im hoping that doesnt contribute to any p/wd.

 

[Fire&Water]

I just did my final 5 blues at 3pm today....I will report tomorrow around 3pm (24 hour mark) when it's time to start taking subs. Im nervous about the precipitated withdrawals so it will be interesting to see how my body has changed since I went on my month long H bender.....before that bender I could do my subs close to 16-18 hours after my last dose but Im assuming that is because I was on subs mostly and would only do H or oxy 2-3 times a month.

This is interesting for anyone who is on subs and likes to switch between them and other opiates. If you are doing subs mostly and do other opiates a few times a month like i did I dont think you need to worry and wait as long to take the subs....but if you completely stop subs and do other opiates for an extended period of time you need to be careful about getting back on subs.

I also ate my last 5 subs as opposed to snorting them which I had been doing the past two weeks so im hoping that doesnt contribute to any p/wd.

I dont understand why someone on "subs" would "like switching between them and other opiates" ...?
That's a first for me.

 

[DooMMooD]

I dont understand why someone on "subs" would "like switching between them and other opiates" ...?
That's a first for me.

Really? You dont understand that?...they want to keep getting high but not suffer the pain of withdrawals?

You clearly have NO IDEA what addiction is/is like and if you dont understand then you never will; it is impossible to explain the force behind it. Imagine being on autopilot, watching yourself going out and copping, but the whole time YELLING inside your head to stop, that you dont wanna do this, that it'll be the end of you, that you'd rather spend $ on food...and the whole time you wish and wish and WISH you could stop, and you pray, but you keep going and you watch as you bust up that pill and it goes up your nose.

The whole time you hate yourself but you do it anyway. Then because you hate yourself even more for being so shameful, you do it again because its the only way you know to kill your shame.

If only people could just take subs and be cured, takes a lot more work than popping a foul tasting orange pill every morning.

 

[Badstones]

I completely understand, being that I had done it alot in the past.. Plus people who get thier subs off the street sometimes cant find them forcing them into switching to other opiates. Subs ability to block opiates is not widely understood.. It does indeed effect the way shit hits you, but at low sub doses it is not hard at all for me to achieve a high from oxy, ect. Make sure that at the 24 hour mark you are feeling good and shitty, don't go by hours alone.

-Sunshine.

 

[PinK~cloud]

I'm sure people have said this in the thread, but WAIT until you're clearly in withdrawal. As sunshine said, don't determine it on hours strictly. It can be a good reference point, but you need to determine your level of withdrawal too. trust me, and trust the others who've said it--you DO NOT* want to take suboxone early and end up in precipitated withdrawal