best benzo for pre trip without reducing visuals

[fluxy]

Im posting this in Advanced for hopefully a better interpretation of my question which is:


In taking psychedelics like DXM where the come up/on is inevitably rough as can be the peaks, i find the light use of benzo s invaluable.

Im trying to strike a balance between taking the harsh edge off and taking away the finer closed eye visuals i am seeking in a lighter DXM trip. (other hallucinogens not availiable, except san pedro, which id like to do with another person not alone)

5mg of valium used to be just right, but doesnt seem to be enough now that i take 4 mg of xanax a day for the past year or so.


ive literally had hundreds of difficult trips and have gotten used to them, thanks to xanax on hand if things get too rough, and without the benzos by self assurance.

can anyone suggest a dosing regime or different drug to use for the purpose of taking the "harsh edges" off my dxm trips? IF ive had more than 2mg of xanax that day all i will get is crappy undefined CEVs that are vivid but no mind blowing, just un complex patterns and fuzz, nothing awe inspiring if you know what i mean.

When im peaceful, i can think of a mushroom and my whole field of view (eyes clossed) will turn into countless examples of mushrooms my mind has encountered and can come up with, or flowers, or even people, concepts, the big bang, i think of something and my mind produces a movie about it, with feeling attached, its such an amazing tool to explore the sub councious.

maybe there is a non benzo that may allow for visual activity and suppress only anxiety? that is what i want. or maybe an atypical benzo or z-drug. or opiates.

thanks

 

[nuke]

--> pd

 

[CaptainAmerica]

I only take benzos AFTER a trip, for the simple fact that they all dull the effects of psychedelics, and I do everything I can to avoid that. I really don't think your going to find that magic "tripping benzo" as they will all inevitable dull other drugs effects.

My best advice would be to stop taking your xanax daily, of course, talk to your doctor first if you do this. But I'll be honest, if I was prescribed xanax daily, I would a real hard time telling my doc that I dont want it...

 

[CatfishRivers]

Maybe go for a similar effect, not with benzos, but something like blue lily or lotus tinctures or hydrosol? Calms me down and adds to the effects of visuals, at least for weed and 2c-xs in my experience. I always have Egyptian themed visuals from it too.

If not that, then perhaps honokiol 98% powder? It's a compound isolated from magnolia tree bark with marked anxiolytic effects. For me 200 mg is enough to take all the edge off of most anything, but I rarely use downers so there's no tolerance mentally to the effects. I don't know if physical cross tolerance exists between honokiol and benzos tho. Nor do i know how it interacts with specific chemicals/plants. Look it up on google first...

 

[lightitup]

I sometimes have a benzo on hand, but out of hundreds of trips (some being VERY difficult for me or another) I haven't once busted it out to be eaten. It is a last resort for me, even though I get pretty damned bad anxiety I would rather power through it.

I suggest trying another route then benzo's for psychedelics. It is just covering up or not allowing you to see what psychedelics are trying to show you, IMHO. If you REALLY insist on using a benzo during the trip, valium or klonopin at incredibly low dosages would probably be the best choice. Like 5mg valium, or .25mg klonopin. Any more than that is going to dull the visuals, and even that low of an amount probably would.

 

[Psychonauticunt]

I'd take a small amount of a weak anxiolytic like oxazepam or diazepam. Or what might work better is a slight anxiolytic like hydroxyzine (Atarax) that shouldn't reduce visuals too much.

 

[Roger&Me]

Clonazepam is the least intoxicating benzo at reasonable dosages IME, hence it dulls the trip less than something like alprazolam which is a real knockout-punch to the ol' thinking faculties.

Tripping, as well as life in general, is better of without benzos 9.999 times out of 10. Benzos are medically necessary in certain circumstances, but otherwise they're mind garbage. They severely diminish your capacity for experiencing the higher realms of cognition, and many times lead directly to the tragic ruination of a once-fertile mind. My advice to anyone regarding benzos, is to never take them lightly and always proceed with caution.

 

[hydrochron]

Klonopin without a doubt.

Roger&me completely right about benzo's and tripping. If anything though a trip can open your mind up to what the hell your doing. Benzo's will steal all of your psychedelic energy...

 

[sub-di]

4mg of xanax daily is an extremely high dose, and one that will have to be very slowly weened off of if one has the desire to stop taking it.

I know this all too well, as I was taking this much for a similar time frame. Coming off of it was HELL, but I powered through it on my own fast-track weening schedule because I couldn't stand being dependent on it anymore. Through sheer force of will I detoxed in less than 3 weeks, I could have done it more slowly, but I guess I wanted to prove something to myself.

If you're already taking this much, I would be surprised if another benzo is going to do the trick, aside from more xanax or maybe something stronger like ativan, because you're tolerance is already so high. Either way you're going to have a muddled trip regardless.

I'd be interested to know if klonopin did the trick, though not as potent it tends to be smoother over-all.

 

[fluxy]

thanks guys so much advice nice to see. had a strange and defenitely "nasty" trip the other night, not considering doing so again. hopefully never if you know that mind frame after tripping. it wasnt even 100th of what ive been thru, but i had one of those lightbulb moments, what the hell am i doing this for moments. Im sure promises were made to stop in the somewhere...... spending your night alone on the couch tripping and tv doesnt always go well, and its plain stupid.