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Bernie Sanders

Saying socialsm is American is very disingenuous to history and the truth. Irresponsible Keynesian policy hasn't even been proven one way or another it is why campus Econ departments still have such division. At the gatton school of business it was all the profs that came from the private sector were Austrian and all the professors that were always in the public sector that were keynsians I won't go into my theories of why but you get my point. Democrats used to be sane when Kennedy was in office he was a true thinking person that wouldn't of stood for any of the hogwash sanders is proposing. Guess that is probably why he got killed...
 
Seriously Dropps, gtfo. You're not even American. It was one thing when I thought you were an Appalachian inbred but for a Canadian you are quite the dullard.

So Cruz/Trump is a "return to American values?" Maybe for 1852 standards, if your "American Values" are bigotry, unchecked corruption, and unnecessary, counterproductive lethal use of military power.

Seriously man just worry about your own damn country. We're trying to save ours here and don't need you trolling like Trump and Cruz are Washington and Jefferson and Sanders is Stalin.
 
Saying socialsm is American is very disingenuous to history and the truth. Irresponsible Keynesian policy hasn't even been proven one way or another it is why campus Econ departments still have such division. At the gatton school of business it was all the profs that came from the private sector were Austrian and all the professors that were always in the public sector that were keynsians I won't go into my theories of why but you get my point. Democrats used to be sane when Kennedy was in office he was a true thinking person that wouldn't of stood for any of the hogwash sanders is proposing. Guess that is probably why he got killed...
which might mean something if we were discussing socialism. which we're not.

alasdair
 
I was in Alberta and now Toronto all week for work. These people are defeated by socialism. This country is all fine and good but it is no America. Me and my co worker are counting the hours to get back to Tennessee. I think I'm going to shoot my nazi splatter targets this weekend to celebrate freedom. The guy at this shop told me of all the ever growing gun regulation here and all I could think of was we are fucked if a democrats get in office and get us a radical activist scotus. Heck even Merrick would destroy us with his high emotional intelligence and anti second amendment track record. Canadians love sanders unsurprisingly yet they also love America which doesn't make much sense. They just love to travel to America but couldn't hack it if they had to take a shitty job and work long hours like myself and the rest of the non moocher class
 
Here we go again with the guns, guns, guns. Trillions and trillions of dollars are being stolen from the public (amounts that can add up to an entire year's worth of GDP), and being concentrated in a fraction of a single percent of the rest of the population, and you think the biggest threat is gun legislation. And you still have no clue how ridiculously out of the solar system your thinking is.

Dude, you aren't even in the right galaxy, let alone solar system.
 
Saying socialsm is American is very disingenuous to history and the truth. Irresponsible Keynesian policy hasn't even been proven one way or another it is why campus Econ departments still have such division. At the gatton school of business it was all the profs that came from the private sector were Austrian and all the professors that were always in the public sector that were keynsians I won't go into my theories of why but you get my point. Democrats used to be sane when Kennedy was in office he was a true thinking person that wouldn't of stood for any of the hogwash sanders is proposing. Guess that is probably why he got killed...

It was kind of sloppy for Sanders to make those statements in this past about being a "socialist" if he now wants to run on a democratic socialist platform. Because he is not pushing a socialist agenda (a la the classic examples of socialism from history that have failed miserably) in this election, but a democratic socialist one (a la Scandinavia and such), which is a different animal from actual socialism. For example, the latter can work alongside capitalism but the former logically would not. And ya, perhaps Sanders' own words set up his own smear campaign. And he's in a tough spot with Hillary accusing him of not being a real Democrat, because he's not (neither is she, though), yet he could lose support if he openly states that.

There are semantic issues all over this campaign. People confusing democratic socialism for socialism, confusing the Democratic Party with an entity that must behave democratically in its primaries. It's confusing until people actually sit down and do some reading for a couple minutes.

Droppersneck, nobody here is trying to take away your right to your political opinions. People are just saying that you're using terms incorrectly and that with a bit of reading, you could improve your own argument and make it more respectable. If you can understand the difference between Keynesian and Austrian Economics, I think you can grasp how democratic socialism (a la Scandinavia) differs from pure socialism (a la the historical examples that have failed miserably).

What America has right now as an economy is neither Keynesian nor Austrian. It's not really Keynesian partially because though the government does collect a ton of tax dollars, it does not spend them in a Keynesian way (this is the Sanders platform mainly, to redistribute the tax money in a way that will create a bull market). And it's not really Austrian partially because the oligarchy relentlessly tries to legislate the economy and true Austrian markets are unregulated and free to breathe. We can debate over and over which is better, Austrian or Keynesian, but if you look around the world at the most successful economies, it's not that they are all Austrian or all Keynesian, but they all tend to practice a pure form of one or the other. As a libertarian/anarchist, I personally prefer Austrian economics, not least because of the behavioural factors you mentioned, but I'm interested to see what Keynesian economics would do for America. I say this largely because every other candidate, including Trump, would only lead our economic mess forward and nothing would get better. With what we have now as a basis, I think Sanders actually could make it better (at least in the short-term).
 
There was a really good article I read last week about Sanders being the the truest Adam Smith-esque Capitalist to run for president in decades. I wish I could find it again.
 
Lol nobody said we run In a purest system. The stimulus was of the Keynesian train of thought. I despise pseudo intellectual babble it is what liberal ideologues use as barriers to entry thus making their opinions seem right and nondebatble. Sanders has a good heart but is a loon that has always been in the public sector and doesn't know how things work yet sees these shitty Scandinavian countries have a certain government structure and wants to mimick it ignoring our entire culture. Most of his supporters are people with little real knowledge/ life experience for a reason. Growing the public sector never works, but since they use devisive arguments to tug on the heart strings of fools the illogical is excepted as plausible IMHO
 
I despise pseudo intellectual babble it is what liberal ideologues use as barriers to entry thus making their opinions seem right and nondebatble.

I was with you until you started polarizing it and making it a shot at liberals. I thought you were a non-partisan man? being as you are liberal af (your words) on social issues idk why you go on about liberals and their stances on everything. surely you are only referencing fiscal policies? its confusing to me. care to clarify your position?
 
Lol nobody said we run In a purest system. The stimulus was of the Keynesian train of thought. I despise pseudo intellectual babble it is what liberal ideologues use as barriers to entry thus making their opinions seem right and nondebatble. Sanders has a good heart but is a loon that has always been in the public sector and doesn't know how things work yet sees these shitty Scandinavian countries have a certain government structure and wants to mimick it ignoring our entire culture. Most of his supporters are people with little real knowledge/ life experience for a reason. Growing the public sector never works, but since they use devisive arguments to tug on the heart strings of fools the illogical is excepted as plausible IMHO

That's funny you'd say that Dropps, since the scholarly consensus is certainly that we and the world used Keyensianism full-throttle for most of the century until what can be argued as far as Reagan. You know, that time that some people remember as "the good old days"...and then after some weird mental gymnastics involving guns, start equating Trump and Cruz with "Real America". Fuck that. Real America is E Pluribus Unum.

"Give me your tired, huddled masses" type of stuff. Hang your lantern by the golden door, buddy.
 
I was with you until you started polarizing it and making it a shot at liberals. I thought you were a non-partisan man? being as you are liberal af (your words) on social issues idk why you go on about liberals and their stances on everything. surely you are only referencing fiscal policies? its confusing to me. care to clarify your position?
this forum is so polarized left it brings out the worst in me. I apologize
That's funny you'd say that Dropps, since the scholarly consensus is certainly that we and the world used Keyensianism full-throttle for most of the century until what can be argued as far as Reagan. You know, that time that some people remember as "the good old days"...and then after some weird mental gymnastics involving guns, start equating Trump and Cruz with "Real America". Fuck that. Real America is E Pluribus Unum.

"Give me your tired, huddled masses" type of stuff. Hang your lantern by the golden door, buddy.
No one is pure it is not something in which one can be pure in a democratic society.
 
Guess what bub? There's a cold reality that you'll have to come to realize one day, or die ignorant: REALITY, FACTS and SCIENCE are polarized to the left.
 
I was gonna say, this IS a drug forum drug users, especially psychedelic drug users, are usually a lot more like open-minded. Sorry to say but Conservativism is regressive and borderline archaic. Of course most of the people on this forum are liberal. We're just waiting for the rest of you to catch up to the 21st century.
 
I see it more like youth, lack of experience, delusion, feelings of being a victim, lack of ambition, addiction, poverty, desire for something for nothing, blaming the rich for ones problems, unemployment, etc etc is the reasoning. I know you at least have a decent job but the vast majority fit my model.
 
It's not a bunch of "youth, lack of experience, delusion, feelings of being a victim, lack of ambition, addiction, poverty, desire for something for nothing, blaming the rich for ones problems, unemployment, etc etc" driving it. Look at how Hillary does $250k Goldman Sachs speeches, hosts $20k a plate private dinners for wealthy donors, takes PAC AND Super PAC money, and yet Bernie still out raises her with small donations from a quiet but strong coalition of citizens.

Imagine how many people that is - among them are doctors, guys who paint the lines on the roads, teachers, dock workers, police officers, hearse-only chaffeurs, and used barbecue remarketers.

It is a movement of the people against a monolithic shell game which keeps us from having a large and wealthy middle class which would benefit everybody - the corporatists get more consumers (more money = more spending), the people are happy because now they aren't worried about being paycheck-to-paycheck, the companies have happier, thus more productive employees, family units fluctuate less, crime decreases, etc.

If the "youth, lack of experience, delusion, feelings of being a victim, lack of ambition, addiction, poverty, desire for something for nothing, blaming the rich for ones problems, unemployment, etc etc" is the side that is rooting against the present status quo, imagine how fucked the opposition must be.
 
I despise pseudo intellectual babble it is what liberal ideologues use as barriers to entry thus making their opinions seem right and nondebatble.
why are you (plural) so proud of being dumb?

why is intelligence in and of itself a bad thing? why would anybody not want to be smarter? why would you choose to not improve yourself and then look down on others who do? seriously, answer that question.

there are different definitions of smart but, by an average definition of smart (if such a thing exists) i am a smart guy. i have evidence to support it but i also just know it. but, unlike your lazy stereotype of me, i don't think that makes me 'better' than you. it just makes me different from you. some people will tell you difference is a bad thing. it is the source of your problems. it is to be feared. if you are so unemotional and so incredibly logical ask yourself what they would have to gain from that? and answer honestly. maybe you're the one telling it to yourself. the greatest lie of all, or the easiest? yep.

i'm not a fool, droppers, i'm just a guy like you who has a difference of opinion. in my america that is a beautiful thing. not only should it be expected - it should be embraced and celebrated because it makes us all better.

so insult me and abuse me and condescend to me and, oh the irony, think you're better than me. if that makes you able to look in the mirror and tell yourself that you were the very best version of you today, then go ahead. whatever helps you sleep at night.

good night, my fellow american

alasdair
 
I see it more like youth, lack of experience, delusion, feelings of being a victim, lack of ambition, addiction, poverty, desire for something for nothing, blaming the rich for ones problems, unemployment, etc etc is the reasoning. I know you at least have a decent job but the vast majority fit my model.

I'm curious where you're getting this idea that that's how these people are. Because it sure doesn't seem to match what I see with my own eyes here in America.
 
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