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Bernie Sanders

Exactly. Hillary was expected to win Wisconsin handily. She had a whopping 35 point lead in early March. Now that it looks like Bernie is going to play the upset there the media is acting like he was supposed to win it the whole time.

And absolutely in NY. There's no way they can spin a Bernie win there. Like he said at his rally in the Bronx last night, if he wins NY he will win the Whitehouse. And trust me us NY Bernie supporters are trying as hard as we can to make that possible. Bernie has erased 20 points off her NY polling lead over the last month. Non-whites are finally starting to see the light and Hillary's minority vote is collapsing.

I'm actually working with a group right now that used gofundme to raise $1,500(in 2 hours!) to put up a Bernie billboard in Oneida County. Their current goal is to raise money for almost 3,000 lawn signs which they will then nail out all over NY. They've promised me 100 of them to distribute around Niagara Falls and Buffalo. If anyone wants to help us beat that bitch in NY, chip in a 5 spot if you have it. We've already raised $2,500 in 2 days:

https://www.gofundme.com/LawnSignsf...ail&utm_content=cta_button&utm_campaign=upd_n
 
That is one of the things that drove me from posting in politics. I am glad there seem to be more libertarians and republicans these days. For example, calling some one racist because he said all blacks dont trust sanders. In no way is that racist. It is generalizing, but not every statement that involves blacks you dont agree with is actually racist. Thats freaking retarded.

People would totally ignore valid points and pick certain things in my statements to argue. The fact is GM, you are not a professor teaching calculus. You can get up on a soap box all day and "teach" your version of what you think the world should be. In no way does it make it right, even if you guys find a single economist who writes this beautiful article claiming absurd things about a Bernie Economy. Politics is not a science, like math. People have opinions.

You and I have vastly different ideas on what the function of government is, and what responsibilities the individual have. You also have different ideas on the role that the USA has played in history, and its current role in the world as a force for good.

Sitting here and calling eachother names and insulting is not how you discuss the issues of the day in an intelligent and understanding manner. Its kinda sad actually.


I hate Donald Trump. He is not a conservative, or a libertarian. He does not want small government, he does not care about the constitution. I feel he is a progressive republican, and his rhetoric is toxic. His rallies were turning ugly not because the people going to them are being baited into rabid idiots. Its because when you mix protestors trying to stop your right to free speech and assembly and people with vastly different ideas and views who are fed up with washington, you are bound to see fights. This kind of crap would happen at a bernie sanders rally if it were the other way, except you guys would blame the protestors.

Bernie Sanders' rhetoric about wealthy people and what not is just as toxic and dividing as donald trumps. Anytime you foment anger against another group you are part of the problem not the solution. Blaming other people is the time-honored method to white wash your own faults, and it is also how real violence starts. Havent you listened to Us and Them? You need rich people to keep getting rich for this country to work. The rich need the middle class to be strong and happy to keep their profits coming in. The poor need the rich and the middle class to create the safety net. We all need each other. Race and class anger and division gets us no where fast.
 
Oh ok guy. Maybe you should take a look at the Panama Papers that just leaked. Then come here and tell is how toxic Bernie's war against the wealthy is.
 
Heres a song recommendation for you Been

Efficiency and progress is ours once more
Now that we have the Neutron bomb
It's nice and quick and clean and gets things done
Away with excess enemy
But no less value to property
No sense in war but perfect sense at home:
The sun beams down on a brand new day
No more welfare tax to pay
Unsightly slums gone up in flashing light
Jobless millions whisked away
At last we have more room to play
All systems go to kill the poor tonight
Gonna
Kill kill kill kill
Kill the poor tonight
Behold the sparkle of champagne
The crime rate's gone
Feel free again
O' life's a dream with you, Miss Lily White
Jane Fonda on the screen today
Convinced the liberals it's okay
So let's get dressed and dance away the night
While they:
Kill kill kill kill
Kill the poor tonight
 
You probably should have timed your post a little better. Claiming that Bernie's attacks on the rich are "toxic" and "divisive" probably would have gone over better had literally thousands of the richest and the most powerful people in the world not just been implicated yesterday in massive fraud using over 1,200 now-exposed shell corporations and illegal Panamanian tax haven accounts.

Just sayin'.
 
Beenhead said:
This kind of crap would happen at a bernie sanders rally if it were the other way...
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except it doesn't because it's not. the fact that it's only happening at and to trump is telling in and of itself.

Beenhead said:
...except you guys would blame the protestors.
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criticising people for something that hasn't even happened is pretty weak.

alasdair
 
Like 10% of Iceland's total population just protested in the streets until their Prime Minister resigned today because he was caught using illegal tax havens to screw taxpayers and shield his millions from taxes.

But Bernie's attack on the rich is "divisive." Maybe the actions of the wealthy and powerful are what's really divisive.
 
GenericMind said:
But Bernie's attack on the rich is "divisive." Maybe the actions of the wealthy and powerful are what's really divisive.
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Capital in itself is divisive. The super wealthy are segregated from the rest of society, sporting events are segregated by class, air travel is segregated by class, restaurants, etc. This exclusivity is class warfare, we just don't call it class warfare.
 
Beanhead said:
The poor need the rich and the middle class to create the safety net.
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...except when the rich have organised schemes to avoid paying the tax that makes welfare 'safety nets' - as well as building hospitals, schools, roads and such.
StoneHappyMonday said:
Yes Massa. Thank you Massa.
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Bernie Sanders is the best presidential candidate we've had for a very, very long time. This is crazy. I'm excited to see how the next primaries come out and who'll be the ultimate winner in both popular vote and delegate count (including superdelegates who in a late explosion in Bernie votes and delegates will be looking a bit bare-clothed where they're standing right now).

Just one surprise landslide in a yyyuge state and modest wins in the majority of others I think will be enough to clinch it, right?

Edit: Suppose if he landslides in CA or NY and gets himself close or matched against Hillary in delegate count, then adds the modest delegate surplus from the smaller remaining states, and the increased proportion of the popular vote that should imply...right?
 
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^ Ya, but it's looking more and more likely that the Republicans are about to pull some tricks that haven't been used since the 1940s to decide on their candidate. So claiming that something is unlikely because it hasn't been done since the 1980s isn't all that reassuring in the proper context.

How about a hypothetical situation where 1) Clinton wins the Democratic nomination, 2) the GOP forces Trump out and 3) Trump runs third-party (as he and his supporters have claimed he would). Then if Sanders also ran third-party and it was a four-candidate race, each of them surely getting double-digits in the polls...Have any polls examined this scenario yet? Call me crazy, but I think this is a real possibility...
 
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Bernie wouldn't run as an independent. And in a three horse race (Clinton/Cruz/Trump) Clinton would win a landslide.
 
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