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Bernie Sanders

Bardeaux said:
What exactly IS socialism? And says who?
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I mean the government system that has never worked in all attempts through out history, and in fact has resulted in mass genocide. I mean the system that crushes all innovation and creation of wealth and ideas by its very nature which discourages individualism. IE why the Chicoms have to rip everything off from everyone else. Who says so? History and observation of facts
alasdairm said:
do you mean "he would have voted"?

you have no way to know that. indeed, seems you are your man bill o'reilly are just making shit up again: Bill O'Reilly wrongly says Merrick Garland voted to ban citizens from having guns in DC

i don't think it's a pussy move at all. i think it's a perfectly smart move that creates a problem for republicans.

of course, i want to see evelyn baker lang on the bench but it'll never happen for real :)

alasdair
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Oh wow what is up with these uber lefties and their spooky jedi names; Ruth vader ginsberg. Yeah nobody under 78 watches Bill O FYI. I never said he voted on anything the very notion that he would have wanted to revisit it was enough for me. The man was well within his constitutional rights to own a gun in one of the most dangerous places in this country no revisiting required. Anyman that openly cries like that is a liberal in my ass hole opinion. ;)
 
Droppersneck said:
I mean the government system that has never worked in all attempts through out history, and in fact has resulted in mass genocide. I mean the system that crushes all innovation and creation of wealth and ideas by its very nature which discourages individualism. IE why the Chicoms have to rip everything off from everyone else. Who says so? History and observation of facts
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This doesn't define what socialism is. Can you not define it?
 
I didn't think so.

My point being there are lots of definitions of socialism, as the word has been bastardized over and over again for a century and a half or more. So lumping all of the various supporters of all the various kinds of "socialism" together and labeling them as uneducated or blind ideologues while being unable to define it yourself is to present yourself as an uneducated and blind ideologue.

Just pointing out the irony.
 
Droppersneck said:
Oh wow what is up with these uber lefties and their spooky jedi names; Ruth vader ginsberg.
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don't give up the day job, droppers. i think your career as a comedian needs a little work. oh, and evelyn baker lang is a fictional character, you twit.

Droppersneck said:
I never said he voted on anything the very notion that he would have wanted to revisit it was enough for me.
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yep. sorry. i forgot you were better informed about the facts of that decision than d.c. circuit judge a. raymond randolph, the bush administration and adam winkler (second amendment law expert at the university of california los angeles law school) :\

alasdair
 
alasdairm said:
wrong: Doctors For Bernie Sanders
wrong: Sanders Scores Major Endorsement in South Carolina After Lawmaker Dumps Clinton (and he's black so you're wrong twice :) )
wrong: Legion of Tech Volunteers Lead a Charge for Bernie Sanders
wrong: The real life Gordon Gekko is supporting Bernie Sanders because of a basic economic principle
probably wrong: this one is hard as the search term is too vague. but i've been a successful consultant in the past (clients include Adobe and the Royal bank of Scotland) so i'll just go ahead and say you're wrong again.
wrong: Under Sanders, income and jobs would soar, economist says
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voxide said:
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:)

alasdair
 
Omg, this thread is so funny! I love it.

Go Bernie!! Don't you feel the passion?!!? :D

alasdairm said:
wrong: Doctors For Bernie Sanders

wrong: Sanders Scores Major Endorsement in South Carolina After Lawmaker Dumps Clinton (and he's black so you're wrong twice :) )

wrong: Legion of Tech Volunteers Lead a Charge for Bernie Sanders

wrong: The real life Gordon Gekko is supporting Bernie Sanders because of a basic economic principle

probably wrong: this one is hard as the search term is too vague. but i've been a successful consultant in the past (clients include Adobe and the Royal bank of Scotland) so i'll just go ahead and say you're wrong again.

wrong: Under Sanders, income and jobs would soar, economist says

alasdair
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BUUUURNN.
Haha, that's hilarious. :high five:
 
I do agree though that he doesn't actually believe most of the shit he says... he really is just saying all the right things to get votes, just like every other politician.. except his style is very unorthodox. If Trump does become president, a lot of people that voted for him are going to be upset that he didn't follow through on most of the things he is promising.

I don't believe the tactics he is using right now would even work 12 years ago... 2016 was the perfect time for him to run for president

I'm not voting, but I find this election very fascinating... even if Trump doesn't become president, I think this really opens up the door for candidates in the future that aren't career politicians.. both republican and democrat
 
Hillary's getting desperate. One of her cronies just filed a complaint against Bernie's campaign for "accepting illegal donations."

Apparently it's ok for Hillary to get tens of millions of dollars from shady Super PACS funded by special interest groups and corporate donors but Bernie needs to be investigated because a few everyday people might have accidentally donated $3,000 to him over the course of his campaign(the cap for individual donors is $2,700).

This is nothing more than a tactic to drain time, money, and resources from Bernie. I hate that bitch.
 
Bernie's campaign director for New Hampshire/Massachusetts has also just been outed as a saboteur after volunteers complained they were being given directions that seemed to hurt more than help, and it was found that that director worked for a Pro-TPP think-tank funded by a Clinton Super PAC. She's literally sending operatives to infiltrate Bernie's campaign to sabotage it from the inside. A similar situation was also discovered in North Carolina a few weeks ago.

I guess that's the risk you run when you're a true grassroots campaign. Bernie doesn't have a team of political allies or committees to vet these people. They're just accepting whoever volunteers and appears to have solid credentials. I certainly hope they start to look closer at who they hire.
 
In 2000, the plutocracy offered us a 'choice' between two equally repugnant, Wall Street-backed candidates: Bush vs Gore. The Green candidate was Nader. I voted with my conscience and voted for him because I believed his policies would have been the best for the country. Enough of us voted for him ( 40000 in Florida) that it swung the election. Gore lost by around 700 votes. The methodology of the Bernie or Bust movement has worked before and its supporters have not gone away.

This time, it will probably be the corporate republican clinton versus corporate anti-gop-party-establishment republican trump. Both are repugnant and virtually identical ethically. They both will do and say anything to get what they want. The only difference I see is that the clinton is politically correct and dresses up her words a little better. I'm voting for Bernie, even if he's a write-in. Voting any other way makes you complicit.

Bush did a so-so job of messing up the world. Just imagine what will happen when the same thing happens with Trump. The USA was been going down the toilet in a slow downward spiral for 30 years now. How long can we let things continue as they are? At some point you have to just let things explode. Then you can finally get a fresh start.

Those in Revolt Against Plutocracy will not vote for a fascist (Trump) or a fascistic neo-liberal hawk (‪#‎CorporateClinton‬). We will write in Sanders or vote Green Party instead if Bernie is not the Party nominee. That’s the #BernieOrBust pledge. Sanders’ political revolution is “still alive,” but it’s on life support.

Should Secretary Clinton secure the Democratic Party nomination, Bernie Sanders’ supporters will either behave like sheep and vote for Hillary Clinton as The Nation’s Joshua Holland argues they will; or they will be revolutionaries and vote in accordance to their consciences.

Why Bernie or bust? While we intend to vote for Bernie in the Democratic primaries, we also aim to sign up at least 1,000,000+ American voters pledged to write-in Senator Bernie Sanders for President or vote Green in the general election of 2016. Why? #SheepNoMore

https://citizensagainstplutocracy.w...ving-conscience-home-to-vote-on-november-8th/
Bernie or Bust pledge: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1wA8z_xaHMzxOvk-JpQi30cQjUKVNjM4rUJ-FygZiKtE/viewform
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I've already signed the pledge.

But I still think you all aren't giving Bernie enough credit. I absolutely still think he's going to win. When he surprises in Wisconsin on the 6th he will have won 7 of the last 8 states with the one lost being shady Arizona with the fuckery that happened. Fuckery, it looks like, that will have a lawsuit filed against it by the Bernie campaign once the state certifies the vote officially in a few days.

7 of the last 8 is huge momentum heading into NY on the 19th. I just watched a livestream of his rally in the Bronx last nigjt where 30,000 people showed up. Hillary's last rally, in Wisconsin, drew 600 people.

When he wins WI and then goes on to win NY, Hillary will be toast. Even the media won't be able to ignore the significance of her losing NY, a state she was a Senator in.
 
I don't know what to think, but I appreciate your optimism. I fear that to win, Sanders needs more than optimism. I'm glad you've signed the pledge. With enough signatures, that will be the leverage we need to influence the corporate DNC. Also, the pledge has been updated to include voting for Jill Sanders (Green Party) as an option.

This has been a heart breaking campaign. 2 years ago and the clinton was already campaigning with full support of the media. Out of nowhere came Sanders. At first, he did so well that it looked like he would win for sure. Then he lost ground after politically self-absorbed old people and duped minority voters overwhelming supported her. The "Me Generation" Baby boomers are going to be a political force for another 20 years, and the low-information voters will always vote for the candidate who hands out puppies. I have little hope for our immediate future.
 
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Even if Bernie has a yuge win in Wisconsin, even by 10+ points, no one will give him credit for it. In fact they've already begun downplaying it. The only way I forsee the media narrative changing is if he wins NY. Even if Hillary barely squeaks by in her home state they will still spin it.
 
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