Ok, i've been using "BZP", since about november. Sometimes once a week, sometimes 3-4 times a week.
So have a lot of my friends. One of my friends takes two 200mg capsules a day, every day during work/weekends, since nov/dec (well skipping a day or 2..3 once in a while).
Many other people, many many, friends of friends or whatever, take it occasionally. The only bad thing said to me about it was, "i couldn't sleep well that night". No 3-day headache's, no other "hangover". The only "hangover" i notice is, after a few days of using, when i stop i might feel slightly sluggish, like i would feel taking Adderal every day. My friend who takes two 200mg caps a day every day, he said he feels a little tired at work when he doesn't take it for a day or two.
I still weigh the same, i usually take one right before a big meal, before going out somewhere, or sometimes while eating my lunch at work. It doesn't seem to lessen the effects, only maybe delay them.
The only people that talk about horrible side effects, are..on internet message boards..the same few people usually. I've read messages about how toxic it is or whatever, but can someone point me to a web site or...anything..that talks about the toxicity of bzp? I've searched and searched, i found many sites saying piperazine is safe, not toxic, is this the main metabolite of bzp? Or does anyone know what the metabolites are? I'm just looking for other sources other than these few people on the internet, talking about how "horrible" it is. I have a little Adderal sometimes, and it feels about the same to me, except i think the adderal lasts longer. BZP seems to have mostly the same side effects as other speed, at least for me, and everyone i know that has tried it (by speed, i mean amphetamine/d-amphetamine, not meth).
So maybe it is "toxic", but how toxic? I get a headache sometimes after taking ritalin...Alcohol..ahh that is the worst, my body doesn't like alcohol, headache's..feeling like shit..alcohol is toxic, but as toxic as BZP??. But now its near the end of May, and as much as i've used BZP, i dont notice any bad or "horrible" effects from it. As for my 400mg/day using friend, he is still the same guy. Seven months of a good amount of bzp ingested, dont notice anything bad (other than the appetite-suppressant effects, dry mouth, and other things that amphetamine would do, only while under the influence of it).
How can there be so many bad posts on bluelight, and other related boards, about how "bzp gives you a max of an hour of good feeling, then you feel like shit and have these horrible headaches that last for days" (and other similar posts, by the same 2 or 3 people usually), but in real life, all these friends/acquaintances who use it, NEVER NEVER said anything about a headache. People on the internet boards have told me something like 'maybe you are a rare exception', but how can 30+ (well i dont know the exact number) people around here that have taken it (or take it a lot) all be an "exception"? I've given a web site to friends/friends of friends who i think will be "responsible" enough, they have ordered their own and use it all the time (some probably sell it, who knows)
My memory is still the same, well, everything is still the same (except when i take bzp and get speedy, he he). I know not much is known about it, but to me it "seems" relatively safe, after 7 months of using, compared to a lot of other drugs out there. MDMA? Shit of course bzp is safer, would i be posting in the Medical board about how "bzp made me dumb and now i have this and that problem" in the future?, actually i've never seen a post like that(although after i send this i will do a search), but also i do know no where near as many people use bzp as they do "E".
Also, I read BZP is a huge thing in Switzerland? Or countries around there? I read about one death, of a girl who took BZP, and MDMA, and alcohol, the article mainly focused on MDMA being the main cause (but who really knows, they found many drugs in her system). If its a "really big drug" over there, and widely used, sold as "A2", i would think if enough people used it often there, of course some would over-do it (take some massive amount) and die or something..but all i've read about is that one girl's death.
I like BZP, and continue to use it, because i dont have those "horrible effects" the two or three internet people post about all the time. Of course i take Adderal instead when i have some, because i "know" at least a lot of research has been done, but BZP is DAMN CHEAP, and seems to not do anything bad, so i'm a guinea pig..along with all the people that i've told about it and also have no bad effects (i tell them what it is, and where to read on it, and to be careful, and i tell them it is a research chem)
So for the people that say "BZP IS TOXIC", where can i find any studies or anything? Where did you get that info? If they say that only because they happened to get a headache or whatever (so they just think it must be so toxic?) , well...there's a lot of drugs that are somewhat toxic, or non-toxic, that have worse effects than that. I'm a very rare drinker, just a few beers will dehydrate me (drinking slower than normal people usually), and i often do feel shitty after the hour long good buzz it gives me. BZP? Its all good with me so far, 7 months...not one headache. So either all these people around here and I are an "exception", or the two or three people on the internet posting "bad bad bad" on every BZP topic are the "exception"?
If any OTHER people besides the only few people i've seen posting "bad bad bad" stuff about BZP, use it, please feel free to post your experience, cause i am interested, i do want to find out as much as i can..
I'm not talking about any of the other wierd piperazines either, yes TFMPP (or is it TMFPP?) sucks (for me..bad effects from that stuff), I mainly want to get some more info on BZP. Thanks for reading my long ass post, that is if you didnt get bored and click 'back' yet! I think the Other Drugs forum is the right place, because well although BZP is a research chem, by itself its really not at all psychedelic (not saying it cant be for some people? lol), it really fits in here where people discuss speed, meth, etc. Thanks fellow blue(or green)lighters.
So have a lot of my friends. One of my friends takes two 200mg capsules a day, every day during work/weekends, since nov/dec (well skipping a day or 2..3 once in a while).
Many other people, many many, friends of friends or whatever, take it occasionally. The only bad thing said to me about it was, "i couldn't sleep well that night". No 3-day headache's, no other "hangover". The only "hangover" i notice is, after a few days of using, when i stop i might feel slightly sluggish, like i would feel taking Adderal every day. My friend who takes two 200mg caps a day every day, he said he feels a little tired at work when he doesn't take it for a day or two.
I still weigh the same, i usually take one right before a big meal, before going out somewhere, or sometimes while eating my lunch at work. It doesn't seem to lessen the effects, only maybe delay them.
The only people that talk about horrible side effects, are..on internet message boards..the same few people usually. I've read messages about how toxic it is or whatever, but can someone point me to a web site or...anything..that talks about the toxicity of bzp? I've searched and searched, i found many sites saying piperazine is safe, not toxic, is this the main metabolite of bzp? Or does anyone know what the metabolites are? I'm just looking for other sources other than these few people on the internet, talking about how "horrible" it is. I have a little Adderal sometimes, and it feels about the same to me, except i think the adderal lasts longer. BZP seems to have mostly the same side effects as other speed, at least for me, and everyone i know that has tried it (by speed, i mean amphetamine/d-amphetamine, not meth).
So maybe it is "toxic", but how toxic? I get a headache sometimes after taking ritalin...Alcohol..ahh that is the worst, my body doesn't like alcohol, headache's..feeling like shit..alcohol is toxic, but as toxic as BZP??. But now its near the end of May, and as much as i've used BZP, i dont notice any bad or "horrible" effects from it. As for my 400mg/day using friend, he is still the same guy. Seven months of a good amount of bzp ingested, dont notice anything bad (other than the appetite-suppressant effects, dry mouth, and other things that amphetamine would do, only while under the influence of it).
How can there be so many bad posts on bluelight, and other related boards, about how "bzp gives you a max of an hour of good feeling, then you feel like shit and have these horrible headaches that last for days" (and other similar posts, by the same 2 or 3 people usually), but in real life, all these friends/acquaintances who use it, NEVER NEVER said anything about a headache. People on the internet boards have told me something like 'maybe you are a rare exception', but how can 30+ (well i dont know the exact number) people around here that have taken it (or take it a lot) all be an "exception"? I've given a web site to friends/friends of friends who i think will be "responsible" enough, they have ordered their own and use it all the time (some probably sell it, who knows)
My memory is still the same, well, everything is still the same (except when i take bzp and get speedy, he he). I know not much is known about it, but to me it "seems" relatively safe, after 7 months of using, compared to a lot of other drugs out there. MDMA? Shit of course bzp is safer, would i be posting in the Medical board about how "bzp made me dumb and now i have this and that problem" in the future?, actually i've never seen a post like that(although after i send this i will do a search), but also i do know no where near as many people use bzp as they do "E".
Also, I read BZP is a huge thing in Switzerland? Or countries around there? I read about one death, of a girl who took BZP, and MDMA, and alcohol, the article mainly focused on MDMA being the main cause (but who really knows, they found many drugs in her system). If its a "really big drug" over there, and widely used, sold as "A2", i would think if enough people used it often there, of course some would over-do it (take some massive amount) and die or something..but all i've read about is that one girl's death.
I like BZP, and continue to use it, because i dont have those "horrible effects" the two or three internet people post about all the time. Of course i take Adderal instead when i have some, because i "know" at least a lot of research has been done, but BZP is DAMN CHEAP, and seems to not do anything bad, so i'm a guinea pig..along with all the people that i've told about it and also have no bad effects (i tell them what it is, and where to read on it, and to be careful, and i tell them it is a research chem)
So for the people that say "BZP IS TOXIC", where can i find any studies or anything? Where did you get that info? If they say that only because they happened to get a headache or whatever (so they just think it must be so toxic?) , well...there's a lot of drugs that are somewhat toxic, or non-toxic, that have worse effects than that. I'm a very rare drinker, just a few beers will dehydrate me (drinking slower than normal people usually), and i often do feel shitty after the hour long good buzz it gives me. BZP? Its all good with me so far, 7 months...not one headache. So either all these people around here and I are an "exception", or the two or three people on the internet posting "bad bad bad" on every BZP topic are the "exception"?
If any OTHER people besides the only few people i've seen posting "bad bad bad" stuff about BZP, use it, please feel free to post your experience, cause i am interested, i do want to find out as much as i can..
I'm not talking about any of the other wierd piperazines either, yes TFMPP (or is it TMFPP?) sucks (for me..bad effects from that stuff), I mainly want to get some more info on BZP. Thanks for reading my long ass post, that is if you didnt get bored and click 'back' yet! I think the Other Drugs forum is the right place, because well although BZP is a research chem, by itself its really not at all psychedelic (not saying it cant be for some people? lol), it really fits in here where people discuss speed, meth, etc. Thanks fellow blue(or green)lighters.
