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Benzos that are less habit forming

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i won't take anything but klonopin for my anxiety because the others hit me too fast and wear off too soon. this should be the first sign to doctors that i am not trying to seek pills for cheap thrills, but most of them are still ignorant dicks.
all benzos are dangerous, and nothing comes close to them for me. the shit they give you for anxiety instead, i might as well take a tic tac. it's all about the gaba.
i was put on xanax XR as a teen, but at the time i didn't have the anxiety diagnosis and i didn't give a shit about actually getting better.
i actually got into a car wreck after taking too many (chew them up and hold them under my tongue to kick in faster). luckily i was crying too heavily to think i was under the influence, and they never came into the picture. i was very lucky. they just thought i was some ditzy teenager. which, i suppose i kind of was.
i got out of another DUI when i was older, because my family is in "the force" and etc. it is a good thing i don't have a car anymore, probably.
anyway, all the same category, all dangerous. it just depends on how responsibly you take them, how often, and if you taper correctly.
 
I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this, but you could try a combination of zyprexa and hydroxizine. The zyprexa can have some nasty side effects though.
 
^ I had a really bad experience with olanzapine (Zyprexa). I was totally wired on it and couldn't sleep at all. Weird I know.

As for hydroxyzine (Atarax, Vistaril), it's a good anxiolitic, probably the best antihistamine on the market for anxiety. But it's just an antihistamine (ie. nowhere near as strong as benzodiazepines).
 
Is Zyprexa safe to take with Phenibut, Piracetam? I can't find any threads speciffically on Zyprexa
 
Psychiatrists don't generally prescribe "pine" anti-psychotics with benzodiazepines, phenibut having a similar mechanism of action. Search on google or post in the benzo mega thread.

Anti-psychotics work wonders for anxiety. They don't steal your soul like GABAergics, though do take some more personality than our loving friends the benzos.
 
It depends on the person. Some people LOVE xanax, but to me it's not fun in the least and only makes me tired(and anxiety-free if I'm anxious, but that isn't recreational use.). Diazepam, on the other hand, is quite euphoric and fun to me, yet some people find it to be the same way I find xanax.


Ho-Chi-Minh said:
Psychiatrists don't generally prescribe "pine" anti-psychotics with benzodiazepines, phenibut having a similar mechanism of action. Search on google or post in the benzo mega thread.

Anti-psychotics work wonders for anxiety. They don't steal your soul like GABAergics, though do take some more personality than our loving friends the benzos.
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Yes, but most people on APs tell me that they make you feel anhedonic and bored most of the time on top of sedated. (due to d2 receptor blockage) Only exception to this is abilify, because it's a d2 partial agonist rather than just an antagonist.
 
Ho-Chi-Minh said:
Psychiatrists don't generally prescribe "pine" anti-psychotics with benzodiazepines, phenibut having a similar mechanism of action. Search on google or post in the benzo mega thread.

Anti-psychotics work wonders for anxiety. They don't steal your soul like GABAergics, though do take some more personality than our loving friends the benzos.
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GP Prescribed me Zyprexa...Already on Alprazolam. Got Phenibut off net haven't tried it yet don't even know if it's legit Phenibut. Hoping the Zyprexa can replace the Alprazolam.
 
Jackie I think you'll find that most people who give an anti-psychotic a chance will find it a valuable medicine. Side effects such as you describe are only noticeable for a short while. The control over oneself and resulting social success can more than double utility lost from anhedonia in my opinion.

Dunno do not mess around with other GABAergics while on Alprazolam. It will probably raise your tolerance, GABAergic tolerance being something that is not easily diminished, and is addictive.
 
Although it's not that much of a good advice i name Tetrazepam a benzo pretty popular in germany for muscle tension.
It's pretty weak (the weakest commercial one?) and has only very limited use as anxiolytic, but it's metabolites diazepam, oxazepam and nordazepam have.
So it's not fast-acting but still acting as anxiolytic (a third is metabolised to diazepam; a typical dose is 100mg).
It has almost no abuse potential at all but makes addicted on a physical level.
 
Snowy said:
Although it's not that much of a good advice i name Tetrazepam a benzo pretty popular in germany for muscle tension.
It's pretty weak (the weakest commercial one?) and has only very limited use as anxiolytic, but it's metabolites diazepam, oxazepam and nordazepam have.
So it's not fast-acting but still acting as anxiolytic (a third is metabolised to diazepam; a typical dose is 100mg).
It has almost no abuse potential at all but makes addicted on a physical level.
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I agree with that. However I'd like to add that you can still get addicted to it, I would know since that's what happened to me...you'd just be on ridiculously high dosages. So you shouldn't feel immune to addiction if you're taking a weaker benzo.
 
Yeah but id rather take phenibut & save benzos for when i really need them
Ho-Chi-Minh said:
Jackie I think you'll find that most people who give an anti-psychotic a chance will find it a valuable medicine. Side effects such as you describe are only noticeable for a short while. The control over oneself and resulting social success can more than double utility lost from anhedonia in my opinion.

Dunno do not mess around with other GABAergics while on Alprazolam. It will probably raise your tolerance, GABAergic tolerance being something that is not easily diminished, and is addictive.
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What you do is your business. Just know that Phenibut has about the same risk profile as benzodiazepines. If you're using it I urge you to tell your doctor.
 
Oh well, running out of options, desperate. Has to be something that helps. Tried 5grams Phenibut & it did fuck all. Try 10g's in a few days
 
All benzodiazepines are addictive, though the severity varies greatly between individuals, and all have the potential to be recreational. The hypnotic benzodiazepines are traditionally thought of as more addictive and recreational.
 
Ho-Chi-Minh said:
All benzodiazepines are addictive,
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No, mostly the active ones. :p
Ho-Chi-Minh said:
though the severity varies greatly between individuals
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Of course...
Ho-Chi-Minh said:
and all have the potential to be recreational.
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There are papers, which compare the abuse potential and recreational value of certain benzodiazepines... and much more recreational BZDs than tetrazepam are mostly rated as "i don't want to do it again [or similar words]". So there is potential but mostly less reacreational potential than a cup of tea.
 
Snowy said:
Yes, i did many times. It had no abuse potential for me and none for anybody i heard of.
Other (most?) benzodiazepines are producing an at least somehow "nice" feeling, but not T.. That is true for even very high doses.
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I've seen numerous boxes of tetrazepam lying on the streets. Same goes for a benzo like prazepam. I know these two benzos damn well. They may be considered as "less addictive" than the others, they still carry a *strong abuse potential*. To me their scope of abuse is no different than that of alprazolam or triazolam.

Snowy said:
no abuse potential' means less abuse potential than a cup of tea here.
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Are you insinuating that tetrazepam has a less or equal abuse potential than a cup of tea?
 
loulou reed said:
I've seen numerous boxes of tetrazepam lying on the streets. Same goes for a benzo like prazepam. I know these two benzos damn well. They may be considered as "less addictive" than the others, they still carry a *strong abuse potential*. To me their scope of abuse is no different than that of alprazolam or triazolam.
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Strange?! I really never noticed anything... and really nobody i know :-/
OK i might be wrong. It obviously has a real abuse potential for some.

loulou reed said:
Are you insinuating that tetrazepam has a less or equal abuse potential than a cup of tea?
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Honestly, i thought so. Although it is addictive... i thought it was only physical.

...One counterexample is enough to disprove me... since i thought it was true for all of us.
I am sorry, but i still think it has no strong abuse potential.
 
Want to clarify that first response? Sarcasm?

I was responding to your ridiculous claim that tetrazepam has neither abuse potential nor recreational value; this may be so for you, but making such a broad statement about any in this drug class is not harm reduction.

If you have a source then feel free to give it.

From a psycho-pharmacological point of view there is nothing which would make tetrazepam not addictive.

And if it had no abuse potential then you can bet it would be a hell of a lot more well-known.
 
Ho-Chi-Minh said:
I was responding to your ridiculous claim that tetrazepam has neither abuse potential nor recreational value; this may be so for you, but making such a broad statement about any in this drug class is not harm reduction.
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In germany most GPs prescribe it so often because it has so little (or in my opinion no) abuse potential and recreational value.

Even lorazepam is often described as having a low abuse potential, because many benzodiazpine-experienced drug-abuser don't really like it (i have ref for that).
And lorazepam has much more abuse potential than tetrazepam...
 
ativan or larazopam was introduced to me after being on xanax for years and it does the trick and doesnt get you buzzed so there for i dont abuse it at all only when i need it, XANAX i was popping 5 bars a night just because i had enough extra haha but now i only use when needed because i dont get high off ativan, thats what they use in hospitals it must work pretty good if that being said. same thing goes with klonapin for me, i dont even get high on that and its just like xanax but it works time release so its smaller amounts all throughout 12 hours xanax is all at once so you actually feel it. i have a huge TOLERANCE though
 
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