Benzos Benzodiazpines and avoiding a seizure.

[tricomb]

hmm, i wonder though, does tapering with a benzo that accumulates within the body and has a long half life, make it more likely to get or worsen the PAWS. Just because you maintain yourself on a built up level of the drug, for months or years.

No, PAWS will result regardless. Having accumulated levels of a long acting benzodiazepine & it's metabolites will only make the transition to no benzo's smoother.

Cool. I think I have enough to go on from you guys and should be alright, although I might try a slightly quicker taper than is being suggested b/c I refuse to resupply and I'm going to try not to do any until tonight (I normally wake up w/ 4mg of loraz). But I bought an ounce of bud, a couple of books and subscription to netflix lol Hopefully that'll keep me distracted enough Plus I'm going to check out (I forget the name) the root valerian or something that apparently works on the GABAa receptors as well but to a much lesser degree (I know there are bluelight posts about it it I'll check out.)

I've heard the whole why do benzos when you have access to opiates asked by friends and that it doesn't give you a high. I can only think it must be based on everyone's individual physiological and psychological make up. Even b4 it was regular I would take nitrazepam over hydrocodone any day while I know lots of ppl are vice-versa. I would only get percs if all other attempts to get benzos failed. Oxycodone is the only pharm that I might pick over benzos IMO; but they are just too different of effects to make a fair comparison though, it's like apples and oranges if you ask me. Only rock took a "priority" over everything else for me and even almost put me on the streets at one point. That suggests biological reasons 2 me. Like why some people do blow or rock (more so blow) only once in a while it totally consumes other people's lives (like mine was for a few years).

Yeah, I have absolutely no idea how people find benzodiazepines to be recreational. Everyone has their own preferences, like you mentioned, I have no idea how some people can have their life consumed by crack cocaine (no offense to any cocaine users) because I simply do not enjoy the feeling. Some people don't like opiates (like you), some love them (like me).

 

[MusicFiend420]

@Tricomb I think you would need a PhD in neuroscience and possibly psychology w/ a complete life history of the person to know why one prefers one over another lol. It's like food, some like salty, some like sweet. Can't say either is better or worse, it's subjective preference. I can't really say I don't like them though, rewind a few years and I was doing my own version of non-needle "speedballs" by railing up some oxy and then doing a big hoot of crack seconds after, this was before I knew benzos even existed....but yeah, if I had only a few bucks, I was like "fuck the oxy, I'll deal with the diarrhea, I need a goddamn rock" so I agree, it is a "to each his own" type thing I think.

@synthetix Yeah, I would just have an oxy and a benzo problem then. I don't really wanna go back to opiates anyway. My goal is to eventually go to just weed. I have the same prob as you w/ booze, it makes me angry where drugs make me happy. I might still drop some XTC a few months apart or some shit like that but I don't want to "have" to do anything daily anymore. I'll check out that supplement and phenegran as well. Can't hurt to know all you're options. I feel like I'm addicted to just not being sober sometimes rather than any one drug because anything I get I tend to abuse. I wish you all the best with the amphetamines...I know there were nights coming down off multi-day crack binges where I felt like killing myself out of frustration, tossing and turning just praying for "it" to stop. I imagine amphetamines are probably similar and even harder because it's so long acting. I was lucky, I didn't have a meth dealer so I only railed/smoked it a few times so I never got hooked.

@Titus Thanks for the kind words man, Peace.

You guys here at Bluelight are a great bunch! I really didn't know who to turn to with this kind of concern and just airing it out and getting some 3rd party perspective from experienced people has really helped.

 

[Jabberwocky]

@Tricomb I think you would need a PhD in neuroscience and possibly psychology w/ a complete life history of the person to know why one prefers one over another lol. It's like food, some like salty, some like sweet. Can't say either is better or worse, it's subjective preference. I can't really say I don't like them though, rewind a few years and I was doing my own version of non-needle "speedballs" by railing up some oxy and then doing a big hoot of crack seconds after, this was before I knew benzos even existed....but yeah, if I had only a few bucks, I was like "fuck the oxy, I'll deal with the diarrhea, I need a goddamn rock" so I agree, it is a "to each his own" type thing I think.

@synthetix Yeah, I would just have an oxy and a benzo problem then. I don't really wanna go back to opiates anyway. My goal is to eventually go to just weed. I have the same prob as you w/ booze, it makes me angry where drugs make me happy. I might still drop some XTC a few months apart or some shit like that but I don't want to "have" to do anything daily anymore. I'll check out that supplement and phenegran as well. Can't hurt to know all you're options. I feel like I'm addicted to just not being sober sometimes rather than any one drug because anything I get I tend to abuse. I wish you all the best with the amphetamines...I know there were nights coming down off multi-day crack binges where I felt like killing myself out of frustration, tossing and turning just praying for "it" to stop. I imagine amphetamines are probably similar and even harder because it's so long acting. I was lucky, I didn't have a meth dealer so I only railed/smoked it a few times so I never got hooked.

@Titus Thanks for the kind words man, Peace.

You guys here at Bluelight are a great bunch! I really didn't know who to turn to with this kind of concern and just airing it out and getting some 3rd party perspective from experienced people has really helped.

yeah man. stay clear of opiates if i were you, it looks like you have a pre-disposition to addiction as well as me. it just happens i guess, we have to admit our defeat to drugs and either choose to be self-destructive and kill ourselves with them, or to stop everything and live a normal drug free life. abstinence is our only option unfortunately, and i can't stick to it. i guess i'll be dying soon but hey its worth it now. i completly agree with the addicted to not being sober as well, i hate it so much. everything is boring without drugs. it sucks balls. i abuse any drug i get too unless its side effects are really nasty (well no- if i have it i will take it, fuck). yeah i understand where you were with those days after the crack binges too, nothing really compares and nobody can understand what its like without going through it man.

weed is good imo, but it makes me far too paranoid when im on any other drug apart from benzos. when i have been abstinent from drugs for a good week or so, thats when i start smoke cannabis, and then it goes through the whole cycle of drugs again. its fucking awful. weed stops having those pleasant effects and then boom your memories of other drugs are back, and you're fucked. idk it might be different for you, but thats just my opinion.

if i take xtc i always have strong drug cravings for at least a week after ive done it too. i guess its because my serotonin is depleted and i feel worthless about everything.

as for the supplements make sure you take them with the benzos while you taper or you risk having a seizure, they are such little fuckers to come off of. i can't really imagine going through it again personally. i felt like killing myself many times while withdrawing from drugs and mdma too, that week after i just wish i wasnt alive anymore because i don't see the purpose to life.

don't let drugs take a hold of your life, we are all wanting to escape something in our lives that is controlling us through drugs. little do we realize we are being controlled by the drugs themselves.

 

[tricomb]

@Tricomb I think you would need a PhD in neuroscience and possibly psychology w/ a complete life history of the person to know why one prefers one over another lol. It's like food, some like salty, some like sweet. Can't say either is better or worse, it's subjective preference. I can't really say I don't like them though, rewind a few years and I was doing my own version of non-needle "speedballs" by railing up some oxy and then doing a big hoot of crack seconds after, this was before I knew benzos even existed....but yeah, if I had only a few bucks, I was like "fuck the oxy, I'll deal with the diarrhea, I need a goddamn rock" so I agree, it is a "to each his own" type thing I think.

You guys here at Bluelight are a great bunch! I really didn't know who to turn to with this kind of concern and just airing it out and getting some 3rd party perspective from experienced people has really helped.

Exactly! Even with those impressive degrees and complete life history, I still bet the rate of variability of preference of drugs would be high. When I'm on here, I'm giving my subjective experience/opinion unless I state otherwise.

 

[Titus]

I have not found abstinance to be the only option 100% of the time, in 100% of the cases. Based on the way I drank no drug and alcohol counselor would ever say I was anything but an alcoholic and that I would never be able to drink socially. But I did. It really doesn't matter though b/c now I have larger problems and am much less certain that anyone at all could go from a coke or opiate abuser to light user of either. THAT i don't think it possible, at least not with today's science.

Maybe in the future they will be able to give some sort of ect type treatment to shock a certain brain area into not wanting those drugs except small ammt's on special occasions but I don't se it happening anytinme soon.

So really my posting in contradiction to what you said is really just 'technical' and confined to alcohol (and I would guess MJ also possible to do as I did that too). I would never recommend anyone set out to try this though even with light drugs like alcohol and mj. Every time I used alcohol before I was a social user I risked death due to getting drunk and making a stupid decision, I was just lucky and I needed to do a shit ton of personal growth work to get there. Now I can take or leave alcohol like 'normal' people.

Def can NOT take or leave opiates though and need to address my issue with them much more comprehensively than I have been doing as I have had limited success with bupe but once I friggin touched dope again...I couldn't see it at the time now see the same pattern many go through telling themselves lies essentially, that htey believe at the time, which results in use and then problematic use when the intent was use and then going back to whatever it was where there were not the prob's (bupe in my case).

 

[MusicFiend420]

Hey guys,

I haven't posted since like most addicts I was fooling myself to think I was gonna be done just like that and have been too embarrassed to admit it here and comment again after I was sooooo adamant in my previous comments "I refuse to re-supply" etc. I've tapered it down to a ridiculous point though. The only one left is Nitrazepam (with the odd addition of Clonazepam); however it is only once or twice a week. I'm not understating it, once on Saturday (I drink on Friday's and do not combine benzos with booze due to a death of someone close with loraz/whiskey mix) and then a couple of days of SMALL (to me) benzo dosages. 10-20 mg of Nitrazepam on SAT and SUN now does me nice. So I guess my finial question (haha, that's what I thought before) is if I can go a full 7 days without any benzos (record is actually 10 days but that was a while ago) am I still at any risk for serious side effects. I mean, if I have trouble sleeping that's whatever but I'm obviously was/is more concerned about seizures, depersonalization at the workplace or school etc... Is a week enough to be sure I'm passed the "scary stage"? Man, I feel like a total failure coming back here for this. If you guys don't wanna reply, I get it.

Thanks,

MusicFiend420

 

[twotoomany]

It's my understanding that it can take much longer. I haven't done the research, but I have read, anectdotally , about people having seizures a month out. Good luck and keep up the good work!

 

[MusicFiend420]

Damn. Well thanks for answering. The previous comments I left was back from when I was doing then daily. I was hoping since I had gone 10 days without any side effects that maybe I was in the clear and missed the nasty w/d stories I hear of. Apparently not. I'm starting to think this isn't even worth the effort anymore but I guess I'll try a month and sees what happens. Fuck. Oh well, at least I've gone from abusing several each day to one or two twice a week....haha, I say that like making myself feel good will prevent the reality from hitting. Thanks again for answering twotoomany.

 

[onetwonine]

Seizures happen in acute w/d, not a month out. You're fine. That's tolerable use if it stays that infrequent.

There's also no need to apologize. Nobody in all honesty cares. You're just a name on the Internet. May sound harsh but it's the truth and you probably already know it to a degree.

 

[MusicFiend420]

Onetwoine > I don't recall apologizing for anything, I just stated that I'd understand if I wasn't answered since I had originally posted on this topic a while back when I had been doing them (multiple benzos mixed with shit) daily for months. Perhaps I could have started a new thread entitled "Does 10 days without benzos mean you are free from withdrawal?" or something like that but then I would need to go back through all the other crap I've explained in this thread already regarding my history of stims, opiates, beznos, weed etc... I know no one is obligated to care about anyone else on the Internet, hence why I'm appreciative of the responses. What I recall is thanking people for their advice which is exactly what I'm now doing to you. If these severe WD consequences will exhibit themselves in less than a month, I should be fine. Thanks for allowing me to relax (without the k-pin or mogadon lmao).

 

[Le'Mix]

I actually almost enjoyed my seizures, great way to go. Never felt a thing, could not even remember a few of them, had to be told, the ones I can recall were like a few seconds. No pain, no panic.

Always thought that would not be the case. They look worse than what they actually are also, very rare to die if you have someone there, to make sure you have not swallowed your tounge.

 

[MusicFiend420]

haha. I guess if you enjoyed (or almost enjoyed) your seizures I guess that is fine. I'd rather avoid them completely. My whole question was if I can go 7-10 days without having any side effects (outside insomnia and some depression) am I past the "danger zone" in that regard, not if seizures hurt or are fun to have lol.

 

[joejoe77]

I'm just venting. I never knew xanax wd could cause seizures. I had seizures in the past but it has been 9 years. Untill Sunday. After a week of xanax use 4-6mgs a day I had a bad seizure while driving 24hrs after my last 2 mg dose. I'm really lucky to be alive. I saw the truck today and the sight of it shook me to my core. It's been so long seince my last seizure I really think it was the xanax. I've taken it before for weeks at a time with no problems but this time was different. I don't remember anything. I woke up in the ambulance ( not hurt luckily) and don't even remember where the accident was. I hit a guard rail at at least 50 and totaled my new truck. Another instance of drugs negitivly affecting my life. Ill never take any benzos and I've cut my suboxone down from 3 a day to 11/2 a day and am looking forward to being completely clean in a month or so. The only thing I can think of that possibly caused my seizure was the sudden stopping xanax . Wish me luck. My urge to be drug free is overwhelming after the problems with xanax and the seizure. Not even smoking 420. Just that damn caffeine and nocotine

 

[joejoe77]

Keep up the positive path ur following music friend. You'll feel better eventually.

 

[Tommyboy]

^ You should search around here for ways to taper off of the suboxone, because after being on that dose you are going to have to taper longer than a month if you don't want it to be too painful.

Hey guys,

I haven't posted since like most addicts I was fooling myself to think I was gonna be done just like that and have been too embarrassed to admit it here and comment again after I was sooooo adamant in my previous comments "I refuse to re-supply" etc. I've tapered it down to a ridiculous point though. The only one left is Nitrazepam (with the odd addition of Clonazepam); however it is only once or twice a week. I'm not understating it, once on Saturday (I drink on Friday's and do not combine benzos with booze due to a death of someone close with loraz/whiskey mix) and then a couple of days of SMALL (to me) benzo dosages. 10-20 mg of Nitrazepam on SAT and SUN now does me nice. So I guess my finial question (haha, that's what I thought before) is if I can go a full 7 days without any benzos (record is actually 10 days but that was a while ago) am I still at any risk for serious side effects. I mean, if I have trouble sleeping that's whatever but I'm obviously was/is more concerned about seizures, depersonalization at the workplace or school etc... Is a week enough to be sure I'm passed the "scary stage"? Man, I feel like a total failure coming back here for this. If you guys don't wanna reply, I get it.

Thanks,

MusicFiend420

You should really cut the alcohol out of the equation since it works very similar to benzos so it's almost like another day of taking benzos when you get drunk. If you are worried about the seizures then definitely cut the alcohol out since it causes such a spike in the gabba levels and then a quick drop, which is what leads to seizures. That's why they use benzos to detox people from alcohol, since the levels are lowered much more slowly. For me benzo withdrawal peaked 2 weeks after stopping, and I have definitely heard of people having seizures a few weeks after quitting benzos.