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Benzos Benzo WD and electric shock syndrome - HELP!
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dont forget everyone's body is different
NeighborhoodThreat
Bluelight Crew
^Indeed.
OP (Opioten), please let us know when you get back online how everything is going...
OP (Opioten), please let us know when you get back online how everything is going...
chitown rollin
Bluelighter
yea i would like to know how you're doing.. hopefully ya got some sleep
Hi guys. Sorry if I was a little rude yesterday but I was having the worst day of my life. I ended up taking 60 mg in total yesterday and I slept (for like the first time in 6 days) and got 13 hours of sleep!
I regret SO MUCH that I took 100 mg of oxycodone, even though I am used to take more - but I was on my 6th day into WD's. I felt like shit after taking em' too and they stopped working for like 2 hours after I took em. I was used to take 200 mg. Am my opiate WD's going to reset now? I sure don't hope so
At least I know now for sure that I want to quit this and never take it again caus I have a lovely girlfriend I want to have a long future with.
Today I feel like shit still. My heart is racing a little bit, and I am not sure how much diazepam I should take tonight before I go to sleep. I don't want to take too much because I want to start tapering soon, but I think I should wait untill the opiate withdrawel is completely over - dont you guys think the same?
I am considering going to a 10 day rehab center on monday, and after that - start tapering down my benzo withdrawel untill I am on a pretty low dose. Then I will hit another rehab center where I am going to be for like a month or two and then I will be clean (I hope!)
I have never thought benzo wd's could be so massive. If someone is reading this and suffers from anxiety and have yet to try benzodiazepines - DON'T TOUCH EM'! They have ruined my life right now and I am fighting to get off em.
If someone know if the oxy I took yesterday will reset my WD's of opiates then please tell me caus' that's scaring me a bit!
I regret SO MUCH that I took 100 mg of oxycodone, even though I am used to take more - but I was on my 6th day into WD's. I felt like shit after taking em' too and they stopped working for like 2 hours after I took em. I was used to take 200 mg. Am my opiate WD's going to reset now? I sure don't hope so
At least I know now for sure that I want to quit this and never take it again caus I have a lovely girlfriend I want to have a long future with. Today I feel like shit still. My heart is racing a little bit, and I am not sure how much diazepam I should take tonight before I go to sleep. I don't want to take too much because I want to start tapering soon, but I think I should wait untill the opiate withdrawel is completely over - dont you guys think the same?
I am considering going to a 10 day rehab center on monday, and after that - start tapering down my benzo withdrawel untill I am on a pretty low dose. Then I will hit another rehab center where I am going to be for like a month or two and then I will be clean (I hope!)
I have never thought benzo wd's could be so massive. If someone is reading this and suffers from anxiety and have yet to try benzodiazepines - DON'T TOUCH EM'! They have ruined my life right now and I am fighting to get off em.
If someone know if the oxy I took yesterday will reset my WD's of opiates then please tell me caus' that's scaring me a bit!
infamousryan
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i am having a bit of electric shock when i try to fall asleep. around a year ago i got metal in my eye so i started ordering a shit ton of klonopin to cope (and not go back on pain killers) i went up to 6mg.. then, one day i jus dropped to 2mg. im now on 2mg for a month now and i still get a bit of electric shock..and insomnia.
however, i will continue to reduce my dose gradually, however i do not think it is yet time for me to move down. maybe in a week or two i will start reducing again.
however..
for some reason, i have found it easier and calming to sleep during the day
i think the electric shocks are due to lack of sleep. when i went to rehab, when i would try to sleep i would literally have a shock that would lift me a foot off of the bed.. and it was incredibly hard to sleep in rehab... I do not think it is anything life threatening, just PAWS (post acute widthdrawal syndrome)
its funny how they detox people however.. they detox people from xanax with valium, detox people from valium with klonopin, detox people from klonopin with librium..
librium IMO is the best drug to get off of benzos due to its long half life. i was able to get off of 6mg of suboxone with 6 librium a day which was only equivelent to around 1mg of xanax! (i was quite impressed myself with how well they worked..)
atleast someone else is in the same boat as me.. if you'd like to talk more message me.
however, i will continue to reduce my dose gradually, however i do not think it is yet time for me to move down. maybe in a week or two i will start reducing again.
however..
some people need them.. i absolutely cannot take SSRIs and Anti Depressants, they make me extremely sick.. and i get severe insomnia with or without drugs. and i had severe anxiety and panic attacks (which went away gradually after using benzos). some times i wouldnt sleep for 8 days at a time, and i would hallucinate and see it snowin' in my house. (this was when i first started taking xanax, ive used just about every popular benzo..)
for some reason, i have found it easier and calming to sleep during the day
i think the electric shocks are due to lack of sleep. when i went to rehab, when i would try to sleep i would literally have a shock that would lift me a foot off of the bed.. and it was incredibly hard to sleep in rehab... I do not think it is anything life threatening, just PAWS (post acute widthdrawal syndrome)
its funny how they detox people however.. they detox people from xanax with valium, detox people from valium with klonopin, detox people from klonopin with librium..
librium IMO is the best drug to get off of benzos due to its long half life. i was able to get off of 6mg of suboxone with 6 librium a day which was only equivelent to around 1mg of xanax! (i was quite impressed myself with how well they worked..)
atleast someone else is in the same boat as me.. if you'd like to talk more message me.
NeighborhoodThreat
Bluelight Crew
Hi guys. Sorry if I was a little rude yesterday but I was having the worst day of my life. I ended up taking 60 mg in total yesterday and I slept (for like the first time in 6 days) and got 13 hours of sleep!
I regret SO MUCH that I took 100 mg of oxycodone, even though I am used to take more - but I was on my 6th day into WD's. I felt like shit after taking em' too and they stopped working for like 2 hours after I took em. I was used to take 200 mg. Am my opiate WD's going to reset now? I sure don't hope so
Today I feel like shit still. My heart is racing a little bit, and I am not sure how much diazepam I should take tonight before I go to sleep. I don't want to take too much because I want to start tapering soon, but I think I should wait untill the opiate withdrawel is completely over - dont you guys think the same?
I am considering going to a 10 day rehab center on monday, and after that - start tapering down my benzo withdrawel untill I am on a pretty low dose. Then I will hit another rehab center where I am going to be for like a month or two and then I will be clean (I hope!)
I have never thought benzo wd's could be so massive. If someone is reading this and suffers from anxiety and have yet to try benzodiazepines - DON'T TOUCH EM'! They have ruined my life right now and I am fighting to get off em.
If someone know if the oxy I took yesterday will reset my WD's of opiates then please tell me caus' that's scaring me a bit!
Take however much diazepam you need to feel better, that is, however much removes the symptoms of the withdrawal. Please don't try and quit oxycodone cold turkey while quitting benzos at the same time. Quit one drug, then the other.
I would recommend quitting oxycodone and then benzos, but that choice is up to you. If you feel that you need to go to a rehab center to get everything stabilized and then taper your benzo dose down you should.
I'm willing the bet the doctors at the rehab center are more experienced with benzo withdrawal and will be able to serve you better than your doctor that just threw a Valium prescription in your face.
I already quit the oxycodone - thank god! That was some painful WD's. As I said yesterday I took 100 mg oxycodone yesterday (day 6 into my opiate withdrawel) and today I am afraid to go through the opiate WD's again. Will this happen? Or will I just go back to "day 5" if you know what I mean?
And as far as my benzo problem. Today I am going to take 20 mg diazepam and hope that is enough to keep the WD's away. I really don't wanna cramp again and feel like being in the electric chair!
And thanks for all the answers! I really appreciate it
And as far as my benzo problem. Today I am going to take 20 mg diazepam and hope that is enough to keep the WD's away. I really don't wanna cramp again and feel like being in the electric chair!
And thanks for all the answers! I really appreciate it
NeighborhoodThreat
Bluelight Crew
You will most likely still go through opiate withdrawal from that 100mg dose of oxycodone, I don't think it will be as severe, however.
If you can take 20mg diazepam and the WD symptoms go away, that is excellent. Just take what dosage you need to get rid of the WD symptoms.
I recommend seeing another doctor who has experience with benzos/benzo tapering plans. You need to get on a taper sooner rather than later.
If you can take 20mg diazepam and the WD symptoms go away, that is excellent. Just take what dosage you need to get rid of the WD symptoms.
I recommend seeing another doctor who has experience with benzos/benzo tapering plans. You need to get on a taper sooner rather than later.
Yesterday I only took 15 mg of diazepam and slept for 12 hours again (lol - I was indeed needing sleep! I will never quit opiates and benzoes at the same time again)
I am not sure if I have mentioned this but I stopped using diazepam 4 months ago and I didn't really have WD's. Then I relapsed after 30 days and I began using alprazolam, which I found out last friday that I can't stop CT
I have read alot about benzoes (and opiates aswell) the last couple of years, and I know a slow taper is the way to go, but since I have only used for 4 months this time, I don't want to go through a year long taper plan, since I feel like I put poisen into my mouth every night and it makes me depressed. Somehow I feel I can kick the diazepam much easier due to is long half life. Or I could kick the diazepam 4 months ago much easier at least.
When I stopped the diazepam 4 months ago it took 10 days or so untill I began having some WD's but I could always sleep etc. I am not sure how long I have been using diazepam at that time, but a lot longer than 4 months (but I didn't do it every day, more like 2 days out of 3 - if you know what I mean
I feel fine today btw. The oxycodone I took 2 days ago gave me a little set-back in WD's, but I actually feel opiate free now, which is great. I have alot of energy.
Tonight I am going to take 10 mg diazepam and I will do that for a couple of days to see how my body reacts. I can handle small WD's as long as I can sleep atleast 4 hours every night.
I have some questions I hope will be answered:
- Is it normal that alprazolam gives more intense WD symptoms than diazepam?
- Do I really need a very long taper?
- Is it "alright" to stop using diazepam again when I hit like 2,5 mg every night without severe WD's?
I feel like being an "outsider". I haven't used long, and I haven't used for like a couple of weeks. I can't really find any other cases online like me, so I really hope some wise benzo-people out there can guide me a little.
Damn.. Bluelight is really a nice place
I am not sure if I have mentioned this but I stopped using diazepam 4 months ago and I didn't really have WD's. Then I relapsed after 30 days and I began using alprazolam, which I found out last friday that I can't stop CT
I have read alot about benzoes (and opiates aswell) the last couple of years, and I know a slow taper is the way to go, but since I have only used for 4 months this time, I don't want to go through a year long taper plan, since I feel like I put poisen into my mouth every night and it makes me depressed. Somehow I feel I can kick the diazepam much easier due to is long half life. Or I could kick the diazepam 4 months ago much easier at least.
When I stopped the diazepam 4 months ago it took 10 days or so untill I began having some WD's but I could always sleep etc. I am not sure how long I have been using diazepam at that time, but a lot longer than 4 months (but I didn't do it every day, more like 2 days out of 3 - if you know what I mean
I feel fine today btw. The oxycodone I took 2 days ago gave me a little set-back in WD's, but I actually feel opiate free now, which is great. I have alot of energy.
Tonight I am going to take 10 mg diazepam and I will do that for a couple of days to see how my body reacts. I can handle small WD's as long as I can sleep atleast 4 hours every night.
I have some questions I hope will be answered:
- Is it normal that alprazolam gives more intense WD symptoms than diazepam?
- Do I really need a very long taper?
- Is it "alright" to stop using diazepam again when I hit like 2,5 mg every night without severe WD's?
I feel like being an "outsider". I haven't used long, and I haven't used for like a couple of weeks. I can't really find any other cases online like me, so I really hope some wise benzo-people out there can guide me a little.
Damn.. Bluelight is really a nice place
NeighborhoodThreat
Bluelight Crew
That's good to hear! Much easier to kick one drug at a time...
Yes, it is quite normal.
If you want to reduce the withdrawal symptoms, then yes. What you consider to be a "long withdrawal" is subjective and probably best figured out with a doctor who has benzo/benzo withdrawal and taper experience.
That really depends. Some people can jump off at 2.5mg, others can't. Probably something you need to figure out with your doctor (I don't know your medical history, etc, nor am I a doctor
)There a lot of users and ex-users of benzos on Bluelight, and many people who are in their tapers. If you'll find help anywhere online, it is most likely here
One last thing. I have a theory of why my body reacted so heavily.
I stopped using 1,5 mg alprazolam a day and 200 mg oxycodone a day at the same time. The opiate WD's was INSANE. I have been thorugh opiate WD before and I can usually sleep on day 3, but not this time because I stopped with the alprazolam at the same time (Last time I stopped with diazepam I also stopped using oxycodone, but I could sleep on day 3 - maybe because the diazepam wasn't out of the body yet). Well back to this case. Due to my insane lack of sleep over the course of almost 7 days my body reacted very heavily on the benzo WD's.
Could this be right? Caus' I don't feel that dependend on benzoes at all.
I stopped using 1,5 mg alprazolam a day and 200 mg oxycodone a day at the same time. The opiate WD's was INSANE. I have been thorugh opiate WD before and I can usually sleep on day 3, but not this time because I stopped with the alprazolam at the same time (Last time I stopped with diazepam I also stopped using oxycodone, but I could sleep on day 3 - maybe because the diazepam wasn't out of the body yet). Well back to this case. Due to my insane lack of sleep over the course of almost 7 days my body reacted very heavily on the benzo WD's.
Could this be right? Caus' I don't feel that dependend on benzoes at all.
NeighborhoodThreat
Bluelight Crew
Your lack of sleep certainly contributed to the severity of the benzo WDs, as did the fact that you were withdrawing off of opiates and benzos at the same time.
Just because you don't feel dependent on benzos doesn't mean you're not.
Just because you don't feel dependent on benzos doesn't mean you're not.
olsencorey0029
Greenlighter
I wish the best to you, i have been in thoses shoes before. If you do get back online make sure to drink lots of liquids and try to find a muscle relaxor that is NOT a benzodiazapine!!!
Is it easy to get a doc to give me a script for a muscle relaxor? And will those give me WD's?
I had this thought yesterday actually. Can you use opiates during benzo withdrawel - if you can't sleep at all etc? Caus' I can "easily" handle the opiate WD's.
Small update from last night: I took 10 mg of diazepam - slept 8 hours, and I feel fine (I know this isn't a blog, but I it really helps me alot to write to you guys in here)
I had this thought yesterday actually. Can you use opiates during benzo withdrawel - if you can't sleep at all etc? Caus' I can "easily" handle the opiate WD's.
Small update from last night: I took 10 mg of diazepam - slept 8 hours, and I feel fine (I know this isn't a blog, but I it really helps me alot to write to you guys in here)
NeighborhoodThreat
Bluelight Crew
I can't really answer this, but it would be even better for you to find a doctor to prescribe you a benzodiazepine to taper off with instead.
Yes you can, it's not recommended that you withdrawal off two drugs at the same time....
This is very good
I would say keep taking that 10mg of diazepam as long as it resolves your WD symptoms.Have you checked out The Ashton Manual - BENZODIAZEPINES: HOW THEY WORK
AND HOW TO WITHDRAW and benzo.org.uk? It's an amazing resource for determining how you set up your taper plan.
I highly recommend reading through The Ashton Manual (it's all online via that link) and checking out the other resources on benzo.org.uk, it will probably answer a lot of your questions.
Glad to hear you're doing better
NeighborhoodThreat:
Thank you for answering my questions, I really appreciate it!
I have already read the Ashton Manual but I will go through it again tomorrow My doc is already giving me diazepam, but she doesn't really know how to taper so I am doing that by myself by listening to my body and how I feel mentally.
Thank you for answering my questions, I really appreciate it!
I have already read the Ashton Manual but I will go through it again tomorrow
My doc is already giving me diazepam, but she doesn't really know how to taper so I am doing that by myself by listening to my body and how I feel mentally.A small update. Last night I took 2,5 mg and the night before that I took 5 mg. I don't really feel any WD symptoms at all. I get some minor muscle twitches but I barely notice em'.
I am beginning to think I had those bad WD's because I didn't sleep because of my opiate WD. I don't really feel any opiate withdrawel anymore. My legs are a little restless sometimes - but that's it. So it is going forward. Tonight I will only take 1,25 mg of diazepam. I know this is a fast taper, but since I don't feel any symptoms I think it is alright.
I am beginning to think I had those bad WD's because I didn't sleep because of my opiate WD. I don't really feel any opiate withdrawel anymore. My legs are a little restless sometimes - but that's it. So it is going forward. Tonight I will only take 1,25 mg of diazepam. I know this is a fast taper, but since I don't feel any symptoms I think it is alright.
Captain.Heroin
Bluelight Crew
Concurrent opiate and benzo withdrawal must be very unpleasant, I have only gone through the former.
NeighborhoodThreat
Bluelight Crew
^I'm with these guys. Taper your diazepam down slowly and make yourself as comfortable as possible. Too rapid of a taper will send you back into the WD symptoms you were trying to prevent.
Best of luck!
Best of luck!