Benzos Benzo Issues (Xanax esp.)

[Dunno]

cwake18
Originally Posted by Dunno

you must be a clone of me

Lol why do you say that

Because I am the same, but they are prescribed.
But I dont take that mucch
But an old psych from years ago said take more and still nothing.

 

[Dr_Robotnik]

Hi all,

So I've recently been having some issues with my benzo intake. To give a bit of background info, I only take the Pfizer purple footballs and the Serbian Galenika brand Ksalols.
For a few months, I would only have to take 4-6mg to get a really good buzz on, but all of a sudden it's like I'm immune to alprazolam. And benzos for that matter. Towards the end of last month, I was having to take about 10-12mg but it was still coing the job. Now, however, I received 150x10mg Roche Valium tabs yesterday and 75x1mg Pfizer Xanax tabs today. Between yesterday and today, I took the 1500mg of diazepam and today i took all 75mg of the alprazolam (not all at once of course, usually in 10-15mg increments). Finally, I took 30mg of the xanax tablets…..and felt nothing. no drowsiness, no slurring of the words, no nothing. It's depressing. for the sat few months i've been using alprazolam as my anxiety reliever and it's been marvelous. I went through 400mg of alprazolam after Christmas through new year. It sure as hell worked then. But now nothing.

I wanted to order more alp but I'm stumped. One would easily conclude that my tolerance is just through the roof and only time will fix it but just 40 days ago I was only taking 6mg and it was giving me the buzz I needed. I don't now what to do. Anyone else experience this or have any advice?


Thanks.

I haven't seen legit Roche's in 2-3 years. The Roche factory in Pakistan closed in 2010, any time I've had them recently they've either been phenazepam (you can tell by how long they take to do anything) or completely inactive. There have even been batches that were flat out chalk.

I'm also a bit curious did you buy both from the same source?

 

[cwake18]

I haven't seen legit Roche's in 2-3 years. The Roche factory in Pakistan closed in 2010, any time I've had them recently they've either been phenazepam (you can tell by how long they take to do anything) or completely inactive. There have even been batches that were flat out chalk.

I'm also a bit curious did you buy both from the same source?

So the first time I got Parke Davis Xanax, they were a darker purple, 50 of them crammed in a small baggie, not a single broken pill, quite small, very sturdy, potent and crunchy. This was about 10 months ago. Now that I've started to notice the color difference in the new parke-davis tabs I've been getting, I'm starting to think they're some seriously good counterfeits, or they're just made with a different dye or something in a different factory. I have no idea. But what I can tell you is that almost all of my vendors' sources I believe are in the Pakistan/India/Asia region, almost nothing comes from Europe except the Ksalols.


Alright, here's the proof I can gather. Over the past year I've obtained these exact same Roche 10's from 3-4 different vendors, all usually obtaining them from Pakistan, India, or nearby…Rarely from Europe. Only the Upjohn-90's come from Europe, and they're more expensive. Here are some pics I have gathered over the past year from the shipments I've received.

These are the most recent 150 I received, they are the same blue color as the following ones, but the incandescent lamp on my desk made them look white :-/
https://www.dropbox.com/sc/21rm3kwoeddakht/q8Lv4g7jdf

Here are the ones I received from a different vendor about a week before Christmas '13. Same color, note the color of the Parke-Davis xanax though.
https://www.dropbox.com/sc/vip0k627yzylvto/VMOOfriPUv

Here is a picture of a pile of a variety pack from vendor #3 that shows the same exact Roche 10's along with some Parke-Davis Xanax he sent. Notice that these parke-davis are much darker purple, they were sturdier, crunchy, potent, and not chalky (as in the logo would easily rub off) like the ones I got from picture number 2. And yes, I know, the bars are bootleg, but I guarantee you they're the best bars I've ever had.
https://www.dropbox.com/sc/h77fa1ou8lmkadx/Vbwr4Yj-Pt

And just for fun, some proper Upjohn90's, noticing the lighter purple color similar to the original parke-davis picture.
https://www.dropbox.com/sc/e4866z2i2i0yf5s/7SLiellgX6

 

[Dr_Robotnik]

It's hard to say anything from a picture bud, but I am 99% certain if you got Roches from Asia they are probably shite. The last time I had them was when I was coming off pure Xanax powder (in a PG solution) and I was taking like 9 of the Roches at once and they did sweet fuck all, took about 2 hours to kick in and the feeling was some other benzo, I'd guess phenazepam. I've seen them be complete duds before aswell.

The biggest give away for fake diazepams is the taste. I know straight away if I stick one under my tongue if they are real or not. Once you've had scripted blues from the national health service you can tell that the fakes taste different, I find diazepam has a very particular taste.

If your ordering benzo's and it is for personal use don't bother with PK sources the quality is nowhere near the EU ones I've had. The likes of Gedeon Richters, Apaurin, Bensedin brands all shit on Roche from a great height, infact they're on par with the M&A 10mg UK script blues IMO.

The Parke Davis Xanax I had a couple years back that were spot on were the same as the dark ones you posted I'd say, not crumbly at all. Never had crumbly Xanax. As for 2mg bars, from what I understand even the PK vendors who sell shit Roches 2mg bars are usually spot on aswell, at least anytime I've had them they were.

If your buying Valium though I would honestly switch to EU sources.

 

[cwake18]

I think one vendor gets them from EU and others get them from Asia. These are perfectly pressed authentic looking Roche 10 valiums. And they taste like Valium, you're right it does have a specific taste and I've been scripted them before.

I know they're real when I mix with a few of the serbian ksalols because they create a good euphoria. The ones I got most recently though I think were fake or some other benzo

 

[Dr_Robotnik]

I'd be pretty shocked if your getting real Roche valium. I live in the UK but I've not seen any decent Roche's in years now. Can't see how that would be different if you're based in the US or Australia.

 

[cwake18]

I mean I'm not trying to start an argument by any means, but I've gotten hundreds of these Roche 10's and hundreds of others have tried them and vouched that they're legit. I know placebo is powerful but it's not THAT powerful. Take a look at the pics I posted. The Vals aren't crumbly at all, they're sturdy, taste correct, and have every correct detail down to the little ridges around the outside of the pill.

I still haven't decided on the purple Xanax. Pfizer makes better quality stuff than that to crble apart. I think the dark ones are legit and I just need to stick to my tried and true Ksalols

 

[Dr_Robotnik]

The consistency of the press means nothing I'm sorry to say. I've never had crumbly Roches at all, they're usually well pressed and sometimes some batches are shiney on the outside, if you chew one it's almost waxy.

I'm not saying what you had was all definitely bunk but I'd be surprised if you were getting legit Roches from Asia in the last 3 years or so. I would imagine your darker purple Xanax was legit though that's how I remember them.

It's funny how the Asian sources 2mg bars even are usually spot on yet their diazepam to my mind is nearly always shit. Try sourcing some Apaurin, Bensedin or Gedeon Richters, they really do wipe the floor with most Indian/Pakistani blues I've ever had.

I've actually come to prefer Etizolam to Xanax these days as it seems to provide more of a blissed feeling. For me it's half way between diazepam and alprazolam, which is pretty ideal.

 

[cwake18]

The consistency of the press means nothing I'm sorry to say. I've never had crumbly Roches at all, they're usually well pressed and sometimes some batches are shiney on the outside, if you chew one it's almost waxy.

I'm not saying what you had was all definitely bunk but I'd be surprised if you were getting legit Roches from Asia in the last 3 years or so. I would imagine your darker purple Xanax was legit though that's how I remember them.

It's funny how the Asian sources 2mg bars even are usually spot on yet their diazepam to my mind is nearly always shit. Try sourcing some Apaurin, Bensedin or Gedeon Richters, they really do wipe the floor with most Indian/Pakistani blues I've ever had.

I've actually come to prefer Etizolam to Xanax these days as it seems to provide more of a blissed feeling. For me it's half way between diazepam and alprazolam, which is pretty ideal.

I've read good things about etizolam and wanted to try it but I don't know how the fuck to get it!

And yeah, bensedin, apaurin, etc. Are way better than those random ass blue circles coming out of Asia. Personally, I think the Parke-Davis are leftovers. It's like the whole hemophilia FactorVIII and FactorIX scandal. They had so much fucking leftover product after the recall that they shipped it overseas and sold it to other countries, knowingly infecting people with hepatitis and HIV. If you haven't heard this, watch "Bad Blood" on Netflix.

When a factory shuts down, there's bound to be extras, but the PDs I've been getting lately from that source look like the lighter purple color of the Upjohn tabs, which are european and clearly good to go. The Dark crunchy ones are where it's at.

I'm at a loss though. So many sites advertise 5mg Roche and 10mg Roche blistered tabs even with the boxes. Usually paki sites. I know so many people selling these Roche 10's just like you describe, not crumbly, and slightly shiny coating. They don't taste like chalk either. And it pisses me off the amount of ONAX that comes from Asia. 2mg my ass. They're like 1.2mg max. Then there's the Somaid diazepam and the safe pharma DAZ 10's that I assume are all bullshit. I guess it's easy for them to press round blue pills there and tougher to press good looking footballs. Lol.

I haven't personally ordered straight from India/paki but I have gotten plenty of shit from there and it's mostly garbage. Tranax are a poor excuse for alprazolam, although torrent pharma makes decent stuff I hear.

Anyway, back to my point. I think benzos are a black hole. They suck you in at 0.5mg but in a few months leave you needing 4-6mg to feel the same buzz, much harder to acquire when they only make 2mg alp/kpin/Ativan. However, you've got brotizolam, midazolam, and more that are for those seeking their benzo bliss indefinitely. For me, opiates were much less complicated. I could score any time of day, not have to come up with ridiculous amounts of money to order pills online and pray to god I don't get fucked by the USPS in the process.

I could use a bar right now man

 

[Dr_Robotnik]

I've read good things about etizolam and wanted to try it but I don't know how the fuck to get it!

And yeah, bensedin, apaurin, etc. Are way better than those random ass blue circles coming out of Asia. Personally, I think the Parke-Davis are leftovers. It's like the whole hemophilia FactorVIII and FactorIX scandal. They had so much fucking leftover product after the recall that they shipped it overseas and sold it to other countries, knowingly infecting people with hepatitis and HIV. If you haven't heard this, watch "Bad Blood" on Netflix.

When a factory shuts down, there's bound to be extras, but the PDs I've been getting lately from that source look like the lighter purple color of the Upjohn tabs, which are european and clearly good to go. The Dark crunchy ones are where it's at.

I'm at a loss though. So many sites advertise 5mg Roche and 10mg Roche blistered tabs even with the boxes. Usually paki sites. I know so many people selling these Roche 10's just like you describe, not crumbly, and slightly shiny coating. They don't taste like chalk either. And it pisses me off the amount of ONAX that comes from Asia. 2mg my ass. They're like 1.2mg max. Then there's the Somaid diazepam and the safe pharma DAZ 10's that I assume are all bullshit. I guess it's easy for them to press round blue pills there and tougher to press good looking footballs. Lol.

I haven't personally ordered straight from India/paki but I have gotten plenty of shit from there and it's mostly garbage. Tranax are a poor excuse for alprazolam, although torrent pharma makes decent stuff I hear.

Anyway, back to my point. I think benzos are a black hole. They suck you in at 0.5mg but in a few months leave you needing 4-6mg to feel the same buzz, much harder to acquire when they only make 2mg alp/kpin/Ativan. However, you've got brotizolam, midazolam, and more that are for those seeking their benzo bliss indefinitely. For me, opiates were much less complicated. I could score any time of day, not have to come up with ridiculous amounts of money to order pills online and pray to god I don't get fucked by the USPS in the process.

I could use a bar right now man

Never knew about the Hep/HIV thing man that's nuts! Do you have a link anywhere I could read what happened? Yet another reason I won't be using any Asian sources for benzo's anytime soon!

Etizolam is great mate, as I say I'd put it somewhere between Alprazolam and Diazepam, packs the punch of Xanax, dose of 2-3mg is pretty similar to a bar. Yet it has a hint of the muscle relaxant properties you'd get from Valium too. That plus the price makes it a winner. Was waiting for 100mg of it this morning but it's a no show, probably tomorrow now. It's much cheaper bang for buck than either decent Xanax or Valium are for me aswell, doesn't mean ordering from overseas vendors to get the better EU benzo's either.

The imitations they make are pretty good. I've seen Teva scripts that looked perfect, yet my mate had to take the entire strip to feel anything. That's with no real tolerance too! From my experience with Xanax the bars I got were definitely 2mg, and the footballs were always good when I ordered them (not for about 2 years), although the source I was getting them from had the HK 10mgs (I believe the genuine successor to the Roches?), Apaurins, genuine Temazepam, DHC, Zopiclone and another Z drug that I can't remember the name of but came in handy.

I've been off the daily benzo use for a while now thank fuck. I still find great relief from them though. Pretty gutted my Etiz isn't here today aswell haha!

 

[Blind Melon]

First off stay away from Etizolam (just my $0.02). Comes with a much stronger compulsion to re-dose than I feel with any other 'diazepine, and I've tried quite a few. Also, I feel tolerance builds 3x faster than any other 'diazepine (probably due in large part to that re-dose compulsion, almost like cocaine). I went from eating 8-10mg a day for a blissful experience to mackin 33mg in one swallow to little effect (Yes, they came from the same vendor).

And Xanax is over-rated too. Too short of a half-life for me, not enough muscle relaxation, too much memory loss. Don't confuse me though, I love the stuff, it's just one of my last choices when acquiring benzos. Great for sedation though.

Bromazepam and Clonazepam (Klonopin) are my favorites. In addition to being anxiolytic with a commendable duration they have it all: mild euphoria, muscle relaxation, lowered inhibitions w/o too much loss of cognitive function. These two are my precious.

Valium is great too, especially for newbies to benzos or people looking to potentiate Opiates. More mild than Klonopin and Xanax, but with a half-life that just won't quit.

As for faked benzos: I always see faked Roche Valium. Sometimes chalky, sometimes shiny and tight. The shiny ones are almost always stronger. But in my experience none of the "boot-leg" Valium is too bad.

"Boot-leg" (don't know what else to call it?) Xanax/Alprazolam is a whole 'nother story. I've found the ones in blister packs to be by far the most reliable (even those funny little round ones with no markings on the pill), while the unmarked ladders usually wrapped up in 10 or 25 packs of plastic seem to be the weakest and most inconsistent. I would not waste my money on these.

Also: Ativan is a great middle ground benzo. Highly recommend it. Also mixing benzos is nice. Lay a Klonopin foundation with a Xanax finish.

 

[cwake18]

Never knew about the Hep/HIV thing man that's nuts! Do you have a link anywhere I could read what happened? Yet another reason I won't be using any Asian sources for benzo's anytime soon!

Etizolam is great mate, as I say I'd put it somewhere between Alprazolam and Diazepam, packs the punch of Xanax, dose of 2-3mg is pretty similar to a bar. Yet it has a hint of the muscle relaxant properties you'd get from Valium too. That plus the price makes it a winner. Was waiting for 100mg of it this morning but it's a no show, probably tomorrow now. It's much cheaper bang for buck than either decent Xanax or Valium are for me aswell, doesn't mean ordering from overseas vendors to get the better EU benzo's either.

The imitations they make are pretty good. I've seen Teva scripts that looked perfect, yet my mate had to take the entire strip to feel anything. That's with no real tolerance too! From my experience with Xanax the bars I got were definitely 2mg, and the footballs were always good when I ordered them (not for about 2 years), although the source I was getting them from had the HK 10mgs (I believe the genuine successor to the Roches?), Apaurins, genuine Temazepam, DHC, Zopiclone and another Z drug that I can't remember the name of but came in handy.

I've been off the daily benzo use for a while now thank fuck. I still find great relief from them though. Pretty gutted my Etiz isn't here today aswell haha!

The hep/HIV scandal was a sad event that will hopefully never happen again in the history of modern medicine. They were using unfiltered donated plasma to create FactorVIII to stop internal bleeding for hemophiliacs. Instead they all ended up with Hep or AIDS because the vat the formula was created from contained the virus, every time. Look up the movie called "Bad Blood".

My point was simply that even when it was pointed out what was happening, the pharma company had shitloads of leftovers, just as a closed factory would have leftovers that likely got shifted to black market.


Blind melon: I agree with the Xanax thoughts. I forgot 70-80% of what I do on a good Xanax trip and the euphoria is no longer there, not to mention the skeletal muscle relaxation is nonexistent. Valium is great for muscle relaxation, and I recall ONE time I took a single 0.5mg kpin and took the most blissfully muscle relaxed nap ever. I'm prescribed 60 of the fuckers a month now and I could eat 10mg and feel nothing. Kpins do nothing to me. versed is a kickass benzo but its half life is so damn short. I wanna look I to Bromazepam and brotizolam, as well as some 2.5mg lorazepam tabs because I've heard it is a nice warm feel.

When I had no benzo tolerance in the hospital I got 2mg lorazepam IV and felt pretty good. Little memory loss too. The hypnotic benzos are shit for recreational value. I took 4 temazepam once and just took a faceplant on my bed for 3 hours.

 

[Dr_Robotnik]

I'll look this hep/HIV thing up I think, pretty shocking. I bet they did sell the leftovers on though your right.

Completely agree with yourself and Blind Melon. Xanax is just forgetful and as you say the skeletal muscle relaxation is non existent. You don't even really know you're on anything, but it is great for sleeping or dealing with hangovers/comedowns after alcohol/stimulant use. Valium is the best for muscle relaxation, can't say I even found Clonazepam great for it's muscle relaxant properties. Valium is the best for it anyway.

Blind Melon
First off stay away from Etizolam (just my $0.02). Comes with a much stronger compulsion to re-dose than I feel with any other 'diazepine, and I've tried quite a few. Also, I feel tolerance builds 3x faster than any other 'diazepine (probably due in large part to that re-dose compulsion, almost like cocaine). I went from eating 8-10mg a day for a blissful experience to mackin 33mg in one swallow to little effect (Yes, they came from the same vendor).

Have to disagree with this though. I find Etizolam to be a pretty potent drug by all accounts. Packs a similar punch to Xanax at high doses yet has some of the muscle relaxant properties of diazepam. It's like someone on here put it, if valium and Xanax had a child.. it would be Etizolam. I also love the fact that even at high ish doses the memory loss is nowhere near as bad as Xanax, plus it's half the price. Like all drugs though it is subjective. I don't get that blissed out chill feeling at all off Xanax, but my mate loves the stuff, yet he doesn't get that feeling from valium. YMMV and all that I guess.

 

[Dr_Robotnik]

cwake18 clear your inbox dude. I just replied to the direct mail you sent aswell.

 

[cwake18]

cwake18 clear your inbox dude. I just replied to the direct mail you sent aswell.

My apologies, I just replied. This 5 message inbox limit is really freaking annoying.

 

[Dr_Robotnik]

Sweet I got it. Sent you a download for pidgin messenger we can chat on there. Sounds like we're in a similar boat.