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TheFallenOne

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Been on them for close to 20 years, Xanax and kpins.
Teva changed their formula a few years ago...my dr found this out for me then got sick and retired.
Forced from 8mg to 1 a day.
Nearly killed me.
These new clonazapam generics I believe are all synthetic garbage.
I have not made music since they changed the formula
Can not find a dr to prescribe Xanax(young new fools pushing bad meds)

Trusted place I found recently that saved my life for a good month out of stock.

It’s like death clouds my existence without the proper ones,
Just got done blue ones from some unknown person.,,,b707
I know there’s a legit company that makes them with these markings.

I also know what I need to take to freel normal. Sure getting high is fun years of being on benzos I just want to smile again.

I never post here. Just come when looking for info
I do not really except anyone to lend a hand I can not blame you
People suck.
Saying I’m a decent person means nothing through this screen.

I’m considering buying straight powder and making a tincture.
I know there as ok places online.
Do not expect anyone to let me know.

Willing to stick around and prove I’m actually seeking help for awhile if that’s what it takes.

I just took 12mgs of these things.
Usually 3mgs brings out the smiles.

Trying to find a dr to work with me tired of it.
They put me on them when I did not want them
Now I’ve developed problems where I need them..BFS(shit will drive you mad)

I use to take 4mg of clonazapam and in 30 minutes I’d be sleeping like a baby
Since they changed em
I can take 4mg and walk 20 miles.
These are not the same meds.

My best friend could also not make music without Xanax. He is now dead.

Thank you for any information,
All this could be fixed with a dr..my dr was oldschool and knew I needed them. These new Drs are slowly killing me.
 
welcome to bluelight.

situation sounds frustrating. doctors are frustrating.

the active ingredients in xanax and klonopin have not changed. what has is the black market for pharmaceuticals. it’s full of presses now. bars “from some unknown person” are counterfeit.
 
HEy there @TheFallenOne

I have noticed the same thing in my country when it comes to buying the generic version of meds, specifically in this case benzos. I use diazepam, bromazepam and alzam and i can also agree that when i get the generics they also feel weaker and this is from the pharmacy not of the street, its scripted. So i also would like to know if generics are dosed lower or changed some way or is it just all in the mind because you know it's a generic and not the original make. anyhow maybe more people will add to this.

Regards
CofeeShroom
 
TheFallenOne said:
Been on them for close to 20 years, Xanax and kpins.
Teva changed their formula a few years ago...my dr found this out for me then got sick and retired.
Forced from 8mg to 1 a day.
Nearly killed me.
These new clonazapam generics I believe are all synthetic garbage.
I have not made music since they changed the formula
Can not find a dr to prescribe Xanax(young new fools pushing bad meds)

Trusted place I found recently that saved my life for a good month out of stock.

It’s like death clouds my existence without the proper ones,
Just got done blue ones from some unknown person.,,,b707
I know there’s a legit company that makes them with these markings.

I also know what I need to take to freel normal. Sure getting high is fun years of being on benzos I just want to smile again.

I never post here. Just come when looking for info
I do not really except anyone to lend a hand I can not blame you
People suck.
Saying I’m a decent person means nothing through this screen.

I’m considering buying straight powder and making a tincture.
I know there as ok places online.
Do not expect anyone to let me know.

Willing to stick around and prove I’m actually seeking help for awhile if that’s what it takes.

I just took 12mgs of these things.
Usually 3mgs brings out the smiles.

Trying to find a dr to work with me tired of it.
They put me on them when I did not want them
Now I’ve developed problems where I need them..BFS(shit will drive you mad)

I use to take 4mg of clonazapam and in 30 minutes I’d be sleeping like a baby
Since they changed em
I can take 4mg and walk 20 miles.
These are not the same meds.

My best friend could also not make music without Xanax. He is now dead.

Thank you for any information,
All this could be fixed with a dr..my dr was oldschool and knew I needed them. These new Drs are slowly killing me.
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I used to have a love affair with benzos, clonazepam in particular. I spent many hours in city centers listening for the call "Pins! ... Pins!"

I had a prescription but was always supplementing. 30 x 2 mg or 60 x 1 mg but I would need to take 2-three at a time.

However even in the depths of my dishonesty I never made the claim to anyone they helped my creativity. I needed them to stifle worry and the inner critic. But I abused them since removing suffering wasn't enough.

When I was really hard up there was a woman from Central America who sold antibiotics & other drugs from Latin America including foil strips of Nervo Tiamina that contained 2 mg diazepam ea. I was a regular customer until they changed the formula to doxylamine.

Anyway a lot of happened including a nervous breakdown but the end result was several years of total sobriety followed more recently with taking some different things that I didn't like before getting back onto my old dose of 2mg Klonopin day and sticking to it, with room to spare. It's a very useful drug with a very good safety profile unlike Xanax which should be a schedule 2 drug based on the horrific withdrawal syndrome.

I hope you find someone good to prescribe it again, keeping in mind the proverb physician heal thyself, or at least be honest with yourself: there's no music.
 
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Coffeeshroom said:
HEy there @TheFallenOne

I have noticed the same thing in my country when it comes to buying the generic version of meds, specifically in this case benzos. I use diazepam, bromazepam and alzam and i can also agree that when i get the generics they also feel weaker and this is from the pharmacy not of the street, its scripted. So i also would like to know if generics are dosed lower or changed some way or is it just all in the mind because you know it's a generic and not the original make. anyhow maybe more people will add to this.

Regards
CofeeShroom
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The FDA allows that generics can vary as much as 10% plus or minus proprietary formulas but must contain the same active ingredient
 
They changed their formula on clonazapam.
I believe them to be synthetic chemicals. I may be able to try getting non generics. Doubt it though

I need my life back.

Always did better on Xanax.


These blue b707 that claim to be 2mg seem less than half the strength.
Feel complete different.


Looks like my only option is to find a reliable source which is a pain in the ass cuz I ain’t rich to be buying fakes or make my own and hope I do not kill myself in the process.

No music
No smiles
No point in being here
 
Regarding diazepam
I tried that too

I do not even feel like I’ve taken any at 20mg

I was on prescribed opiates also for 20 years

I’m a complete mess now and I’ve lost all my drs that knew I needed what I needed to function.

I have the worst adhd from all that dopamine abuse
They will do nothing but offer anti depressants.
They do NOT help,
 
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Everyone’s different
No Benzos no music
hydroazuanacaine said:
welcome to bluelight.

situation sounds frustrating. doctors are frustrating.

the active ingredients in xanax and klonopin have not changed. what has is the black market for pharmaceuticals. it’s full of presses now. bars “from some unknown person” are counterfeit.
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about 3 years ago teva changed the formula.
Not my opinion.
Petitions were created.

4mgs would put me to sleep
New ones sick for a month now I can take 8mg and walk 20 miles.
 
darvocet21 said:
I used to have a love affair with benzos, clonazepam in particular. I spent many hours in city centers listening for the call "Pins! ... Pins!"

I had a prescription but was always supplementing. 30 x 2 mg or 60 x 1 mg but I would need to take 2-three at a time.

However even in the depths of my dishonesty I never made the claim to anyone they helped my creativity. I needed them to stifle worry and the inner critic. But I abused them since removing suffering wasn't enough.

When I was really hard up there was a woman from Central America who sold antibiotics & other drugs from Latin America including foil strips of Nervo Tiamina that contained 2 mg diazepam ea. I was a regular customer until they changed the formula to doxylamine.

Anyway a lot of happened including a nervous breakdown but the end result was several years of total sobriety followed more recently with taking some different things that I didn't like before getting back onto my old dose of 2mg Klonopin day and sticking to it, with room to spare. It's a very useful drug with a very good safety profile unlike Xanax which should be a schedule 2 drug based on the horrific withdrawal syndrome.

I hope you find someone good to prescribe it again, keeping in mind the proverb physician heal thyself, or at least be honest with yourself: there's no music.
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After re-reading I see how certain things I said come across as insensitive or even arrogant. Which wasn't my intention. I'm open to the possibility that benzos might facilitate creativity in certain individuals, either directly or as a result of removing debilitating anxiety, depression and so on.

That goes for all substances not just benzos. Also the same substance taken by somebody at different times can produce different and even contradictory effects... it would be silly and narrow-minded to suggest my experiences would necessarily be anyone else's
 
TheFallenOne said:
I believe them to be synthetic chemicals.
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Hello and welcome!!
I just wanted to say that you are correct about your benzos being synthetic. As are all benzos bc benzodiazepines do not occur in nature.

I would think your issues with pills not working are due to tolerance and not lower quality generic drugs. 20 years is a longtime to use benzos and still expect to get much from 4mg alprazolam. Most people's tolerance grows much faster than that. Just a thought to consider.
Good luck and welcome again!
 
TheFallenOne said:
about 3 years ago teva changed the formula.
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Apparently so (although I'll admit I had to verify it this morning) (see interesting link below albeit a collection of patient observations and comments but does contain some verifiable technical information).


darvocet21 said:
The FDA allows that generics can vary as much as 10% plus or minus proprietary formulas but must contain the same active ingredient
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darvocet21 said:
Roughly speaking, the 10% swing usually is to the South
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Same as noted above i.e. I found links this morning where said allowable FDA range is purported to be anywhere between 10% and 20%. Depends on the source of course (and I didn't look for an official document).


Personally I don't give a flying fuck what any website, medical professional, of pharmaceutical company says: there is a difference between brand name and generic. Supposedly the active ingredient must be the same. But the inactive ingredients need not be the same. And that difference in and of itself can make a difference to the efficacy or pharmaceutical action (for any number of reasons).

And in my checking this morning (although this not the first time I've been down this rabbit hole): when a pharmaceutical company switches to a generic there isn't the same scrutiny applied by the FDA. They only have to prove that it contains the same active ingredient and in the same strength (there's a little more to it than that but not much).

And from a pure logic (and business) point of view (forget about any preconceived notions or anything psychosomatic): does it make any sense whatsoever for the same pharmaceutical company to be manufacturing and selling both their patented product and their own generic product at the same time and at vastly different prices (bearing in mind that as long as they have the patent nobody else can manufacture said product generic or otherwise)? Prozac and Fluoxetine (Eli-Lilly) being a prime example. Somehow, somewhere, the generic is taking a knock. Whether it be in quality, quantity, manufacturing process, whatever. You cannot tell me that the difference in cost comes to down to having to have a different shape, color, and packaging and nothing else. And think about it: even the quality and difference (and therefore price) between different pill casings or gel capsules could make a difference (release times).

Anecdotally here's another good one: how come some Zopiclone generics have a distinct metallic aftertaste while others do not? Point being there's even a difference between generics (manufacturer dependent). In this example: who knows what the difference is. But this has come up more than once on these forums just in the relatively short space of time that I've been mucking about here.

None of the above solves the OP's problem(s). But there's enough shit floating around on the Internet to suggest that, especially after all of this time, there's a little bit more to this than simple tolerance. Tolerance builds over time i.e. you don't go from 19 years and 11 months of being intolerant to a substance to suddenly becoming tolerant in the space of a month is my point.

The above ranting aside: it's worth mentioning that other factors can play a part e.g. change in lifestyle, diet, etc. And it is true that benzodiazepines can come back to bite i.e. exacerbate the very conditions they were prescribed for in the first place. But after 20 years? Nah. Not unless something else has changed drastically!

That's one thing we're fortunate with here in South Africa i.e. there are no sub-standard generic manufacturers or that cut corners. This shit is more strictly controlled and quality assured than is the policing of illicit narcotics and that's no joke. So don't you start squealing @Coffeeshroom! Believe me: it could be a lot worse! 🤣


www.drugs.com

Clonazepam - Why did Teva stop making their old formula and go to using Actavis brand which is Weak?

36 Answers - Posted in: paracetamol teva, anxiety - Answer: TEVA bought out Activis a while back, and stopped making their own...
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This Is How Quickly Valium Takes to Work

Valium (diazepam) is a benzodiazepine commonly used to treat anxiety symptoms. Learn more about how long it takes to start working.
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