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Benzo Discussion Vol. 2

I actually agree brimz, i was scripted them from an early age but after that stopped i couldnt do without. Wont accept anymore scripts now i'm older as i can just get them anyway for next to nothing, the availability is frightening. Still, im not sure i could do without them psychologically and tapering to 30mg/day which i dont even feel (dont really feel any dose anymore) but just keeps me sane knowing that its there, dunno what to do next as i cant taper as quick as i did down to 30 and even then its sleepless nights, ended up taking 120mg last night before i could kip for a few hours.
But yeah, the availability is stupid. Ther'l be a clampdown soon enough i reckon though..

Then again, im not sure how i would've coped without the availability..
 
ColourfulKronos said:
But yeah, the availability is stupid. Ther'l be a clampdown soon enough i reckon though..
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It's already against the law to possess them without prescription (and more so to import them as people seem to be doing), so what form would that 'clampdown' take?

The overseas pharmacies and other benzo sources are exactly that - overseas, so the UK police have no powers whatsoever to stop their trade. The 'best' that can be hoped for is an improvement in the efficiency of Customs in seizing the packages, which won't stop it at all.

This kind of thing didn't start with the internet. There have been imported (and in the case of temazepam even domestically produced) 'rogue' benzos available on the street for the whole of my lifetime (aside from the people I previously mentioned who sold their scripts and the doctors who wrote those scripts).

The only major difference is you had to know a dealer back then. Who was very likely to have been making money off something other than benzos. Figure it out...
 
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ColourfulKronos said:
Then again, im not sure how i would've coped without the availability..
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precisely.

i totally understand and agree with your worry brimz. but i think what you say can be applied to any addictive illicit substance, though with the obvious difference that withdrawal here is death.

i honestly think that a bigger problem is GPs not scripting them in clear cases where they're needed, and when scripting them, giving stupidly small doses. refer you back to the 6 months i spent unable to eat or sleep last year, i get 56mg diaz for the whole thing despite losing a stone in weight and a history of EDs. then my most recent GPs visit, every single physical symptom of anxiety in spades and still nothing, i didn't ask though. chances of me going back and putting myself through that frustration when i can just get them on the street (I DO NOT PERSONALLY BUY THESE ONLINE AND WOULD GO WITHOUT RATHER THAN TAKING THAT RISK)? nil. had i gone home and committed suicide, which i was seriously considering, I would have made that GP incident known to my family. the last time i went to a GP in that state was in a foreign country and they had some hardcore sedatives (no clue what they were) to hand, which seems sensible and safe in a fucking medical centre and i was not allowed to leave until I had calmed down.

the situation with GPs has forced people with legitimate need to go onto the black market. and as you say, the discounts of buying in bulk are immense, its dangerous but I blame health policy not people looking for a way to leave the house without tears streaming down their face.
 
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SamhainGrim said:
It's already against the law to possess them without prescription (and more so to import them as people seem to be doing), so what form would that 'clampdown' take?

The overseas pharmacies and other benzo sources are exactly that - overseas, so the UK police have no powers whatsoever to stop their trade. The 'best' that can be hoped for is an improvement in the efficiency of Customs in seizing the packages, which won't stop it at all.

This kind of thing didn't start with the internet. There have been imported (and in the case of temazepam even domestically produced) 'rogue' benzos available on the street for the whole of my lifetime (aside from the people I previously mentioned who sold their scripts and the doctors who wrote those scripts).

The only major difference is you had to know a dealer back then. Who was very likely to have been making money off something other than benzos. Figure it out...
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I haven't really thought it through thoroughly, but a customs clampdown i guess. Most americans that buy online will only order from domestic suppliers as the seizure rate is so high, especially from 'suspect' countries where these dirt dirt cheap benzos are coming from

No it didnt start with the internet. But its increased availability a fuck of alot more
 
Benzodiazepine+ question

Ok, not sure if this deserves own thread (done some initial research but likely could have done more) - mods I unreservedly respect your judgement here.... ;)

I am long time member though n show good time.

Also posted this in EADD as it my favorite Forum by far and trust the views far more than any other place.... Lots of wonderful heads here

So just wanted people's views on the following, thoughts, effects, experiences and recreational value/Recommendation (last 2 obviously linked)

0.5mg or 2mg clonazepams (no experience of this, sounds very long lasting, heard alot about phenazepam but not this)

15mg oxazepams - never heard of these

Zyprexa wafers (Olanzapine - different class and was not sure had any recreational value or poly drug use I.e for stim comedowns etc.)

I have had experience with diazepam, lorazepam, mogadons (temazepam?) and Xanax to mention the most relevant. Also wondered are 2mg valiums strong or weak? (swear I used to have 5s or 10s, just can't remember).

An advice greatly appreciated, mods have pity on my broken soul

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oxazepams are pretty useless tbh, some anxiety releif but nothing else.

Clonazepam is nice, provides a nice sense of well being plus kills all anxiety, and doesnt cause sedation which alot of benzos seem to do. 2mg is about on par with 40mg diazepam strength wise, but wont cause the same amount of sedation.

No idea on the other one but pretty sure its not recreational, think its an anti psycotic.

And when you mean mogadons = nitrazepam :)
 
hi, I am going to move this into the benzo thread as i don't think it warrants its own thread, if you have any problems with that, just let me know.

in answer to your qs-

clonaz are great for sleep. i have a psychological thing preventing me from using this drug recreationally so can't comment there.

no clue about oxaz, sorry.

olanzapine is an anti psychotic i believe, knew someone on it he liked it cos it helped him sleep but hated it because it turned him into even more of a zombie than benzos do.

and please, heed the message posted by brimz on the previous page if you're buying these things online. respect these drugs.

edit- haha just noticed me and bnb say precisely the opposite about clonaz, subjectivity is inherent to these types of discussions.
 
Cheers guys - mods I am just disgusted that u merged this (note sarcasm).

So one say clonaz sleep other say no. To sleep or not too sleep?

Bignb - I had written a funnier response to your initial response but think did it mid merge and has vanished.
 
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Just wrote a long reply which got lost in the merge I think!

Basically, yes olanzapine is an antipsychotic. It's classed as a "thienobenzodiazepine" and has weak action at GABA-a receptors (so weak benzo-like action) but is much more active at other receptors such as serotonin and noradrenaline. It is also an anticholinergic.

This means yes it will chill you a bit and make you sleepy, but it also has a fuckload of other effects and isn't really one to be taken recreationally/lightly. Tis meant to be used in psychosis/schizophrenia. Espesh in high doses it can cause movement disorders, restlessness, has potential to cause an acute dystonic reaction (uncomfortable twisting and tightening of neck and face muscles - rare but extremely unpleasant), hunger, dry mouth and delirium.

If used safely for intended use it can be a really excellent drug with minmal side effects but is really not one to play around with recreationally imo..

Interestingly, etizolam (currently legal and available to buy online) is also a thienobenzodiazepine with a much higher affinity for the GABA receptors, and is very pleasant inded IMO :)

Personally I loved clonaz, long lasting and very sedating, body felt heavy compared to some benzos. I believe I had 2mg doses but can't remember and YMMV of course according to tolerance.
 
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neilios said:
So one say clonaz sleep other say no. To sleep or not too sleep?
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Trial and error is the only way to tell with benzos. I've heard of people taking clonaz to aid sleep and it working fine, but I've also heard a lot of people give an account similar to BnB's.

Clonazepam isn't one of the benzos I have any real experience with so I can't offer you my own view, but I'd experiment with different benzos if you're set on doing so. Always bear in mind that it's not a good idea to be taking them long term though.
 
neilios said:
Cheers guys - mods I am just disgusted that u merged this (note sarcasm).

So one say clonaz sleep other say no. To sleep or not too sleep?

Bignb - I had written a funnier response to your initial response but think did it mid merge and has vanished.
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oh no! i didn't know merging lost peoples replies. sorry guys!!!

so, when i used clonaz to sleep, the thing preventing me from sleeping was a very loud racing heartbeat, i.e. anxiety.
 
benzos affect everyone differently, but for the most, people i speak too clonazepam provides little sedation and is good for functioning on in the day anxiety free, it also causes the least memory loss.

Thats my experience with it too :)
 
It's really funnw how different people find different things - I felt it was very physically sedating. Not so mentally though.

Definitely YMMV when it comes to benzos!
 
FlippingTop said:
awesome nights sleep from phenazepam.
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Do you get crazy ass dreams on benzos? I use during the day and don't often get sleepy on them (been using benzos for about 11 years now) but if I DO and start feeling like I really need to nap I fight it off with scads of caffeine because if I go to bed dear lord are my dreams nuts, in a very unpleasant, exhausting way. Then I wake up feeling weird and unhappy a couple hours later. Waste 'o drugs!
 
effie said:
It's really funnw how different people find different things - I felt it was very physically sedating. Not so mentally though.

Definitely YMMV when it comes to benzos!
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ditto! wish i had some right now. clonaz works better than any benzo i've tried for sleep (and i've tried alot!)
 
Cheers for replies before guys.

Just also wondered about the real long duration of clonazepam and the impact of this, never had a benzodiazepine with such a long half life. I.e will 1mg -2mg leave me groggy/tired/jellied for days or will sleep it off in first instance?

Gonna try the oxazepam also as intrigued by this one.

Ashame can only get 2mg Valium though, grrr, not enough either to make worthwhile!
 
clonazepam has a half life of about 50 hours, but you dont feel it for 50 hours, clonazepam actually has a longer duration than most benzos ive tried, about 12 hours, try half first, see how you feel and then try the other half. Its the least amnesic benzo around (for most people, but everyones different), so you will be fine :)
 
I'm down to 20mgs a day of Diaz and agreed yesterday with a coucsellor/ nurse to hold it at that for the next 5 dys with me stopping drinking on Friday...as in no more booze after Thursday.

He was a good guy comming up with the idea the doctors where suggesting I taper off the Diaz so I they could prescribe me a whole heap of Librium to come off thew alcohol :\

Its all a bit scarey I havent really faced life without some kind of daily habit for 15 years...they do say a chnage is as good as a rest =D
 
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