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Benzo Discussion Vol. 2

brimz said:
MY point is
Any Benzodiazipine drugs bought from the Internet ,do not comew with any garuntees
Therefore you could end up with anythig , THIS IS DANGEROUS
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Benzos are POM medicine cos THey are very addictive and dangerous , especisly when mixed with other substances, if you r buying from a INternet vendor no script is needed and no guidlines as to how the STrong drugs should be used (if at aLL)
A GP has to tell you this b4 dispencing simple.
E>G
WE have 17 year olds on BL getting copious amounts of benzos with no supervision at all and tottaly misusing them , it could end in tradegy very easy .

THis is Harm REduction coming from someone with years of xperience of taking the Benzo drugs n i hve seen many lifes ended and ruined due to pure naivety.
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Becarefull GUys n Gals
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All understood and exepted but since the sutuation with Heroin , coke and speed ....not to mention boooze is just as bad I'm not usre how re;event the point really is.

I think A 17 year old may well be just as likely to buy some heroin or crack off some random as they would order phenaz or any other benzo from the net.

Niether are great bthings to be doing but that is a reflection of bnoth humannature and this countries approach to drug laws.

People are going to get hold ofm addictive and dangerous substances one way or another, I havent seen anyone (including you) suggest a solution hence the endless threda going round and round the same issues

Dont get me wrong I think its about time the drug laws where fully reviwed , I'm not going to try and outline a soltuion now but there are better ways than what we have now.
 
monstanoodle said:
Chinup's talking about theraputic use though :)

Good luck on yer taper man!
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True but she also seemed to be saying she was getting them from unofficial sources.

I got mine to get off the booze, just didnt take into account the level of my twat ness:D
 
monstanoodle said:



Chinup - As stated, most Benzos rise tolerance at the same rate, there are a few that are a bit fast (I think Nitraz is one of them) but the best thing to do would be to use a long acting one so you don't need to use it as often :) The longer it acts, the less you'll need to use it, the slower your tolerance would rise ;)
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thanks. tis annoying though. i either have to sort out my sleep, ime thats a fortnight at least of being too tired to function, or accept paying far more for the luxury of sleep. my problem with the long acting ones is that, well, they're long acting. they have a noticeable effect on my work if i take them the night before. and sunday is the night i need them most as i have to get up at a standard time having usually got up past midday that day! i will just take this as another sign to cut down. though right now as i'm trying to cut down the ganj- i.e. a decade dependency, compared to 4 years for benzos- that will be hard. ugh. especially because due to the ganj reduction i'm finding it hard not to drink every night. if i don't, more insomnia.

why the fuck did i start taking these drugs at any other time than 3 hours after i'd originally intended to go to sleep?

and yes- Brimz. i accept your answer to my question 'don't take benzos.' you are totally right but that leaves me with nothing. i last left the gp with nothing (never asked, whats the point when you can get them anyway?), heaving and spasming due to extreme anxiety, having cried to the point of choking for the entire visit. i'd love to get to the point where i don't feel i need them but in my current state i do.

i'm even past worrying about the headfucking drugs i'll be on once i see a psychiatrist, hopefully soon as i'm at the end of the 4 week mood diary he needed for an accurate diagnosis, because i honestly think i need them. if they do sort me out then hopefully i wont look forward to the weekends as times i can just take a load of benzos and chill the fuck out.

i'm just glad to have an occupation that i am so committed to that these drugs actively prevent me from doing. otherwise i'd probably be badly addicted by now.
 
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^^^^

I really sad things are so bad for you, I went into secure care last year for about 3 weeks, like you I just could stop crying and the panic attacks made me feel like I had no connection with the world ...hullucinations and all the rest......you know the score.

whilst I would stay on it nonce released I found Chlorpromazine, better known by its USA name Thorazine really helped for that very difficult period, but you couldn't work n it ...you would leave the house without a good friend to make sure you made it home.

Hope you feel batter soon....I do agree with all the rest and Brimz Benzos are not the answer I started them due to my drinking, depression and panic attacks, but in reality they just made things worse. <3<3<3

On a better note I'm only 3 days into my Diaz taper I've stopped all the ADs coz they is making me more of a twat than I was already and I started to find all the thing's I'd lost whilst on my benzo binge.....found a special fountain Pen today I was sure I must have dropped last week and in the damed box ws my PCs 3g card =D=D
 
chinup said:
thanks. tis annoying though. i either have to sort out my sleep, ime thats a fortnight at least of being too tired to function, or accept paying far more for the luxury of sleep. my problem with the long acting ones is that, well, they're long acting. they have a noticeable effect on my work if i take them the night before. and sunday is the night i need them most as i have to get up at a standard time having usually got up past midday that day! i will just take this as another sign to cut down. though right now as i'm trying to cut down the ganj- i.e. a decade dependency, compared to 4 years for benzos- that will be hard. ugh. especially because due to the ganj reduction i'm finding it hard not to drink every night. if i don't, more insomnia.

why the fuck did i start taking these drugs at any other time than 3 hours after i'd originally intended to go to sleep?

and yes- Brimz. i accept your answer to my question 'don't take benzos.' you are totally right but that leaves me with nothing. i last left the gp with nothing (never asked, whats the point when you can get them anyway?), heaving and spasming due to extreme anxiety, having cried to the point of choking for the entire visit. i'd love to get to the point where i don't feel i need them but in my current state i do.

i'm even past worrying about the headfucking drugs i'll be on once i see a psychiatrist, hopefully soon as i'm at the end of the 4 week mood diary he needed for an accurate diagnosis, because i honestly think i need them. if they do sort me out then hopefully i wont look forward to the weekends as times i can just take a load of benzos and chill the fuck out.

i'm just glad to have an occupation that i am so committed to that these drugs actively prevent me from doing. otherwise i'd probably be badly addicted by now.
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I see your getting plenty of sympathy , n good 4 you i hope it helps:)

I haven't had any sympathy although my mental Health problems have had me signed o0ff for 14 years.

I think you should ask your doc for benzos .
If u tell the truth n take in the empty strips/ Boxes n explain you have been buying off the internet & are worried u may get something dangerous or fake.
I think he/she will probably script you.

You are lucky 2 have an occupatiom , i don't have shit n little chance of getting a job.
Also i've been on Heroin for 15plus years so give me a break i'm jus trying to0 prevent some of the younger members from trying benzos.
When they hear that they are widely availinle cheap on the internet they generally go n buy some .
So maybe you n others should keep mum about where you get en from,
n the kids wqon;t think "oh well if the MODS do itr then it must be fine)

I'd like to think that along with a few others in EADD i have some of the most knowledge of Benzos n this is from personall experience, n i can help any1 with em if they have a problem,
After thinkin on this i fee;l i have been scapegoated, cos of my script , it;s my doc that decides that not me.

Oh well if tou want any advice feel free to pm me
 
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I don't think anybody's saying benzos are good, especially long-term.

Some people really feel they need them for periods of anxiety, have tried all the other options and still get refused, so they look elsewhere. Nobody's encouraging it.

Your advice is often pretty sound Brimz - experience counts for a lot, but can we just let this one go? :)
 
SamhainGrim said:
I don't think anybody's saying benzos are good, especially long-term.

Some people really feel they need them for periods of anxiety, have tried all the other options and still get refused, so they look elsewhere. Nobody's encouraging it.

Your advice is often pretty sound Brimz - experience counts for a lot, but can we just let this one go? :)
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Done mate , but i no that u now i ain't dicksizing and i think in facti'm sure that u get my self depreciatting humour, i m a West ham fan FFS :)
many dont :\ unfortrunatley

Also i'm all for Harm Reduction with Benzos cos of my long addiction to them you no this as well.
I'll drop it now.
P.S i have been on DLA 4 mental health 4 well over a decade n they don't give u the rate i'm on if theirs nothing wrong you would have to be Oscar winning Actor to psss their assesments:( if you werem't ill
Have a good wek fella
Brimz<3
 
I agree with most of whats been said, if your gonna be on benzos long term you obviously have a SERIOUS reason to be on them, which brimz does, being on them for just a few years and stopping is not nice, and can take years for some people to recover, i got as far down my taper as i could before just saying fuck it and cold turkeying and it was so traumatising i still havent recovered fully (must of been a year nearly), i wouldnt wish it upon anyone.
 
bignbrown said:
I agree with most of whats been said, if your gonna be on benzos long term you obviously have a SERIOUS reason to be on them, which brimz does, being on them for just a few years and stopping is not nice, and can take years for some people to recover, i got as far down my taper as i could before just saying fuck it and cold turkeying and it was so traumatising i still havent recovered fully (must of been a year nearly), i wouldnt wish it upon anyone.
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17 years old n talks more sense in this post than most much respect Bnb;)
 
brimz said:
17 years old n talks more sense in this post than most much respect NB;)
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I think we all mostly agreed with what you were saying about Benzos, its what you seemed to be choosing to ignore that i had issue with, much of which you also know much about.

You weren't the only one Evad decided not to comment on my remark about alcohol can also kill on withdrawal\and is probably the mosy widely availaible of any substannce in then UK.

Thats not to mention getting addicted to heroin, coke, crack speed etc etd all of which are probably easier to get holf of than bennzos.

I have mad htese points in this threda a number of times with little no no response so I'm not going to make them again but the facts remains
 
So would anyone recommend using Benzos to quit booze at all. Most of what I have read seem to peg benzos as so addictive and dangerous they just seem so much worse than alcohol !!
Apart from alco withdrawals I mean could any benzo be used say for a month or so while giving up booze, and if so which one would work best .... Diazapam, Clonazepam, Lorazepam etc ?
 
I'd hit the doctors first and see if they can give you anything to help quitting booze, rather than going straight onto benzos. Swapping addictions is rarely a good idea
 
Anyone else had LORMETAZEPAM i did about 10 year ago 4 got how fukin srong they are.
Turned me more spaz than usaual t;wasgreat:)
I can see why 1.5mg is equivalent 2 1mg of Flurnitrazepam
might see if i can swap my moggys for em i slept the best i have in ages
 
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^ Yeah, I have some lormetazepam too. Good hypnotic, gets the job done nicely.
 
Or Pfeizer Lorazepam
not sum pills made in avat in timbucktoo with abored bloke getting paid 1p a day to wank in it n add xtra glass shards

I really worry about some of the shit folk on here think they are takin,
E.G Restoril Temazepam ar sen as the best imo they are fukin shit 30mgmore closer t 5/7 maybe 10mg bp guess what 10mg.
It's all about the stamp.

n Roche means stayaway they are all snide repaackaged out of date rubbish FACT a pharmasict tol me the whole story

I think that was quite funny with harm reduction overtones tbh, if u can't laugh at yourself then u can't really have a laugh.
 
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