Dr is getting sued by a insurance co - my standard dose of .5mg 4x a day going to be cut off. Please advise on how not to completely lose it! I have some Butalbital I have not taken. Was given to me for migraines. Will this help???? What is a safe dosage? Don't drink but take Zoloft - for the depression of constant anxiety.
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mydrugbuddy
Bluelighter
How long have you been taking them ?
As i see it, you have 3 options: Taper down and quit the benzo, find another source, or substitute something else for the benzo. Maybe Phenibut (supposed to be quite an effective uncontrolled gabergenic substance),or possibly even Pregabalin could help a little, if you couldnt get anything else at all..
As i see it, you have 3 options: Taper down and quit the benzo, find another source, or substitute something else for the benzo. Maybe Phenibut (supposed to be quite an effective uncontrolled gabergenic substance),or possibly even Pregabalin could help a little, if you couldnt get anything else at all..
Benzo
This current dr. Has had me on them for @ 2 years. Before that my old dr. Had me on meprobamate - but I don't know if they even make that any more. Any attempts to talk with dr - it's the nurse practitioner I usually see- she recommends joking her meditation group or a "body healer." My friend got really hooked on percoset (27 a day) through this nurse - went through rehab and now on Suboxone. I just find it odd that rehab takes her off one medicine (admittedly she was taking huge amounts per day) puts her on another medication and says "cured." It just feels so random to me what our laws/ drs/ insurance companies decide it ok - and what's not. But theory isn't going to help my problem. Trying to find another source but am older and not on a college campus where everything is available. Will the Butalbital help? Read it's a decent sub. For Xanax. I just don't want to go cold turkey - but looking like I have no other option. Terrified!
This current dr. Has had me on them for @ 2 years. Before that my old dr. Had me on meprobamate - but I don't know if they even make that any more. Any attempts to talk with dr - it's the nurse practitioner I usually see- she recommends joking her meditation group or a "body healer." My friend got really hooked on percoset (27 a day) through this nurse - went through rehab and now on Suboxone. I just find it odd that rehab takes her off one medicine (admittedly she was taking huge amounts per day) puts her on another medication and says "cured." It just feels so random to me what our laws/ drs/ insurance companies decide it ok - and what's not. But theory isn't going to help my problem. Trying to find another source but am older and not on a college campus where everything is available. Will the Butalbital help? Read it's a decent sub. For Xanax. I just don't want to go cold turkey - but looking like I have no other option. Terrified!
mydrugbuddy
Bluelighter
Dunno about Butalital, sorry. Wiki it. Phenibut really is said to be worthwhile, and could probably/possibly help you through some of the worst anxiety of WD.
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/358882-Phenibut
Plenty of negative comments in the thread, but also positive ones like "It's a wonder substance tho for benzo withdrawal. Kinda like a weak ass benzo. "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenibut#General_information
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/358882-Phenibut
Plenty of negative comments in the thread, but also positive ones like "It's a wonder substance tho for benzo withdrawal. Kinda like a weak ass benzo. "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenibut#General_information
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Eva 33
Bluelighter
I really think the Butalbital might help. It is a barbiturate. I take it for migraines, too.
If you really need the benzos, I would look for another doctor. If you can't find another doctor soon, I recommend a slow taper off of the benzos.
Sorry you're going through this. I would be scared, too. Good luck with your taper, if that's what you have to do.
Eva
As for the butalbital, you can take 6 pills per day, assuming that it is in the form of Fiorinal or Fioricet. I believe it's 50 mg. butalbital per pill/capsule? If so, you can take 50 mg. butalbital X 6 capsules per day. That is a safe dosage and should help with your benzo withdrawal. Good luck to you.
If you really need the benzos, I would look for another doctor. If you can't find another doctor soon, I recommend a slow taper off of the benzos.
Sorry you're going through this. I would be scared, too. Good luck with your taper, if that's what you have to do.
Eva
As for the butalbital, you can take 6 pills per day, assuming that it is in the form of Fiorinal or Fioricet. I believe it's 50 mg. butalbital per pill/capsule? If so, you can take 50 mg. butalbital X 6 capsules per day. That is a safe dosage and should help with your benzo withdrawal. Good luck to you.
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go to another doctor/psychiatrist and tell themmwhat happened with or without proof and it's not like theyre going to blow you off, I went to a doctor to taper of phenazepam and the second one I tried gave me a 6mo+ taper plan(I was on for years), even the first doctor gave me a prescription for 1 month. Bring the insert you get wth the benzos it states right there you need to taper off them.
Thank you all!! I have been using the butalbital - and so far only 1 Xanax today. Waiting for the phenibut to arrive. Making me sleepy - which is good. Been up for @ 2 days with only a short nap. Irony - the dr's nurse practitioner, who scripted the Xanax, gave me the box of sample Butalbital. Thank you Eve for correct dosage - of course nurse gave no instructions. Just either wanted an unlimited supply - so never had to worry about withdrawals or off completely so not at the mercy of the random medical establishment - that gets more controlled by the insurance companies every day.
morphonorconic
Bluelighter
Butalbital is a barbiturate and shares a similar pharmacological profile with benzodiazepines. I would suggest using that if it is reasonable to do so to supplement, and seek out the supervision of another more engaged doctor who can determine what course of action would be in your best interest. From there you can decide to continue taking 0.5mg alprazolam 4x daily, tapering down, switching to a long-acting benzo, or going back on the meprobamate, etc.
I would not recommend ordering phenibut. IMO, being in withdrawl and having a large quantity of an under-researched RC benzodiazepine in pure salt form will only serve to steer you in the opposite direction you should be going.
I would not recommend ordering phenibut. IMO, being in withdrawl and having a large quantity of an under-researched RC benzodiazepine in pure salt form will only serve to steer you in the opposite direction you should be going.
i are spectre
Bluelighter
kava and valerian roots; dried, whole.
into the coffee grinder.
consume.
always gets me off benzo benders, even if im at a 2 year mark.
into the coffee grinder.
consume.
always gets me off benzo benders, even if im at a 2 year mark.
Thanks - bought the Kava powder - as the liquid form has grain alcohol - and I do not drink. Will try in the coffee grungier as the power does not resolve well in cold water. This will be step 2.
Update - found local source to get very small supply - which is good. So advice on how to taper off - then move on to phenibut or kava - can you take the two together or unsafe? Really want to get off this stuff - so not at the mercy of crazy drs. practice! Moved outta the city and too boonies - they are the only drs. in town. Even for medical issues unrelated to this, their
Referrals have been shady!!! Bad bad specialist with bad track records.
Update - found local source to get very small supply - which is good. So advice on how to taper off - then move on to phenibut or kava - can you take the two together or unsafe? Really want to get off this stuff - so not at the mercy of crazy drs. practice! Moved outta the city and too boonies - they are the only drs. in town. Even for medical issues unrelated to this, their
Referrals have been shady!!! Bad bad specialist with bad track records.
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helium-4
Bluelight Crew
Go to another doctor and tell them the situation. I feel most docs will be compassionate to either resume where you left off with pharmacological therapy using benzos, or help you with an appropriate taper plan.
The safest way to manage WDs would be to do a taper program that is right for you. Trying to substitute drugs for a WD because your doc is getting sued is kinda stupid. Atleast try to get a months or two worth of benzos for a taper plan that you research on your own (may not need as much benzos as you would for two months or a month, but enough so you can taper over a peroid of time depending on how long you've been on the benzos previously).
btw you are a zebra
The safest way to manage WDs would be to do a taper program that is right for you. Trying to substitute drugs for a WD because your doc is getting sued is kinda stupid. Atleast try to get a months or two worth of benzos for a taper plan that you research on your own (may not need as much benzos as you would for two months or a month, but enough so you can taper over a peroid of time depending on how long you've been on the benzos previously).
btw you are a zebra
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mydrugbuddy
Bluelighter
your PM box has ran out of space. Hope you dont mind a public reply to the question you sent me -
Google "The Ashton Manual". That contains just about everything you will need to know about various benzo tapers, ranging from the gentler to the tough schedules. Loads of other info there too. Pls ignore the last msg that i sent to your inbox in error, i dont think there's anything on it.
Google "The Ashton Manual". That contains just about everything you will need to know about various benzo tapers, ranging from the gentler to the tough schedules. Loads of other info there too. Pls ignore the last msg that i sent to your inbox in error, i dont think there's anything on it.
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mydrugbuddy
Bluelighter
Here's another thread on Phenibut (the EADD version where the substance seems to have many fans), obviously try not to replace one dependency with another, and try to remember you are only using any substitutes to get through the Benzo WDs if you dont have enough to do a proper taper.
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/367726-Phenibut
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/367726-Phenibut
Phenibut apparently doesn't seem to work when taken constantly: after a couple of weeks, the effects diminish. But, that is just what I've read; information I found on here when looking for similar solutions to the benzodiazepine problem. I'd recommend it for benzodiazepine withdrawal, though it works in a similar way, so ultimately you're trading addictions and anything that works similarly to benzodiazepines is likely to involve a similarly desperately-painful struggle for reality and normalcy through the dark recesses of your soul, and ultimately, bah, is it all worth it?
I'd advise against using butalbital: it's a weak barbiturate, but yeah, it's a barbiturate, and those are dangerous relics of a bygone age where a fervent desire to finally rest could end up with you sleeping and then never waking up!
There are certain 'Research Chemical' benzodiazepines available online, but in the first place, I think you've been given the wrong drug: don't just write this off, 'cause see, you're being given something that lasts about 1-2 hours and being told to take it four times each day, rather than just, say, 1mg clonazepam (Klonopin) in the mornings. Is there any reason for this? Just, you could take a Xanax several times a day and go through ups and downs of panic, or take one pill and be ready for anything throughout the whole day! Diazepam is still very effective and works wonders, as much as it did in the 1960's.
Why don't you drink? Alcohol is the clear choice here: it's easy to obtain in large amounts and allowed by everyone despite its dangerous and toxic nature. Take a shot of vodka—not cheap stuff, mind you—every time you feel the onset of withdrawal, not panic, and it will help you sleep, help relax your muscles and help with all sorts of other nonsense. You having been on this for two years is really a shame: the tapering requires time and plenty of diazepam, or some similarly long-lasting benzodiazepine with a long half-life to help get you down to 0mg, and alprazolam is really bad for this.
I say: see a doctor and ask them for a taper, rather than a short-acting benzo' you're forced to take multiple times a day just to keep it in your body and working on your anxiety, get on diazepam or clonazepam or something that'll require just a single dose that can be dropped via decrements of 2mg, until finally you're on your own and maybe a little anxious, still, but not leashed to a doctor and pharmacy and drug for the rest of your remaining years.
I'd advise against using butalbital: it's a weak barbiturate, but yeah, it's a barbiturate, and those are dangerous relics of a bygone age where a fervent desire to finally rest could end up with you sleeping and then never waking up!
There are certain 'Research Chemical' benzodiazepines available online, but in the first place, I think you've been given the wrong drug: don't just write this off, 'cause see, you're being given something that lasts about 1-2 hours and being told to take it four times each day, rather than just, say, 1mg clonazepam (Klonopin) in the mornings. Is there any reason for this? Just, you could take a Xanax several times a day and go through ups and downs of panic, or take one pill and be ready for anything throughout the whole day! Diazepam is still very effective and works wonders, as much as it did in the 1960's.
Why don't you drink? Alcohol is the clear choice here: it's easy to obtain in large amounts and allowed by everyone despite its dangerous and toxic nature. Take a shot of vodka—not cheap stuff, mind you—every time you feel the onset of withdrawal, not panic, and it will help you sleep, help relax your muscles and help with all sorts of other nonsense. You having been on this for two years is really a shame: the tapering requires time and plenty of diazepam, or some similarly long-lasting benzodiazepine with a long half-life to help get you down to 0mg, and alprazolam is really bad for this.
I say: see a doctor and ask them for a taper, rather than a short-acting benzo' you're forced to take multiple times a day just to keep it in your body and working on your anxiety, get on diazepam or clonazepam or something that'll require just a single dose that can be dropped via decrements of 2mg, until finally you're on your own and maybe a little anxious, still, but not leashed to a doctor and pharmacy and drug for the rest of your remaining years.
They can't just cut you off something that can be fatal if stopped suddenly. Go to the hospital (if u can afford it).
If i were you id sue also. They are putting you at risk here. This is one of my fears from benzos. I keep like a stock of 300 extra for this reason.
If i were you id sue also. They are putting you at risk here. This is one of my fears from benzos. I keep like a stock of 300 extra for this reason.