Benzo + Candy/Hippy flip

[Fluffyfunk]

So last weekend I tried out shrooms for the first time. I was kinda apprehensive about where the trip might take me so i decided to take 80 mg of good molly to ensure things remained positive.

I know that you really should experience each drug on its own before a combination, but I was pretty concerned about getting stuck in a negative thought loop. It felt like I occasionally had negative thought loops happening but the MDMA seemed to pull me away from focusing too long on it. As far as i understand it candy flipping is a better mix at they work in combination more effectively, whereas occasionally it did feel like the shrooms and MD were competing.

With shrooms I could roughly estimate how intense the dosage would end up and thus make sure I had an appropriate mix. With Acid it seems much harder to really gauge the potency of a tab. Thus i was thinking I should have some Benzo's on hand to snap out of any bad trips (+ I was a bit worried about mistiming the MDMA redose). Is mixing Benzo's with a candy/hippy flip a really bad idea (as a way to kill the trip)? Also is any Benzo better than the other? Xanax/Valium etc? What would be the appropriate dosage to bring the trip back down to earth but not be too harmful?

Also, my experience with shrooms was a little odd. Erowid seemed to suggest to me that i should gauge how much to take via the weight of dried shrooms. I weighed the batch my dealer gave me and it seemed to weigh only around 5g's. At first I thought I had got ripped off by my dealer as he assured me this was enough for 8 hits and that i should count by the caps (he advised 30). 30 certainly did the trick but i'm still confused how most people seem to dose by dried weight of around 3-4 g's (which would work out around 180 caps of what the dealer gave me). Can anyone shed any light on this?

I've probably asked far too many questions here but you guys seem to be the experts so any help would be appreciated, thanks.

TL:DR - Are Benzo's on a candy/hippy flip very harmful and what appropriate dosage?

 

[Wise420]

Go by the weight of the mushrooms and dont count the caps. All mushrooms are different sizes and length's and weigh less or more then each other.

Dosing any benzo while tripping on psychs will bring the trip down alot. Xanax is stronger compared to valium. 2 mg of Xanax completely ended my trip on 1 tab 5 hours after dosing. 2 mg Xanax is about equivelent to 20-25 mg's of Valium if I remember correctly.

You need to go into the trip excited and not foccused on what "could" go wrong. If your excited and keep a positive mind set I garantee you'll have a great trip.

 

[MrFaust]

benzos are used in hospitals as a trip killers and theres really nothing unsafe about it so long as you dont take too much obvisouly. But I keep a stash of benzos specifically for that purpose. When I'm tripping or rolling and it gets to the point where I'm tired as fuck but cant fall asleep I just eat some benzos and tap right out its great.

 

[Solipsis]

Even with a candyflip or hippyflip things can turn negative actually. I would really try tripping on a psychedelic alone and learn how to surrender. Because the way to prevent negative thought patterns and loops to creep over is not to turn them positive IMO, the solution is to just let go and the positivity will follow naturally.

It took some pretty horrible trips on mushrooms for me to learn these things but I think it's very bad practice to try and only get the fun part out of potent psychedelics like LSD and mushrooms. I am glad to have approached it like this. You can't go on choosing to trip and then steering the trip with other drugs. Eventually negative thoughts will get through I suspect, simply because you are running away from them, because you are doing the opposite of surrendering to them naturally.

Benzo's are ok to take as a last measure if shit really hits the fan but taking them immediately just to be sure is dulling to the trip and you won't get the feel the true depth of a pure psychedelic experience.

I assure you it will be such a relief to just let whatever happens happen! It's very helpful and therapeutic.

If you can't handle it on your own AND refuse to confront the bad to allow the good - to accept that there is always good and bad in yourself and many other things... then I feel trips aren't for you and you should stick to the recreational stuff or to 2C-B like things that are easier. Not trying to be elitist here, only want to say that psychedelics should be treated right by treating yourself right.

If you would take my advice, just don't start very high with a psychedelic-only trip - it's not necessary if you still need to learn to navigate the mind space. Check out some simple meditation techniques to help you get a deep feel for the state of consciousness, it comes very naturally when you are tripping and it is much easier to learn.