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Benefits of Speedbombs

I have my opinions on this matter, but after seeing what Fry-mo's copped I couldn't be fucked raising them. Is this really the sort of atmosphere we want to create?
Even though I'm thoroughly against closing threads - you might be onto something Entropope - I'd hate for anyone else to read this shite. Could we start the thread again and any insults can be immediately deleted? Perhaps Fry-mo you could bump BTs very informative Luved-up VS Fucked-Up thread?
Big Trancer - you're a legend mate
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I like what Big Trancer stated, and I think this quashes the aussie-baker's (speed bombers) argument that bakes are just as bad as MDxx pills because you dont know what youre getting in either.
If you do know that its purple/black, then you do know that its mdxx, and therefore a chemist has put in a lot of effort, so why would they (in general) throw all the other crud that you find in bakes?
Aussie Baker Recipe:
-ketamine
-speed
-strichnine (rat poison)
-acids
-various other hallucinogens
-dxm
-caffiene
-ephedrine
-variety of pharmaceuticals (often very nasty)
-bathroom chemicals
-chemicals that you can find at your local supermarket...
Aussie bakes usually contain any combination of the above chemicals, and often other shit, and you think its just as safe eating this garbage, and well produced (imported) mdxx pills?
Maybe you just cant get mdxx?!
 
rashen_dog you are forgetting the following ingredients - paper
- fiberglass
- pubic hair
all of which my friend and i have found in pills that tested purple.
 
I certainly don't think that Fry-mo should be copping abusive shyte over his opinion. I also don't think anyone should be giving out abuse over people opinions or advice (including Fry-mo)
Yes this thread has gone very nasty. Perhaps, with Fry-mo's consent a new thread can be started and this can be transferred to the deleted threads archive. (ie not simply deleted)
My point was/is only this. In the current state of affairs, buying speed pills is supporting a horrid and dodgy industry that only has the goal of ripping people off. Sure most of us can differentiate between mdxx and speed and not buy speed. But bluelight does not make up the majority of Australian pill users. I never meant to state anything like 'MDxx pills are better than speed pills', that's irrelevant. They're totally different.
If speed pills were sold as speed pills then no problemo mon fucho. And I understand that this is evolving in Melbourne somewhat??
Another point is that price discussion are bad on bluelight, they make for silly nasty shit. But that's very much a minor, comparitevely mute point to the speed pills being sold to rip off people who think they're getting mdxx. I know that here in Perth, for the average clubber buying 1-10 pills, speed pills cost the same as mdxx. This sort of thing is fine to discuss, comparing shit. But actually stating prices ends in nastiness all too often. Fry-mo i understand you were using your price to support your reasons for using speed pills, but a simple 'it actually works out cheaper for me to buy speed in speed pills' may be more effective in generating decent discussion
And I also lose a bit of relevance to the east coast peoples due to the high grade of Perth speed, but I think in price/purity it works out about the same, except for on the Goldcoast. Phwoar you guys have it gooood.
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Well, having just read the 10 or so posts made after mine, I really wish I didn't start this thread. I'm tollerant of other peoples opinions, and I thought thats what BL was all about.
I was really more trying to share what I found to be a good way to get off "e" with those like me with addictive personalities/weak wills... I'm not saying speeds better than e, not at all. Neither is "better", that's way too subjective.
And for the record, I have bought and used base many, many times...it's just not what I'm looking for.
Anyway, entropope, you have my blessings to close this thread at will...obviously we're not broad minded enough to discuss some things (thats not a dig at you, I respect a lot of what you have said, at least it's constructive...)
Peace all, I didn't mean to start WWIII...
 
Fry-mo, Theres just a few vocal people.
There opinion is aparently better than your opinion.
I like your idea about speed pills. But, as a safety issue, i'm gonna stick with speed. I've seen to many friends wig out on weird pills.
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Yeah its a shame. This thread does have a few interesting and uselful points in it. And the original purpose was a good one. I had to archive the thread I mentioned earlier of my own due to people not discussing it proper.
People please read pinger's recently posted thread http://www.bluelight.ru/ubb/Forum10/HTML/002838.html
People what you post is up to you. How it affects everyone else is also. Getting angry at people and flaming never achieves anything, and angry people can never resolve the issue properly.
Please at least try to hide your anger, and when you type out a big ass flame filled post, have a read at the end. Try to see it from all other points of view, think about what consequences will arise (no I don't mean a mod telling you not to flame, I mean think about what will happen in the thread as a result of your post) and decide if you really want to post up abuse.
If you still do, go for a walk, find a happy place, talk to Buddha or fucking anything and then come back and think again. If you still want to flame; piss the fuck off, you fucken arsehole
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See how nasty and horrible that is?
No-one wants to have to read that sort of thing. Bluelight is here for information, discussion, fun, unity and friendship.
Think about why you first came here and what you wanted then. I'm guessing information for 99% of people. Well you also found a community. The majority of the community is still here for information, (and many remain for the community also) and when we're feeding off this information and contributing and socialising and befriending we really don't want to read abusive remarks that hinder the process.
I may have painted a picture of a faery land with rainbows and green gardens and shit. I'm sorry, I'm babbling on about a great passion in my life, and.... I do believe I'm a little cracked out
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but tone down the flowers and rose petals a little and you're there. This place was something special once, and I really don't want to sound like an old-skooler pining for days gone by, but it is slipping.
For the good of all of the bluelight community, please folks, keep it civil and nice?
 
i was so going to close this thread!
after i finally disided to have a look at it!
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the original post was cool!!! no prob!
the bullshit was well not bullshit,but didnt belong here.
you all have good points and im not going into this subject myself!
so been there before!
why the need for names!
yeah! read pinger thread! http://www.bluelight.ru/ubb/Forum10/HTML/002838.html
if somebody replies to someone rudely,ill delete the post from now on!even if its got informative stuff in it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
stay gold all
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This thread has gone way off topic and i think it should be closed. Maybe "Loved up vs. Fucked up" could be bumped.
 
I am of the opinion that there is nothing in this thread that isnt justified...and i dont think it needs to be deleted.
Yes...calling people names is probably wrong.
I agree with that...i apologise for anything that I (for one) may have said that might have upset anyone.
However, this subject is not finished, and it is a justified topic. It still seems that there are people out there who dont recognise many of the fucked up things about aussie pills industry, so the only way to inform them is through posts like this.
I know for one, me, 6 years ago, would have learnt quite a few important things through this thread.
Keep imports alive...do not create a demand for aussie bakes.
 
KidA: it may be true that on the street "ECSTASY" now means anything pill shaped with a silly logo.
And that is what is so sad. XTC isnt speed, or ketamine, or any of the vast array of hallucinogens; its not even MDEA, its MDMA and MDMA alone.
And another shame is that imports have to be relied on for MDXX. Fucking safrole and the rest; but aussie bakers should and could churn out MDXX but they dont.
Why, GREED; most dont care about the consumers and what they r making; they r making a shitload, harming a shitload, and dont give a shit.
Well i and many others give a shit, and whatever the benefits one may obtain from speedbombs, i agree that it encourages production of a vast number of cocktails, some potentially dangerous, that lead the charge in making XTC the demon drug in the eyes of the world.
As a chemist it abhores me; people should have an interest about what they put in drugs, and what they claim is within; unfortunately they dont.
 
Biscuit...i strongly agree.
It heartening to know that there are still some people out there who love MDMA, and will fight for it.
If you enjoy speed bombs, think of it this way: when aussie bakers are making their pills (speed bombs), they are not attempting first and foremost to produce an enjoyable drug. They are trying to piece together a mix of substances that they will be able to fool the public into thinking is E, and make a shitload of money.
And some of you guys actually enjoy the brain fry? Thats sad.
 
...and some people enjoy wearing corsets and being whipped by a person in a gimp mask while receiving an enema. Its their personal choice and as long as they're not hurting anyone (without consent) and they're being as safe as they can be, it will make them happy.
On the other hand, there are some people out there who get off on child porn...and even if they don't actually abuse children, they're supporting an industry that does.
I believe that as bluelighters, we have a kind of moral obligation not to support the manufacture of speedbombs. Marketing cheap and dangerous imitations as MDMA is only beneficial for the manufacturers, dodgy dealers and the media.
I think what speedbombs need is a street name that sounds as good as ecstasy or fantasy, so they can be marketed seperate from MDMA. We all know there's already a huge market for them.
 
Why not just call em SpeedBombs? Sure it's the name we use em to put em down, but if marketed right the name could become something special... Have a SpeedBomb man, they're the Bomb!
Since there's pretty much no way to stop people from taking them, and no way to stop people from making them, we might as well do what we can to separate them from real MDMA pills...
I'd love it if we could wipe speedbombs of the face of the planet forever, and i'll never personally choose a speedbomb over real MDMA, but other people have that choice.
What we should do is make sure everyone understands the distinction between real MDMA pills and speedbombs. The goal should be people asking for ecstacy and getting MDMA, not because they were lucky and their DD was decent, but because they said ecstacy and not speedbombs...
Oh, one more little analogy, might be a little far fetched but I think you'll get my drift... People actually enjoy McDonalds food. They go out and eat it and enjoy it. They have no idea how useless it is as a food, how little nutritional value it has, they simply eat it because it tastes good. They are brainwashed into thinking that McDonalds food is a suitable meal. Good restaurants taste better, serve good quality food, have a better atmosphere, and leave you much more satisfied, yet McDonalds is prefered because its cheaper, easier, and most people don't know how crap it really is.
Try to twist your heads into comparing that and speedbombs... a lot of people don't know how crap they can be, they just eat them because they feel good and they think it's the cool thing to do... a lot of people don't even know they're getting speedbombs rather than pills containing MDMA.
Instead of bitching amoungst ourselves, lets continue to educate people and let them come to their own conclusions...
 
PLU & Respect, fuck if fry-mo like's speed bombs then all the best to ya dude.
just because the majority of ppl on this board dig mdma is no reason for attacking someone else for enjoying speed in pills. fuck, a little open mindedness would be nice.
 
I think alot of us here has had speedbombs in our lifetime of E-ing. I just feel that there is nothing wrong with having speedbombs once in awhile. It can rather fun at times. I've many friends that take them coz they are going to have a long weekend or just to have a kick out of it. We shouldn't condemn people that take them. It is their choice and they know best. They are having as much fun as we are so why discrimnate them.
I do take speedbombs once a very blue moon as they can give me some really bad come downs and I hate the fact that I can't sleep for at least 2 days. But I still take them for a change. There are the rare few of speedbombs that I really enjoyed. I felt happy and chatty as well. I am not trying to say that speedbombs are good. Just stating that it can be fun too. Everything is fun when taken in moderation. Too much MDMA and not taking care of oneself can destroy the fun and excitment that we all once had as well. For me, I do take speedbomb when I feel the need to feel fully charged up for the night or really just for FUN FUN FUN!!! eheheheeeehehe Another reason might also be when my whole group decides to take speedbombs for a change.
Basically, this is just my opinion and each his own. PLUR!!!
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Tarsalan very well put - great analogy
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I don't quite agree with the argument "Well don't ya just buy speed???"
IMHO you can get some speed/meth + K combinations which give you a really floaty, happy, chatty effect which can make for a great longlasting night. The fact that some people mistake them for mdma suggests the effects are little different to just speed itself.
Hardcore weekly clubbers can become disillusioned with the lack of effects of comparitively expensive mdma due to their tolerance. I've never been sold a speedbomb as an import - always for at least half the price- if people have problems being fooled by DDs- i suggest they invest in a tester.
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I KNOW that there are Aussie Pressers who actually strive to make good quality speedbombs. We know how hard it is to get the precursor needed to synthesize mdma in OZ, so do you simply assume chemist are going to give up trying to produce decent drugs and simply pour Strichnine and any old household chemical in the press. Let's not stereotype to such an extent please!
I know it's dangerous for me to acknowledge that some speedbombs aren't harmful but the facts should be known so people can make their own informed decisions....
Don't get me wrong I LOVE mdma - it's the ultimate IMHO, but like different drugs for different occasions. I've been buying speedbombs from the same source with a consistant high quality for 2 years. Do you seriously think it's in the press's best interests to suddenly start producing poison? He'd lose his source of income coz his customers would go elsewhere.
Perhaps when Pillreports II is created we can have some facility to rate the quality of a speedbomb instead of just giving them all '1', as we can't deny some people like them in some circumstances.
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It's all very well to like the effects of speedbombs, hell, I've been known to enjoy the odd "mystery" bickie myself if I'm in the mood. The important thing is, as members of this community, you people realise the difference. You know what they potentially could contain, and the well-founded reasons that in some cases the active ingredients in speedbombs should *not* be mixed with MDMA. By knowing this, if you elect to take speedbombs, you hopefully will not make the potentially easy mistake of stacking contraindicated chemicals.
However, there are many other people who aren't sure of the difference between the different kind of pills. The only distinction between them is the physical effect, and the pretty colours and logos. Thus, they might take a speedbomb and have a great time, and then when they feel it wearing off, take another (perhaps different) pill. Not suspecting any variation in dosage or any possible syergistic effects of the chemicals contained in both pills, there is a danger that they might end up having a bad night by overheating or making themselves sick.
I think the point I'm trying to make is that speedbombs are probably best treated as a 'new drug' each time they're taken, and taken by themselves. That way by experiencing the effect of the pill alone, there's less danger of putting oneself over the edge. Best example of this I guess would be a pill containing an active dose of PMA. It would probably feel fantastic by itself, similar to MDMA in effects. But, when that started dying down, if the person took an MDMA pill, the combination of the two chemicals could bring them undone.
Like all chemicals (including MDMA), they should be treated with care. Just because they're pressed into a friendly looking pill, shouldn't mean that they are 'safe' to chuck down whenever.
BigTrancer
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