Being ignorant and Naive

[BellababE]

In the world of "other drug" useage, it seems to me that the BL community is very well educated on what they use, before they use it.
As users, did you make an attempt to familarize yourself with what a drug does to your body and mind befor beginning its use? Did you learn how to properly injest or use it, or did you find out by trial and error?
I raise this question because recently I was talking to an aquaintance, and he mentioned to me that he smoked his tweak on top of a bowl in his bong - which i know not to be chemically possible. He also mentioned that he does the same thing with coke, yes, coke.
Now, I dont believe he is lying, i just think he is EXTREMELY ignorant and naieve. Before starting his useage of a drug, he didnt learn all about it, and thought he could do what he wanted with it, and still get the same results as when it is properly used.
Have you come across of people of this nature in your using history, or were you perhaps one yourself as a starting user?

 

[Thurgood]

I myself am nowhere as educated as some of the members of this board, but to answer your question...Personally I always research alot about certain drugs before taking them. The reason may vary between users, but I do it for a few reasons. First to see what an appropriate dose would be. Second, to see the methods of taken the drug. And lastly just to gain an overall knowledge of it. Many of the drugs I research I haven't necessarily ever been exposed to, but I am very curious about them and I think it's good to know that kind of stuff in case you ever are around it.
The only thing I have ever done without resaerch was snorting some vicoden a while back, which was one of the dumbest things I have ever done (because of the apap and all I assume was in it, I never asked the kid about it, I just kinda did it)...and ever since then I have always researched whatever it is I may be curious about taking. I am constantly reading up on all sorts of drugs just more for my own knowledge than anything else, cuz I find it pretty interesting.
As far as other people go, I have been around a fair share of people who have no idea what do with certain drugs. My only hope for those kind of people is that they will learn from other people appropriate methods, dosages, etc. and not die. Just for example, I read a post on a board the other day about some kid who decided that 2c-t-7 was a horrible drug cuz when he snorted 25mg his first time he ended up in the hospital. Now if he had done some reasearch he probabbly could have prevented this. I hate when people use the excuse, "I didn't know." I mean, when you are doing these kinds of activities which could possibly prove fatal wouldn't you wanna read up on it a bit first?
Sorry this kinda turned more into a rant about people and their ignorance rather than personal experience and whatnot.
-Steve

 

[purkinje]

Hey, if it weren't for my research into drugs prior to using, i wouldnt have found out about this site!!

 

[Ketamike]

I've always been very vigilant when it comes to responsible drug use. I like to be able to argue for drugs, claiming with proper knowledge, responsibility and maturity, one can indulge in a safe manner. I'm not gonna lie and say that I haven't fucked up in the past, but those mistakes made me wiser and much more cautious. I'd like to keep myself alive and not some stupid statistic.
Yes... people are so ignorant it makes me sick. Dumbasses try to smoke everything (cocaine hcl, every pharmaceutical pill, umm.. Raid!?!) People claim that they have ingested the best liquid mescaline... "That shit took only one drop". Christ... just the other day this kid told me that the way to counter-act a heroin OD is to put an ice cube against your balls!?!? Some people are just plain stupid... but a lot are ignorant. Some of these people die. It's Darwanism in full-force.. culling of the herd. But unfortunately, these MORONS are the ones that give drugs a bad name for those of us who can use them responsibly.
I commend you for doing your research. Many of us on Bluelight are here for that reason. Although the Other Drugs forum is a bit more rough around the edges, we're still all about 'harm reduction'.
I was talking to a nurse at my university, and the issue of my drug use came up. He said that as long as my useage doesn't negatively effect my life, and I'm "Living life to the fullest", he sees nothing wrong with what I do. Coming from a medical professional, I have a lot of respect for him.
LIVE IT UP!

 

[leaning]

There is always going to be stupid when dealing with any subject. One of my friends swears to everything that you can put coke on a blunt (he likes to call it a primo) and you will feel the effects of coke. He argued with me forever, I eventually gave up.
Then you have the people that still believe herion is in MDMA pills.

 

[HYDRO_CHRONIC]

well i couldnt research my drugs cause back then i didnt have a computer,and being that young i didnt think of the library,but i did research LSD before i used it and i still fucked myself up!!...so now i try and educate people on there drug use(not preach though)...and they just believe what they wanna believe either way ,i try my best to tell them taking E around 14 times a month is VERY bad,but do they even think i know what i am talking about,NO<AND IT REALLY PISSES ME OFF,AHHH,do your research people>>DAMN!!

 

[groovee]

I found this board to be an invaluable resource for information on pharmies. It is amazing how urban legends and rumors are spread so quickly via the drug culture.
Embalming fluid anyone?

 

[Denial]

I have always been the sort of person who finds out about stuff before they jump headlong into it...
And my freshman year of college I lived next to two DJ's in the dorm. Well, they took me to my first party and offered me ecstacy. I declined at the moment, but as soon as I got home I scoured the net for hours and hours...finding erowid, pillreports, bluelight...and just absorbing as much information as humanly possible about it.
Then I thought about it, and decided that I felt empowered enough to make a responsible decision, and a decision that would not have serious negative consequences for my life. I tried it, loved it, then went and researched some more, and more and more...
The whole world of drugs and pharmacology is very fascinating to me, so its really fun just to learn about how drugs operate and make you feel the way you do. And at the same time, I want to keep myself safe (reasonably).
So far, I think I've done a good job.
Whats sad is that some people truly dont care enough about themselves, or they really are just unintelligent to the point where they dont care to know, or cannot understand and comprehend the sorts of things they are doing to their body.
And now, I offer new substances to my good friends, but only if they agree to at least learn SOMETHING about the possible consequences of what theyre about to do...
You all are a good crowd, its reassuring to know that some people out there are intellectual enough to educate themselves about something and expand their scope of the world, while still enjoying every second of it.
peace

 

[Ruofa]

absolutely; research is not only key in regard to safety, it really help to ensure that you get the best experience you can from anything you're unsure of. although i only registered and begun posting a month or two ago, i've lurked on this board for over a year, and have gleaned several quality pieces of information. specifically, the Complete Idiot's Guide to Making Crack found here far outshines any other recipe found on the web - i had wasted a teener twice before coming here trying to do it on my own. also, the effects of drug cocktails are nice to see - considering some really strange things can happen when mixing recreationals; it's a comfort to have some idea of what's going to happen and not be worried that you're experiencing an adverse reaction.

 

[meister]

You can smoke both cocaine and tweak on top of a bowl, and though definately wastefull, it would still work. Cocaine CAN be smoked before its converted into a freebase, you just end up burning alot of it. The high is similar to a crack high, you just need to smoke more.

 

[Vegasgirl]

I am obsessive with finding out everything I can about a substance before I take it. I was actually very anti-drug when I was growing up and only first smoked pot when I was 25.
My friends have a habit of calling me the 'Drug Queen' not because I do so many drugs but because I am willing to do the research on them. I have some friends that will come to me and ask, what do you know about XYZ and as I am a computer geek, I'll go out and find out everything I can on it for them.
Anyway, I've never had a bad time and I have to credit most of it to doing the research, the rest of it to moderation.
-T

 

[Ayrios]

Originally posted by BellababE:
I raise this question because recently I was talking to an aquaintance, and he mentioned to me that he smoked his tweak on top of a bowl in his bong - which i know not to be chemically possible. He also mentioned that he does the same thing with coke, yes, coke.

If you think that's bad... One kid I know, whenever he does shrooms, tells me how it just feels like good weed, no visuals. When he snorts his crystal at school, tells me it doesn't hurt and you have to "jump around and socialize" to start feeling the effects. Now I know he isn't lying about doing something, but at the same time I know it's not psylocybe shrooms or meth. It'd almost be nice to have ignorance and placebo on your side, except for the fact that's he's paying for common lawn shrooms and talc. He also doesn't have a computer and lives in a poor area with a bunch of uneducated kids.
I think most people around here will find out all the info they can before doing whatever drug. It's getting less and less acceptable to remain naive if you have an interest in drugs with the growing number of computers with internet access.

 

[moonshadow]

I researched MDMA quite extensively for at least six months before I ever tried it. By the time I got around to my first time I knew more than anybody else around me. I can't say the same for acid, but I was young (as the excuse goes), and dropped it like it wasn't any bigger than weed. It turned out fine, but still it was stupid. I also regret snorting Vicodin a couple times, not really a big deal I know, but still stupid because I couldn't find information and finally just said screw it and did it.
The best thing I have gotten out of all this is at least getting an inkling of what I would like to study. Right now I am on a biochem/neuropsych double major and eventually want to go into psychopharmacology. Yesterday I went to a graduate science/engineering fair type deal and ended up making a few connections for a lab job next year, while I am still a sophmore. I had a good hour long conversation with a girl about her Ph D project concerning AMPA and NMDA antagonists and their role in the reinstatement of cocaine addiction. It was incredible because I had the knowledge base to intelligently discuss the experiment from both web research and the physiological psych classes I have taken. I am nowhere near where I want to be, but at least I've started down the road.

 

[Drayen]

yea i know what u mean man
i like to think of it as the "raVur mentallity"
and u know what?
there's not a hellofa lot u can do about it
if i here somebody sprouting off some BS about coke+H in pills or some crystalizing in your lungs crap, i try and un-misinform them
but most of them time they just tell me that I'M wrong and continue the sprouting of the BS
but something that's slowly starting to work is telling people about bluelight, and especially erowid.
i have no idea about how i origonally stumbled onto that site, but it's taught me so much it's not even funny.
it's kinda hard to break the "raVur mentallity", but then again after some stonned meditation i have come up with something that explains it all.
i may have not made it up, but it still explains everything..."ignorence is bliss"
think about it, there was a time in all of out lives before we found BL. and we didn't know shit about shit when it came to factual information on drugs
BUT we still took that pill, shot that dope, smoked that puddle, etc...
without any worries(or very few)
but now whenever i pop a pill, i can't help but think, "is this real?","i wonder if this is above or below the 130mg averige level for someone my size" and, "i wonder if the synapses are filled with seritonin yet?"
and before it was just, "yuck, that pill was nasty" and 40min later, "wow man!!! i'm rushing!!!!!"
i guess the new paraphrase is very much true for some BLers:
"ignorence WAS bliss"

 

[hedtwin]

I always learn absouletely everythign i can about a drug before i do it. I read all the info adn as many trip reports as possible, good and bad.
And yes it is really annoyign when people tell you that you are wrong about somethign when they are jsut going of what they have been told by completely uninformed people.

 

[ReverendLenny]

Originally posted by meister:
You can smoke both cocaine and tweak on top of a bowl, and though definately wastefull, it would still work. Cocaine CAN be smoked before its converted into a freebase, you just end up burning alot of it. The high is similar to a crack high, you just need to smoke more.
i've never tried tweak on a bowl, but i have had a few snow caps. not my coke, but i always thought i felt it a bit. maybe a placebo effect, i dunno if it's chemically possible or not.
basically i learned all my information from fucking up. it's a pretty good way to learn. u remember shit more. yep.
[ 28 March 2002: Message edited by: ReverendLenny ]

 

[eacoasticas]

[ 28 March 2002: Message edited by: eacoasticas ]

 

[eacoasticas]

Originally posted by ReverendLenny:

basically i learned all my information from fucking up. it's a pretty good way to learn. u remember shit more. yep.
Yep, you just can't read yourself experienced. One can try but it doesnt even come close.
When it comes to the trail and error part of learning your worst enemy is stupidity. Equip yourself with common sense and youre in the clear.

 

[SovietContin]

As users, did you make an attempt to familarize yourself with what a drug does to your body and mind befor beginning its use? Did you learn how to properly injest or use it, or did you find out by trial and error?
After not knowing that "boat" refered to marijuana sprayed with PCP and having quite an interesting experience at the age of 16, I began to read about everything. I was also influenced by another friend who was into every drug you could imagine, had lots of chemist friends, and was big on organic chemistry himself.
I also learned that reading only goes so far. So does listening to your idiot friends who haven't read about the basics. So I did a lot of trial and error. As you will see throughout the rest of my post, I tried things myself to see how everything worked. I was more or less my own guinea pig. As long as I knew it wouldn't kill me, or I wasn't likely to die, I'd go pretty far back in the day.

Have you come across of people of this nature in your using history, or were you perhaps one yourself as a starting user?
I've come across just about every kind of drug user you could imagine.

I raise this question because recently I was talking to an aquaintance, and he mentioned to me that he smoked his tweak on top of a bowl in his bong - which i know not to be chemically possible. He also mentioned that he does the same thing with coke, yes, coke.
In this case, you are wrong. Tweak can definantly be smoked in a bong. Some of it will instantly melt down into the weed and it will be smoked as the ashes heat it even if the direct flame is losing a lot of it. It's a very ineffective way of smoking it, but you'll definantly feel something. You're just losing a lot.
Same for the coke, although less so. This is almost a total waste. But I've done it. It's very subtle and a waste of money unless you're a dumbass like your friend who really needs to learn how to smoke drugs better.

I hate when people use the excuse, "I didn't know." I mean, when you are doing these kinds of activities which could possibly prove fatal wouldn't you wanna read up on it a bit first?
I've found that for the most part it takes either some serious effort or serious stupidity. It doesn't take more than common sense to figure out if what you're doing is really dumb or dangerous.
You're definantly right.. "I didn't know" is a pretty sorry excuse. "Jeez, I took like 20 doses of this drug and I overdosed!".. like big fucking suprise!

I was talking to a nurse at my university, and the issue of my drug use came up. He said that as long as my useage doesn't negatively effect my life, and I'm "Living life to the fullest", he sees nothing wrong with what I do. Coming from a medical professional, I have a lot of respect for him.
Actually, I've encountered a lot of people in the medical field that are open to or into drugs.

One of my friends swears to everything that you can put coke on a blunt (he likes to call it a primo) and you will feel the effects of coke. He argued with me forever, I eventually gave up.
If you tried it yourself, you wouldn't be arguing with him. If you fill up a blunt with a quarter to half gram, you will most certainly feel it. Yes, it waste a lot and it's much weaker than using it any other way, but it will do something alright.

I am obsessive with finding out everything I can about a substance before I take it. I was actually very anti-drug when I was growing up and only first smoked pot when I was 25.
Why would you START using at 25? That's when you should be quitting drugs and getting ready to have a family or something or doing something productive with your life. You should just quit now while you're ahead. All you're going to do is spend the next 10 years figuring out why drugs are a waste of time.

If you think that's bad... One kid I know, whenever he does shrooms, tells me how it just feels like good weed, no visuals.
The first few times I tried shrooms, that's what they were like. He's probably just getting some really weak stuff or people are putting a few real ones in with some dried gourmet shrooms because he's dumb and he'll buy them anyways.

When he snorts his crystal at school, tells me it doesn't hurt and you have to "jump around and socialize" to start feeling the effects.
Heh.. well he's without a doubt getting ripped off here. Hey, give me his number so I can sell him some "really good stuff", lol.

there was a time in all of out lives before we found BL. and we didn't know shit about shit when it came to factual information on drugs
BUT we still took that pill, shot that dope, smoked that puddle, etc...
without any worries(or very few)
Maybe you don't read a lot of the posts on BL, for all that people here like to pretend they're very responsible about their drug use, for the most part, they are not. Simply because a lot of users here are informed and educated and knowledgable does not mean they use it.
You're right about one thing, though, ignorance is bliss.

And now, I offer new substances to my good friends, but only if they agree to at least learn SOMETHING about the possible consequences of what theyre about to do...
This is like telling a 17 year old girl that just because you fuck doesn't mean you love her. If someone has a drug problem or other problems, then they can know the consequences and still not do anything about it, believe them or care.
Let your friends find new drugs themselves. If they aren't willing to do the research on their own, you're only opening up more opportunities for trouble with them.