yo0123yo
Bluelighter
I am planning on checking in to the pat moore foundation rehab center in costa mesa cali and i was just wondering what withdrawals i am to expect from suboxone use for the past 3 months? how long should withdrawals last?
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Been on One Suboxone daily for past 3 months, withdrawals?
- Thread starter yo0123yo
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What dose were you stabilized at? 3 months is enough to make you quite uncomfortable coming off. Can't you go to a detox before you go? Although a 5 day detox actually really won't do anything for you. So scratch that. Can you taper before you go? Or taper while your there?
Captain.Heroin
Bluelight Crew
Just like the best piece of advice you can get is "location, location, location" when considering buying land or a home or renting an apartment or leasing an office or condo, the best piece of advice you can get is "Taper, taper, taper."
You want to taper as comfortably and quickly as possible from the largest dosage you've maintained yourself at, to a more modest dosage.
Then you want to taper a bit slower, to get down to a low dosage.
And then finally you want to ween yourself off the low dosage with very gradual baby steps down from a low dose to nothing.
An example of how I do a taper.... keeping in mind each dosage may be repeated 3 to 6 times per day, IV or IM. If you are doing a sublingual taper (highly recommended over any other ROA if your goal is to taper off), then you might have some diff numbers, I'll give a second example below.
I drop from 130mcg to 98mcg, taking a week to adjust.
Then I drop from 98mcg to 65mcg, taking a week to two weeks to adjust.
Then I decrease by 10mcg, taking a week for each dose decreasement to adjust and stabilize.
Then by the time I get down to, say, 20 to 30 mcg, I'll decrease by 2 to 5 mcg per dosage, until I get to zero (or until I get to a level that is barely being felt whatsoever).
This is going to help reduce the intensity of the withdrawal from buprenorphine significantly. It's very important to taper for optimal success in quitting.
Sublingual tapering example, where the dosages listed are once per day sublingual dosages: (this is the recommended way to taper)
You can start at 8mg per dosage, decrease by 2mg each week for 3 weeks.
At 2mg per dosage, you can decrease by 0.5mg each week for 3 weeks.
Then at 0.5mg, you can decrease by 0.1mg each week (if this is feasible for you), until you get to zero, or until you get to a dose that's barely holding you - then you can jump off.
On the last layer of tapering, going from dosing every day to every other day is also beneficial.
You want to taper as comfortably and quickly as possible from the largest dosage you've maintained yourself at, to a more modest dosage.
Then you want to taper a bit slower, to get down to a low dosage.
And then finally you want to ween yourself off the low dosage with very gradual baby steps down from a low dose to nothing.
An example of how I do a taper.... keeping in mind each dosage may be repeated 3 to 6 times per day, IV or IM. If you are doing a sublingual taper (highly recommended over any other ROA if your goal is to taper off), then you might have some diff numbers, I'll give a second example below.
I drop from 130mcg to 98mcg, taking a week to adjust.
Then I drop from 98mcg to 65mcg, taking a week to two weeks to adjust.
Then I decrease by 10mcg, taking a week for each dose decreasement to adjust and stabilize.
Then by the time I get down to, say, 20 to 30 mcg, I'll decrease by 2 to 5 mcg per dosage, until I get to zero (or until I get to a level that is barely being felt whatsoever).
This is going to help reduce the intensity of the withdrawal from buprenorphine significantly. It's very important to taper for optimal success in quitting.
Sublingual tapering example, where the dosages listed are once per day sublingual dosages: (this is the recommended way to taper)
You can start at 8mg per dosage, decrease by 2mg each week for 3 weeks.
At 2mg per dosage, you can decrease by 0.5mg each week for 3 weeks.
Then at 0.5mg, you can decrease by 0.1mg each week (if this is feasible for you), until you get to zero, or until you get to a dose that's barely holding you - then you can jump off.
On the last layer of tapering, going from dosing every day to every other day is also beneficial.
dude i get withdrawals from a .5mg bupre habit. if i dont dose every 18-24 hrs, WD symptoms show up. nothing serious, but annoying. runny nose, fatigue, RLS, yawning, watery eyes, and just that feeling that i need to dose again, yah know? i just dont feel "right." then at 48hrs, my legs cramp and i havent slept and i feel like shit. however, the 72hr mark is the worst, but is only mediocre compared to a serious heroin or methadone habit.
suboxone withdrawal is generally less intense than full-agonist withdrawal like heroin or oxycodone. on the other hand, buprenorphine withdrawal lasts is etremely elongated, physical WD lasts 2-3 weeks, instead of 2-5 days. thats what sucks..... but the PAWS from bupre are not as bad as coming off an IV heroin addiction as hopefully you were using the time wisely. hopefully you provocatively replaced unhealthy habits like doing drugs with healthy habits like exercising while you were on suboxone. hopefully you went through CBT , and got to the root of your problems for why you need heroin in your life while on bupre.
suboxone withdrawal is generally less intense than full-agonist withdrawal like heroin or oxycodone. on the other hand, buprenorphine withdrawal lasts is etremely elongated, physical WD lasts 2-3 weeks, instead of 2-5 days. thats what sucks..... but the PAWS from bupre are not as bad as coming off an IV heroin addiction as hopefully you were using the time wisely. hopefully you provocatively replaced unhealthy habits like doing drugs with healthy habits like exercising while you were on suboxone. hopefully you went through CBT , and got to the root of your problems for why you need heroin in your life while on bupre.
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yo0123yo
Bluelighter
i was stabilized on an average of about one 8/2 mg film a day for the past 3 months and before that i was on opiates for i would say nearly one year total. I am kind of happy am going to be detoxing and doing a 30 day stay at a rehab center so at least while withdrawing i will be under medical watch which i am sure they will use suboxone to make withdrawal as least comfortable as possible.
Taper...taper...taper.. If your older and experienced like Cpt. Heroin, otherwise if your usually an irresponsible addict type such as myself. Do a forced taper. For example, I just went on a week long vacation to Utah for snowboarding. Did I bring all my meds? Hell no. I set up a plan where I would do less and less k-pins over a weeks time. However with the other RC (prescribed) I also brought I ended up flushing entirely which was a very impulsive move and I ended up sleep 10-12 hour days and feeling really E-tarded. The thing was, I had just binged on addy for my Finals for a week and I just got fed up with that junk and figured if I had to crash, it might as well be now. Anyways I ended up running out of kpins on the last couple days on my trip and the flight home sucked and I drank a lot to compensate. But for me, I knew I just couldnt taper responsibly, and did I regret not bringing my entire scripts with me on the trip? Yeah, definitly at times. But the thing is, now that I'm back home finally after a day and a half journey from Salt Lake City back to Central Cali. My benzos + addy tolerance is super low. In other words, listen to your body, especially with the stims.
The reason I flushed the addy was because I can usually do 30 pushups np, and after a week on the addy I was so fatigued and week it really pissed me off. So obviously tapering responsibly is best, but some people cannot do that. So you do have the more foolish option of cutting yourself down by allocating a certain healthy (forced) taper kind of what I did. However if we are talking heavy benzo dependence, or alcohol, or opiates of any kind, ignore my opinion and find someway to taper and comfortable and safetly as possible.
All I can say is what I did, and it seems to have worked because I just took 50mg adderall + 2mg kpins and I'm feeling great. And not like utter shit or tweeked out because I already crashed on addy and went baseline. I know for me, I have to take more drastic approaches if your just want to get back to that sweet spot again. As far as suboxone goes, taper taper taper, taper. /End Rant
The reason I flushed the addy was because I can usually do 30 pushups np, and after a week on the addy I was so fatigued and week it really pissed me off. So obviously tapering responsibly is best, but some people cannot do that. So you do have the more foolish option of cutting yourself down by allocating a certain healthy (forced) taper kind of what I did. However if we are talking heavy benzo dependence, or alcohol, or opiates of any kind, ignore my opinion and find someway to taper and comfortable and safetly as possible.
All I can say is what I did, and it seems to have worked because I just took 50mg adderall + 2mg kpins and I'm feeling great. And not like utter shit or tweeked out because I already crashed on addy and went baseline. I know for me, I have to take more drastic approaches if your just want to get back to that sweet spot again. As far as suboxone goes, taper taper taper, taper. /End Rant