How bad will the withdrawal be? 1.5 months I've been chewing on small strips for pain in my back and leg. I was addicted to 40mg methdadone and 32 hydromorphone 6 months ago and quit cold turkey in a week It was hell. I can't beleive I've screwed up again and hate myself for getting back in. Does anyone have any tips for me of how bad this will be or should I just cut them into smaller strips I use about 2 a day of small strips should I keep cutting them smaller and smaller or will that just make the end worse??? I don't have access to anything but 60mg of methadone 12 5mg pills but I dont' think that would be good since of the long half life. Any help would be appreciated.
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Been chewing 1/8 1/4 strips of used fent patches wanting to stop!!
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Yeah taper for sure it really will make a huge differance. If you have the self control to do it properly then this might not be a horrific experience. the good and bad of fent is the short half life on one hand the acute withdrawals will be shorter than heroin but also more intense. I would get some loperamide clonidine and benzos to keep you comfortable. maybe weed if thats your thing. But again taper with the fent thats the best thing you can do IMO
I wasn't sure since I hadn't been on it to long and never wore the patch just cut small slices off of it. about 1/4 or less. I'm glad I never wore any of them since I do have some new ones but I knew that would not be a good road to go down. So you think just cut smaller patches like half the strip amount or so? I wish I had vicodin or somthing it's so much easier to figure out dosage I'm just hopeing they won't be that bad since I was on a small amount for a shorter time. Glad to here it will be shorter then Methadone I was on it for years and coming off of it all must did me in. 2 months of hell no eating/anxiety/skin crawling I would wish it on anyone.
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Fent W.D wasn't long for me? maybe bad for 2-3 days then it was all over...
Of all the Op that I have done fent was by far the strongest my violent w.d of all of them.. however it was also the shortest lasting...
Dunno if it helps?
I say the same thing to everyone. IF YOUR A DRUG ADDICT LEARN HOW TO WITHDRAWAL RIGHT
Get some meds and quit the easy correct way. Why suffer?
There always a way to med detox for not to much cash.
Trust me I suffered though WD over and over getting just enough pills to get high for a few hours to start my WD all over again.. then I learned. When I got addicted I would WD with benzos. By time out the benzos. I would go back on my drugs and my tolerance would be down for awhile Then I would do it all over again. If your going be a addict, be a good one. please
Of all the Op that I have done fent was by far the strongest my violent w.d of all of them.. however it was also the shortest lasting...
Dunno if it helps?
I say the same thing to everyone. IF YOUR A DRUG ADDICT LEARN HOW TO WITHDRAWAL RIGHT
Get some meds and quit the easy correct way. Why suffer?
There always a way to med detox for not to much cash.
Trust me I suffered though WD over and over getting just enough pills to get high for a few hours to start my WD all over again.. then I learned. When I got addicted I would WD with benzos. By time out the benzos. I would go back on my drugs and my tolerance would be down for awhile Then I would do it all over again. If your going be a addict, be a good one. please
Should I try to cut the one good patch in smaller pieces and cut back instead of chewing used ones or will that just end up being worse? cutting a 75mg into 9 pieces were it for a few days then cut the 2nd set into halves and so on? XXsickenessXX, Crimson or anyone think that would would work or help????
Some tips for gaining control over how you use fentanyl.
Hi RyanRhino.
Personally I recommend my method of using fent, which I outline in this post: fent withdrawals are a bitch for sure but are so much harder to deal with when one is taking it erratically and chaotically (i.e cutting a patch in several smaller pieces and chewing or cheeking them, removing them to eat, putting back some older and some newer ones, not sure which are which and then you may well find your self in withdrawals which are changing back and forth over a day or so as bits of fent you've ingested kick in and other bits lose their efficacy....... so you can feel like you're simultaneously almost oding and yet massively withdrawing).......
You must completely stabilise your useage of fent before thinking about stepping down and reducing your dose gradually and as painlesssly as possible. Have a read of how I use fent and perhaps you might find something useful there/
Firstly, I think you really should be "cheeking" and sublingually using your patches rather than chewing them. You'll increase the amount of fent you get from the patches in your mouth massively if you simply stick them, as best you can, to the inside of your cheeks and even put one under your tongue. And then try to keep said patches in their exact places for as long as poss so that you can re-create the reservoirs of fent behind your buccal membranes that are automatically created with ease by your body under your first layer of skin when a fent patch is used "as directed" and stuck firmly in place on an area of skin.
Each time the patch moves slightly sets back your aim of getting the process going properly of the fentanyl in the patch dispersing through your skin and forming a reservoir - which then drains at a relatively stable rate directly into your bloodstream where it works it magic, removes pain, causes happiness and relaxation.
Fentanyl is highly lipophilic which means it's absorbed best when it's transdermally used - i.e. going through the membrane of the skin and straight into your system bypassing the liver. If you're chewing patches I'm betting a lot of saliva is being generated and I'd also bet that you're swallowing quite a lot of said saliva....... and what little fent has gone into your saliva is reduced still further when taken orally and subsequently dealt with by the liver (which destroys most of the fent) before "getting into your system" so to speak.
A transdermal matrix patch when having been used for 2 days transdermally but then taken off to be used in your mouth ("bucally" for a faster stronger high) should be cut in half. Take one half and fold it in half so that the sticky, "active" side is now on the two outer sides of the folded half-patch.
Then place it underneath your tongue, avoid eating or drinking and try to keep it still and stuck in one place.
Take the other half patch and cut it into two equal pieces, which you then stick to the inner sides of your two cheeks. Again avoid eating and drinking and try your best to keep the pieces firmly in place.
And most important of all imho: consciously try to avoid generating saliva and any saliva that does accumulate try not to swallow it.......just hold it in your mouth so that any fent in the saliva can be absorbed through the mucous membranes inside your mouth.
I've been prescribed and using fent for about 5 years now and have experimented extensively with different techniques and through trial and error have concluded that my current method of using a patch transdermally for 48 hours, then buccally for 24 hours: and this means you get the constant, steady opioid intake for 48 hours when wearing it transdermally, and then you get higher and have a bit of fun for the next 24 hours using the patch buccally...... and because even when you've removed a fentanyl patch from your skin it still takes a good 16-18 hours for the fentanyl levels in your system to drop by 50% and this is the commonly accepted half-life of fentanyl which has been scientifically proved.
And by the time you really start to be physically "missing" the patch you removed, and you've absorbed all you're going to bucally about 20 - 24 hours after removing the patch from your skin then it's time for you to re-attach a fresh one to your skin....so basically if you time it correctly you can mess about with the patch buccally on the final day of its 72hr dosing and still not have to endure withdrawals worse than about 50% of your prescribed transdermal fent doseage for not more than about 6 to 8 hours before the new patch kicks in, anywhere between 6 and 12 hours for it to totally reach it's peak, plateau phase.
Hope this info is useful. Feel free to pm with any questions you may still have and I'll do my best to help you out. Good luck and be safe.
Hi RyanRhino.
Personally I recommend my method of using fent, which I outline in this post: fent withdrawals are a bitch for sure but are so much harder to deal with when one is taking it erratically and chaotically (i.e cutting a patch in several smaller pieces and chewing or cheeking them, removing them to eat, putting back some older and some newer ones, not sure which are which and then you may well find your self in withdrawals which are changing back and forth over a day or so as bits of fent you've ingested kick in and other bits lose their efficacy....... so you can feel like you're simultaneously almost oding and yet massively withdrawing).......
You must completely stabilise your useage of fent before thinking about stepping down and reducing your dose gradually and as painlesssly as possible. Have a read of how I use fent and perhaps you might find something useful there/
Firstly, I think you really should be "cheeking" and sublingually using your patches rather than chewing them. You'll increase the amount of fent you get from the patches in your mouth massively if you simply stick them, as best you can, to the inside of your cheeks and even put one under your tongue. And then try to keep said patches in their exact places for as long as poss so that you can re-create the reservoirs of fent behind your buccal membranes that are automatically created with ease by your body under your first layer of skin when a fent patch is used "as directed" and stuck firmly in place on an area of skin.
Each time the patch moves slightly sets back your aim of getting the process going properly of the fentanyl in the patch dispersing through your skin and forming a reservoir - which then drains at a relatively stable rate directly into your bloodstream where it works it magic, removes pain, causes happiness and relaxation.
Fentanyl is highly lipophilic which means it's absorbed best when it's transdermally used - i.e. going through the membrane of the skin and straight into your system bypassing the liver. If you're chewing patches I'm betting a lot of saliva is being generated and I'd also bet that you're swallowing quite a lot of said saliva....... and what little fent has gone into your saliva is reduced still further when taken orally and subsequently dealt with by the liver (which destroys most of the fent) before "getting into your system" so to speak.
A transdermal matrix patch when having been used for 2 days transdermally but then taken off to be used in your mouth ("bucally" for a faster stronger high) should be cut in half. Take one half and fold it in half so that the sticky, "active" side is now on the two outer sides of the folded half-patch.
Then place it underneath your tongue, avoid eating or drinking and try to keep it still and stuck in one place.
Take the other half patch and cut it into two equal pieces, which you then stick to the inner sides of your two cheeks. Again avoid eating and drinking and try your best to keep the pieces firmly in place.
And most important of all imho: consciously try to avoid generating saliva and any saliva that does accumulate try not to swallow it.......just hold it in your mouth so that any fent in the saliva can be absorbed through the mucous membranes inside your mouth.
I've been prescribed and using fent for about 5 years now and have experimented extensively with different techniques and through trial and error have concluded that my current method of using a patch transdermally for 48 hours, then buccally for 24 hours: and this means you get the constant, steady opioid intake for 48 hours when wearing it transdermally, and then you get higher and have a bit of fun for the next 24 hours using the patch buccally...... and because even when you've removed a fentanyl patch from your skin it still takes a good 16-18 hours for the fentanyl levels in your system to drop by 50% and this is the commonly accepted half-life of fentanyl which has been scientifically proved.
And by the time you really start to be physically "missing" the patch you removed, and you've absorbed all you're going to bucally about 20 - 24 hours after removing the patch from your skin then it's time for you to re-attach a fresh one to your skin....so basically if you time it correctly you can mess about with the patch buccally on the final day of its 72hr dosing and still not have to endure withdrawals worse than about 50% of your prescribed transdermal fent doseage for not more than about 6 to 8 hours before the new patch kicks in, anywhere between 6 and 12 hours for it to totally reach it's peak, plateau phase.
Hope this info is useful. Feel free to pm with any questions you may still have and I'll do my best to help you out. Good luck and be safe.
Excellent information! Thanx DHCDavid! I've been on Fentanyl patches for a little more than a year and have been "cheeking" used patches in the very way that you described. A few months ago, I tried cheeking fresh patches - wow!. I fortunately get plenty of them prescribed. Problem is that I'm not sure how long the new patches will continue to work while in my cheek. CAN YOU PLEASE TELL ME how long a fresh patch will continue to work effectively while in your cheek? Is the drug absorbed more quickly through your cheek than the ususal transdermal application? I'm concerned about disposing of patches too soon - or leaving them in my cheek too long. They continue to taste like crap for about four hours.... after which are they basically used up? Hope you or someone else can help with this information.