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Opioids Beating a moderate oxy addiction using large amounts of benzos

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mr. red

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Is this heard of? I got my hands on 60 1 mg clonoz and 60 2mg loraz. I was thinking quitting cold turkey and just talking like 20mg+ throughout the day to make it through the suffering. I can control my benzo intake, and often go weeks without them so I"m not super scared of trading one addiction for another. I know it's not safe to be taking that much, but I reaally nieed ro get off of them. I also have antihystenine
 
Its not a bad idea. The only thing you gotta worry about is blacking out deciding to get high on oxy then overdosing. Personally I find benzos essential for any kick
 
I know this may be against HR standards but i say if you have that many benzos and time off from any responsibilities go on and knock yourself the fuck out and get through the WD's. Go for it. Just don't end up addicted to the benzos as benzo WD makes oxy WD look like child's play (IME). Also, don't decide to take an oxy (or any opiate) while on that much benzo or you could stop breathing and die... If you must do it, don't give in and make it through it! All that benzo gone to waste in vain would suck. Hibernating through WD ftw.
 
Benzos with some other WD stuff like: exercise, good diet, Valerian root/Melatonin, DXM and maybe a little bit of a taper with the opiates.

I'm actually starting the same thing. Relying less on benzos and more on the taper though. Good luck and hopefully you avoid the decent and madness of opiate WDs.


And on a side note, a lot of people say to exercise but don't really explain why, I've just found out. When on opiates for a while, your body compensates by producing fewer endorphines. By exercising, you can help get back to you're body producing them instead of the opiates replacing them. Just a little food for thought.
 
If my damn etilozam order ever arrives (shipping RC's from the UK to Japan must be a huge ordeal, I've been waiting weeks and the tracking website says it still hasn't even left the freakin country), I'm going to do the same thing and use stims plus benzos to make my WD from 4 years of bupe and other opiates/opioids bearable.

I can't wait, it should be fun if the stim high doesn't make the opiate WD's worse, but maybe the benzo in combo with that will help. I look forward to even more using opioids again once my tolerance goes down. I haven't had a good opiate high in half a decade.

I don't understand why people say euphoric stimulants just make opiate WD worse, raises the anxiety and discomfort. I didn't find this to be the case with me except maybe a little bit more anxious but the high overcame those feelings. Maybe with a benzo in the mix it will be a good combo.
 
Just my op but

crimsonjunk said:
Its not a bad idea. The only thing you gotta worry about is blacking out deciding to get high on oxy then overdosing. Personally I find benzos essential for any kick
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I can see how it makes since. Then again if it has any chance of causing a benzo dependence, I would avoid it. I'm not sure how to explain it, but I have had w/d's from both. The Benzo w/d is way worse than Opiates. For me anyway. At one point I was taking both and ran out of benzos and only had Opiates. Strong ones and had lots. Even with the opiates, the benzo w/d's where real bad. Even if I took lots of opiates.
 
I would rather just shoot myself in the fucking face than do that. If you get addicted to the benzos, you're gonna regret it. I'd go through 10 oxy withdrawals rather than 1 benzo withdrawal. Actually fuck that. I'd go through 50.
 
obscure said:
And on a side note, a lot of people say to exercise but don't really explain why, I've just found out. When on opiates for a while, your body compensates by producing fewer endorphines. By exercising, you can help get back to you're body producing them instead of the opiates replacing them. Just a little food for thought.
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Ever heard of runners high? My neuroscience professor was telling the class that a 'runners high' is practically the same thing as an opiate high. When you run, especially for long periods of time (2 plus hours), your body will release endorphins. When you ingest opiates, the primary reason for the euphoria/good feeling is the high amount of endorphins it releases. What's most interesting though is that he said there have been cases where people who chronically run actually become addicted to it, and end up having "flu like" withdrawals.

Bottom line, running will help. But don't run too much, or you'll just trade one addiction for another, and that's never a good thing ;)
 
I have detoxed off both and I gotta agree with some people. Id rather detox off opiates then benzos. The benzo wd period lasts a lot longer and its a not just pysical its a mental fuck to if you ask me.
 
As others have said, benzo withdrawal is a lot more dangerous and is also physically & mentally worse than opiate withdrawal, so be careful with them.

crimsonjunk said:
The only thing you gotta worry about is blacking out deciding to get high on oxy then overdosing.
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That or just getting a case of the "fuck its" (that benzos are so famous for) and deciding to cave in and get more opiates. Benzos can cause drug seeking behavior, and I have certainly experienced that from them.
 
I'm on day 2 of an o-dt withdrwawl. Here's my experience so far fwiw, as my habit of continuous daily use has been relatively very short and moderate compared to some, (About 1 month of constant daily use, topping out @ about 500 mg per day), but its still been long enough to cause WDs. Day 1 was absolute misery, knowing that if i could only dose up on some more o-dt i'd be flying high once again and full of energy, rather than being totally depressed and not even having the energy to watch TV. I guess it was a good thing that my supplies have run dry for at least several weeks so i have no opportunity to cave in.

Anyway on day 1 i tried moderate PV dosing expecting some lift of energy and mood. I got neither. Probably the opposite effect truth be told. Logically it was the last thing my body needed, as stimulants are known to divert energy away from normal bodily functioning, eating, digestion and absorbtion of nutruients etc. Realising this later that day i flushed the pv and started on Etizolam and man did that make the difference. Still felt very drowsy but my mood was subtly but significantly lifted. Slept for about 15 hours, I would wake up every 4 hrs or so and take another Etiz to knock me back out.

Today i eventually came to, felt very lethargic but in decent spirits, was able to concentrate and enjoy some TV. (When my mood is bad i cannot do that as i just despise everything and cannot enjoy anything, but, weirdly)was watching a film on George Harrison and the music sounded awesome and the WD chills would coincide with the chord changes, or the build up of the music with new elements coming into it, and the awesome music and become heavenly goose bumps from the effects of the music. This might have been something to do with the other couple of half of etizolams id had and also just nibbled away on as much food as i could get down me.

Just recently i have caved in and taken some stims (150mg of B2) feel miles better, though i realise this may be sacrificing the overall speed of recovery, for a short term boost. Hopefully though i will just enjoy this lift for a couple of hours, then wont re-dose and should be able to eat a tin of ravioli or something this evening. Thus standing me in better stead for having a bit more energy tomorrow.
 
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mr. red said:
Just took my last oxy, can't decide whether I want to stop opiates and stick to benzos
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Lol... If this is how you feel then I can pretty much 100% guarantee that you WILL NOT be stopping your current opiate usage. If you seriously wanted/needed to stop as your OP implied, then you would not be saying this now. Good luck none-the-less.
 
flyonth3wall said:
Lol... If this is how you feel then I can pretty much 100% guarantee that you WILL NOT be stopping your current opiate usage. If you seriously wanted/needed to stop as your OP implied, then you would not be saying this now. Good luck none-the-less.
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Yeah, you were right. I continued opiates for three more months, then went to Europe for a month to get clean. Now I've been clean for five weeks and it feels good, although I want to get high really bad right now.
 
tricomb said:
Congratulations! Stay clean! Definitely not a good idea to trade opioid addiction for benzodiazepine addiction.
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I 100% agree with you, but I get prescribed meds that don't cost me anything ie. Kpin but opiates have drained my life savings in the last nine months.
 
Yeah I'm prescribed a shitload of meds that don't cost me much, but that's no reason to abuse them just because they don't cost you much. Just my $0.02
 
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