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I'll say bags a lot.

If you're around these parts and you don't instantly get a slight twinge of excitement when someone mentions 'bags' in an odd manner, chances are you're not a heroin addict and don't know what I'm talking about. You can usually tell by a persons reaction or their response whether they're into it or not.

If there's still confusion, I'd say diesel.
 
in Chicago I always got my dope in aluminum foil, sometimes the aluminum was really tightly put together into a tiny little square, 1cm squared and sometimes it was loosely put together and the size of 2inch by 0.5 inch rectangle. That depended on the person who sold the dope.

except 2 times
1) when I got it in a gel capsule from some white suburban kid who probably got their dope from the west side, then sold it for double the price
2) I got it in a little plastic baggie with a piece of raw corn in it, I guess the corn was the sign of some gang or something, I don't remember if the dope was just in the plastic baggie or whether there was aluminum fail inside the plastic baggie

I never seen stamped bags, the corn was the only sign of any identification by a gang

xxkcxx said:
That is also what we call it here in chicago.

They know what you are saying if you say H, but if you say dope, you might get rocks instead. I don't think they would know boy or diesel, but that is just because I never really hear it used around here anyway.

Interesting info about the needle exchange...I always wondered how those worked.
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You know, I was addicted for a year and never called it "blows", i always thought that name was for coke only. I got hookups through an acquaintance and I always bought what he bought, so I never even had to say what I needed, just the same thing. I always had connects in decent neighborhoods and never went to the westside and never bought from someone I didn't know.

Yeah and Chicago has several needle exchange programs. I just learned that through a google search.

Also, I didn't know you could legally bu gear at any pharmacy. I never injected and just never knew that.

Georgie25 said:
Is there a way to stop the nausea i usually get when on dope/opiates?
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When I first started using I had lots of puking and nausea. But for some reason it wasn't really that bad. It was kinda nice in a way, I puked and felt better and the puking really wasn't as bad as regular puking. Seems that everything on heroin feels good.

The nausea went away with time. Your body needs time to get used to the drug.

I wonder why opiates make you nauseous and puke? Anyone know?

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Thanks Lacey K for clearing up that misinformation.

"Brown powder is diamorphine. White heroin is purer."
diamorphine = heroin
"Brown powder is heroin. White heroin is purer."
White Heroin is purer than heroin itself. WTF? There is nothing purer than heroin itself (the chemical we call heroin, diacetylmorphine) which is 100% pure. That stuff we get in bags that we call heroin is only partially pure heroin, and we can not tell how pure it is just by looking at its color.
 
Z Y G G Y said:
except 2 times
1) when I got it in a gel capsule from some white suburban kid who probably got their dope from the west side, then sold it for double the price
2) I got it in a little plastic baggie with a piece of raw corn in it, I guess the corn was the sign of some gang or something, I don't remember if the dope was just in the plastic baggie or whether there was aluminum fail inside the plastic baggie

I never seen stamped bags, the corn was the only sign of any identification by a gang
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In Chicago, dope is most often in the foilies or baggies. Usually the dealer will also put the dope in foil if they use bags, but not always.

When you say there was "raw corn" on it...do you mean that was the picture on the bag?

If so, there really isn't any connection between the bag and who sells it. There are places that use the same bags all or most of the time, but there are more than one place that will use the same bag and there are people who just use whatever they pick up at the store that day.

I also have only ever gotten gel caps from 1 person.

Z Y G G Y said:
You know, I was addicted for a year and never called it "blows", i always thought that name was for coke only. I got hookups through an acquaintance and I always bought what he bought, so I never even had to say what I needed, just the same thing. I always had connects in decent neighborhoods and never went to the westside and never bought from someone I didn't know.
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Yeah, I'm not sure if they call it blows on the south or north sides. I just know about the west.

The difference between the phrase for coke and for heroin is that coke would be "give me SOME blow" and heroin would be "I need A blow" or "I need X [number of] blowS."

They guys on the corners are usually calling out "rocks and blows!"

A girl I know once went through all the names asking a corner chick for heroin before finally saying heroin...the dealer told her "we call it boy george around here!"

It was like a block or two down from a regular spot of mine and I never heard it called that ANYWHERE so idk what the hell that crackhead was talking about but I laughed :)
 
lacey k said:
Ight, for anybody that dont want to read my post thats about to come, just know that the post above me is 100% FALSE.

anyways, mr Lou reed,

Why would you post information that is not true and present it as a fact? It is misleading to say shit like that when its dead-azz wrong and then people read it and think its true, and you are the one responsible for spreadin misinformation, which is exactly the OPPOSITE of wat we do here on BL. the idea is to educate people about the facts, not make up your own version of the facts that clearly shows you aint got much knowledge of the truth, and then act like its true.

For somebody named after a famous heroin addict you seem to not have a very good understanding of heroin or the way its made.

Your statement is wrong in a few ways.

First of all the color of the dope aint got shit to do with the purity unless you are referring to #3 vs #4 dope, where the #3 is the caffeine-added, darker brown powder that is smokeable in its base form, which is used in the UK.

We dont even GET #3 in the US, so its irrelevant if youre referrin to heroin in the states. All the powder heroin on the east coast is #4 heroin. it ranges in color from light brown/tan color to white and gray. And the color dont indicate the purity wat so ever. You cannot judge the quality of RETAIL, STREET LEVEL heroin, by lookin at the color. period.

While it is true that the most finely processed heroin which comes from the golden triangle (southeast asian dope) the processing and cleaning eventually brings it to a pure white color, and in its UN CUT form directly from a high level source the purest dope is white, that dont have nothing to do with the shit on the street. And i know you aint gettin no uncut shit off the boat, so we aint gonna talk about that since none of us is getting that.

When you get shit on the street its cut with all kind of different things some adds color some dont, some lighten the color, some makes it browner, a lot of shit happens to it. Once its stepped on and brought to you, the color could be shit brown or snow white and neither one of them indicates a better or worse quality or purity level.

The majority of american east coast powder is from South America, not SE Asia. The south americans in general do not put as much final "finishing touches" in the processing of their dope and it usually aint cleaned to the point of almost perfection that the asians generally use. it is still high purity usually only a small percentage away from the quality of the SE asian product, but may not be white because alot of the time they want to get it out and moving and dont want to take the last steps to fully wash it and have that white color. It is still the same product its just a less white color.

Maybe you are thinking of black tar heroin compared to powder, in that case yes powder is better, but not all powder is white so that wouldnt make no sense. The only conclusion i can figure out is that you straight up pulled some shit outta your ass and posted it here becuz even giving the benefit of the doubt i still cant understand where your reasoning is comin from.

And finally, for the record .....Diamorphine IS heroin. I have no idea wat you think you are telling people by informing them that "brown heroin is diamorphine and white heroin is purer" because ALL heroin is diamorphine.

So, Ima suggest that next time you attempt to make a large, generalized statement about somethin you are totally ignorant on, you look at even a little bit of actual correct facts before you make a fool outta yourself and misinform people who might not know better than to believe the way-off-base shit you say.
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Ok... so regardless, white heroin is purer than any other form then. You even said it, the stuff that comes from the golden triangle which is pure white heroin, is the purest dope due to the extensive processes they use to clean and refine it over there. Columbian heroin isn't as potent as shit from the golden triangle cuz as you said yourself they don't put the finishing touches on it so it is not as potent as SEA heroin. I understand that by the time the dope ends up in our hands to shoot, the color doesn't matter due to it being stepped on and being cut with whatever. But still, heroin which has gone through all the steps to be cleaned and refined and is has not been cut up is going to be white. Doesn't matter what we end up copping on the streets, when the dope was first produced and if the mexicans or asians or whoever took all the neccessary steps to get completely 100% pure heroin its going to be white. So basically what loureed said wasn't complete BS. He said white heroin is purer than brown heroin. Like I said, obviously when you buy heroin here in America the color isn't a determining factor in quality due to the dope being cut up. SEA heroin and columbian heroin are not the same product as you stated above, because SEA heroin has a higher percentage of purity than columbian heroin which you also stated above lol. I mean I'm sure if the columbians took the time to do all the shit the asians do, they would have the same purer white dope than the tan/beige shit they sell now.
 
xxkcxx said:
When you say there was "raw corn" on it...do you mean that was the picture on the bag?
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There was an actual piece of corn, the actual vegetable, not a picture, in the little plastic baggie. 1 corn in each baggie. This was years ago. I laughed when I saw it.

As far as knowing what heroin is called, I was always too chicken shit to go to the west side to get my dope. I still am. That might be the one thing keeping me outta using cuz all my old phone connects are gone.

I'm going to some trance thing tomorrow and everyone is taking E. I have to force that shit down my throat almost ;). But seriously, I'd have such a better time on dope. I'd dance all night in my own little world and not feel like a god damn crack head 2-3 hours into the thing. I hate going sober, but E is far from my DOC.

I wish I didn't have to go out. I didn't really have much of a choice I guess. The tickets were bought and it was just assumed I'd go and take E. How the hell am I supposed to stay away from drugs? Taking E just makes me crave dope. It's such an inferior drug to heroin on so many levels.
 
Hendrix Haze15 said:
Ok... so regardless, white heroin is purer than any other form then. You even said it, the stuff that comes from the golden triangle which is pure white heroin, is the purest dope due to the extensive processes they use to clean and refine it over there. Columbian heroin isn't as potent as shit from the golden triangle cuz as you said yourself they don't put the finishing touches on it so it is not as potent as SEA heroin. I understand that by the time the dope ends up in our hands to shoot, the color doesn't matter due to it being stepped on and being cut with whatever. But still, heroin which has gone through all the steps to be cleaned and refined and is has not been cut up is going to be white. Doesn't matter what we end up copping on the streets, when the dope was first produced and if the mexicans or asians or whoever took all the neccessary steps to get completely 100% pure heroin its going to be white. So basically what loureed said wasn't complete BS. He said white heroin is purer than brown heroin. Like I said, obviously when you buy heroin here in America the color isn't a determining factor in quality due to the dope being cut up. SEA heroin and columbian heroin are not the same product as you stated above, because SEA heroin has a higher percentage of purity than columbian heroin which you also stated above lol. I mean I'm sure if the columbians took the time to do all the shit the asians do, they would have the same purer white dope than the tan/beige shit they sell now.
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lacey k stated in her post that theoretically white could be purer than brown, theoretically. But practically that type of thinking is useless in the states.

This type of thinking can be misleading to people. Lacey K explained thing very well in her post and I don't really see how your response is relevant or brings something new to the plate.

Yes, in theory white can be purer.

Is that the case in real life...NO!

So for your everyday user basing purity on color is of absolutely no use. For reasons give in Lacey K's post.

When you say stuff like that people might think its true and when they find really white dope they might think its really pure dope when in fact its fentanyl. Harm reduction and Lacey does a good job at it.
 
I find white more intense but that's probably, as lacey stated, due to caffeine being added to brown.
 
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LouReed said:
I find white more intense but that's probably, as lacey stated, due to caffeine being added to brown.
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wat country are you in?? White and brown heroin are not two different kinds of heroin.I dontknow wat is so hard to understand about this. IN the UK the brown heroin BASE that they get, has cafffeine added.

INn nthe US, There is powder dope thatis white, and powder dopethat is off white tan and brown. HOWEVER that DONT meanthere is caffeine in all brown dope.Just that the only dopethey have inthe UK is brown dope with caffeine added. you seem to be very confused loureed
 
Surely all this has been discusssed to death already? Caffiene is added to make it smokeable as is for the UK, that is all. Hence the need to add an acid to make it shootable.


Anyway, i'm dying for some dope, oh well.
 
Z Y G G Y said:
lacey k stated in her post that theoretically white could be purer than brown, theoretically. But practically that type of thinking is useless in the states.

This type of thinking can be misleading to people. Lacey K explained thing very well in her post and I don't really see how your response is relevant or brings something new to the plate.

Yes, in theory white can be purer.

Is that the case in real life...NO!

So for your everyday user basing purity on color is of absolutely no use. For reasons give in Lacey K's post.

When you say stuff like that people might think its true and when they find really white dope they might think its really pure dope when in fact its fentanyl. Harm reduction and Lacey does a good job at it.
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Ok, first of all, I stated twice in my post that for all of us buying dope here in america, the color really doesn't matter and isn't going to determine quality. Lacey basically called out loureed on his BS, but his post wasn't completly off. Thats what I'm saying. Yeah sure, here in the states the color doesn't matter, but I was more talking about the dope before it even hits the shores of America. I mean, I know that really doesn't matter to us cuz none of us are getting shit straight off the boat uncut, but in reality the dope which has gone through all the cleaning and refining processes is going to be white and very very pure. The stuff which is coming from columbia isnt as pure as it is brown. This is obviously before the shit is cut up and bagged up. Once thats done, the color don't matter to us.
 
The point is that the purity difference between the brown south american and the white south asian is very small. It aint as pure but the actual difference aint that significant.
 
yeah I get Lacey's point, idk what is so confusing about it.

SE is probably more pure when manufactured than SA dope. BUT by the time it gets to your veins it has been cut enough to not matter where you got it from. I have had some of the purest brown dope in my life and some of the shittiest white SE shit. In the black market you can't judge by looks. Your best bet is to get to know a reliable source, that is a better general purity indicator IME than looks, taste, texture, etc. But you can get scammed every once in a while that way too.

But yes, in theory pharmaceutical grade Heroin should be a white crystalline powder, much like that of other opiates. Just remember I could manufacture my own shit, make it 99% pure and add some some red food coloring to it and let it dry. Would you then believe that red/pink Heroin was the most pure Heroin? ....sorry for being unrealistic, jsut trying to reiterate the point
 
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That's Spanish slang for heroin. From what I know, it's not used by Mexicans, but rather Hispanics from PR, DR, and various islands and some from SA.
 
Out west, which I noticed starts once your past the mississippi, it tends to be all tar instead of powdered heroin. Common slang for the tar is "chiva", which is mexican for goat. Go figure huh? Goat? I noticed on of the best indicators of decent H is smell. If it smells like vinegar, than its usually pretty good. That even gpoes for the powder, which is what I get out of Chicago. The powder out of Chicago is usually an off white and the whiter the better. White has less impurities. Tar, which has all kinds of impurities compared to powdered, fucks up my veins quicker than the powder. There is fentanyl dope too and that shit was killing people. Which gives me the opinion, that even though fentayl is not H, per se, its still purer. This is just from experience, not from trying to be smart. If I was smart, I wouldn't have shot dope in my veins! I maybe goin to hell in a bucket but at least I'm ejoyin the ride!
 
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