Balls, Barbies, and Bongs? Children's Book on Pot

I think the basic premise - that children will make good choices when presented with all the information - is seriously flawed.

You can't send your child mixed messages, which is exactly what this book is. Children will not think about all the facts. They will hear and process the facts that sound good to them. Couple that with normal curiosity and you will pretty much ensure they will seek out whatever it is you are talking about.

If your point is to try to prevent them from smoking pot too early in life - and it DAMN well ought to be - then this book is simply a bad idea.

Children are children. They need restriction and guidance.
 
Children are children. They need restriction and guidance. [/B]



I agreee- that doesn';t mean they need tyranicall parents creating all sorts of despotic rules for their children. It simply means lets preserve the beauty and wonder and pure joy of a child for as long a can be done. Thats, in fact, probably why we take drugs (at least of the psychedelic bent)- to once again infuse our world with wonder and freshness. I just want a child to be a child, not a tiny little adult. Anyhow peace out- and Jayville- I'm hardly preaching on my second post. Just stating my opinion. Tell me whats wrong with that? (That is if you were actually referring to me in your short yet succinct attack on some entity named Francis).

Anything is possible- Astral Projection
 
it seems that people who try to limit adults choices on drugs. use two logics a) what they personaly like or dislike and b) children. its bs.

if you dont like pot dont do it. dont tell people who do like it not to. and dont preach about why you dont like it or why it does not agree with you or your lifestyle.

lighten up francis. is a referance to the movie stripes. where one guy tells another guy who is acting like a stuffy tightass to chillout.
 
Norules said:
I'm hardly preaching on my second post. Just stating my opinion. Tell me whats wrong with that?n

You have a personal problem with pot, and are biased towards it, just because you can't control your pot use dosen't mean that others can't. You shouldn't end up bitter because YOU lost control of yourself, the drugs have nothing to do with it--they are only a tool.

It really is just a plant and we shouldn't spread lies about it--either for or against. I think this book is a great idea.
 
hahah yea when they ride bikes, the mom is wearing a Sgt. Pepper costume!!!

8o

I definitely think there will be a sequel coming along the lines of "It's just a fungus" or "Cactus' are Spikey, But Only Need Hugs" :D
 
jayville904 said:
it seems that people who try to limit adults choices on drugs. use two logics a) what they personaly like or dislike and b) children. its bs.

if you dont like pot dont do it. dont tell people who do like it not to. and dont preach about why you dont like it or why it does not agree with you or your lifestyle.

lighten up francis. is a referance to the movie stripes. where one guy tells another guy who is acting like a stuffy tightass to chillout.

Why can't I state my opinion? I'm not telling you what to do or attacking you, I don't even know you and frankly, wouldn't care too (Hmm, mild attack there I guess). If I was to educate kids on drugs I certainly wouldn't ever condone it, moreove I would educate them when they are at an age where reality is more concrete. Thanks for calling me a stuffy tightass- such a kind and loving assesment of a person based on their view on one minor thing. Truly, that has bothered me- a forum is a place for opinions, maybe you don't realise that. I guess your opinion of me, based on your summary of my anal condition and its stuffiness thereof is legit- but seriously have a blunt or something, it may open your mind, cos judging by your hasty abusive replies, its slammed shut tighter then my ass. Anyhow, peace out . . .
 
I kind of have to agree with Norules here: you`re all attacking him because of his beliefs that marijuana is not good. But Norules, you were actually saying that marijuana deadens people etc. etc. And while that may be true for you(and for me, although I still use, but less frequently now), it doesn`t mean that it`s true for everyone.

And I really do have to agree that marijuana can be quite addictive, almost all the people I know abuse it(use daily, if anyone would drink that much they`d be called an alcoholic, why not call it an addiction when it`s pot?)

Maybe I`m not making much sense, but I`ve been drinking(not smoking though, but might in a few hours) because a friend of mine has just committed suicide. Rest in peace Miguel, I hope you`ll find the peace in death that you could not find in life
 
More controversy ...

IT'S JUST A BOOK:
How A 'Pro-Marijuana' Children's Story Found Its Way To Congress

By Jamie Pietras, Village Voice
February 28, 2005

Not even the foggiest-headed stoner would argue they want children to smoke pot. ( Especially if it means children digging into one's stash. ) The challenge is in dissuading kids from doing so without resorting to potentially counterproductive myths and hyperbole.

Enter Ricardo Cortes.

Last month, Cortes published his children's book, It's Just a Plant, 48 cannabis-laden pages that he hoped would be taken as a welcome dose of "reality-based education." The former high school D.A.R.E. officer and Brooklyn-based T-shirt and skateboard designer says the book is intended for "six-to 12-year-olds." It still encourages kids to say "No," but stops short of condemning responsible adult use.

The story begins when eight-year-old "Jackie" walks into her parents bedroom, a den of Peter Max-style, Day-Glo decorum, and catches her parents smoking a joint. It ends--after an odyssey involving a gentle pot farmer, progressive-thinking doctor, and a primer on marijuana prohibition history from an officer making a bust--with Jackie proclaiming she's going to grow up and vote, "so I can make all the laws fair."

Cortes began writing the book two years ago. Knowing he was taking entirely different approach from the usual scare tactics found in drug education, he was certain major publishers wouldn't touch it. He shopped the book around to a few independent presses before deciding to publish an initial run of 3,000 copies himself. Orders have been processed primarily through the website of his company, Magic Propaganda Mill. As a single-title publisher, he decided not to approach the major retailer Barnes and Noble, which would have required him to shoulder distribution costs.

Cost turned out to be the least of his problems. Gentle librarians and distinguished legislators alike have snubbed It's Just a Plant. Small Canadian retail conglomerate McNally Robinson told Cortes his book wouldn't fit the store's demographic. The Brooklyn Public Library requested a copy but then declined to carry the book, and two libraries in other states have yet to respond.

The book can be found on some shelves. Indie sellers in San Francisco, Chicago, Austin, Baltimore, and New York are carryng the title, and one Borders in North Carolina has decided to stock it.

Reviews have been expectedly mixed. The most pointed came, unsurprisingly, from an elected official out to politicize the book. During a February 16 House Drug Policy Subcommittee hearing on "harm reduction" approaches to intravenous drug use, the committee's chairman, Indiana Representative Mark Souder, held a copy of the book in front of him and denounced it as a "pro-marijuana children's book." The representative then read excerpts into the Congressional Record. Cortes says he has already e-mailed a rebuttal to Souder's office, in the hopes will also be included in the Congressional Record. Souder's office hadn't yet seen it when contacted by the Voice.

Why would Souder go out of his way to publicize a self-published title of relatively little influence during a hearing unrelated to marijuana or educational policy? Two words: George Soros. The Hungarian-born investor is the chief financier of the drug reform movement and its most prominent advocacy group, the Drug Policy Alliance. The alliance is a key player in the world of drug reform--the go-to place for activists, journalists, and politicians interested in passing medical marijuana measures, decriminalizing marijuana, or starting needle exchange or methadone-maintenance programs. The DPA is the ideological thorn in the side of Souder and the Office of National Drug Control Policy, the agency on behalf of which Souder introduces drug-related legislation to Congress.

Souder repeatedly attacked Soros and the DPA for its support of Cortes's book, which the DPA currently sells in the "drug education" section of its online library. DPA Executive Director Ethan Nadelmann provided Cortes with a promotional blurb, while Marsha Rosenbaum, the director of the DPA's San Francisco office, wrote the book's epilogue.

Rosenbaum told the Voice she knew her epilogue was "somewhat of a risky proposition" but she never anticipated the extent of the negative backlash. "It confirms all of my worst fears that the government, in the human form of Souder, would hold up this book and claim with a straight face that it advocates marijuana use for kids." Souder, who is currently out of the country, couldn't be reached for comment.

The debate over American marijuana-control policy has always been framed around the minds of the young. From the campy anti-pot educational films of the 1950s to the in-school visits from police officers affiliated with the 22-year-old D.A.R.E. program, federal officials have consistently funded or endorsed persuasive approaches to education that critics say put a premium on scare tactics at the expense of scientific objectivity. In the 1930s and 1940s, pot was said to lead to blood-splattering violence and insanity, a claim perpetuated, in part, by the Federal Bureau of Narcotics, the Treasury Department agency that was the forerunner to today's Drug Enforcement Administration. This gave way to the slightly less sensational assertion that marijuana leads to the use of harder drugs like cocaine or heroin, a charge still in vogue among marijuana prohibitionists today, despite compelling evidence to the contrary ( the federally funded 1999 report by the Institute of Medicine found no causative connection between the use of marijuana and the use of harder drugs ).

But can a six-year-old differentiate how something could be against the law yet morally justifiable? "I don't think there's a magic age where it becomes OK to start talking about these things," Cortes says. "I think it's very similar to sex. A five-year-old is ready to talk about sex in some way. You don't need to break down the protein content of sperm to a five-year-old." ( He and Rosenbaum are careful to say that they don't intend for kids to read the book on their own, but with an adult. )

Just a week after Souder's performance, the Partnership for a Drug-Free America announced the results of a new survey on parental attitudes. Most parents valued talking to their kids about drugs, the survey said, yet only one in three teens claimed to have learned a lot about drug risks at home. In fact, the number of parents who never talked to their kids about drugs doubled from 6 percent in 1998 to 12 percent in 2004. It's an ironic dynamic, since parents today are more likely to have used drugs than parents in previous generations.

As for Cortes, he may find the biggest market for his book isn't his intended audience. Cortes has already agreed to ship about half of his original run of books to Urban Outfitters, a national retail chain where consumers are more likely to see the book as ironic satire. That's cool, Cortes says. The point the book makes-pointing out the absurdity of marijuana laws-is one that is equally relevant to grown-ups. "Sometimes you have to talk to adults like they are children."

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GrOwThSpUrT said:
I kind of have to agree with Norules here: you`re all attacking him because of his beliefs that marijuana is not good. But Norules, you were actually saying that marijuana deadens people etc. etc. And while that may be true for you(and for me, although I still use, but less frequently now), it doesn`t mean that it`s true for everyone.

And I really do have to agree that marijuana can be quite addictive, almost all the people I know abuse it(use daily, if anyone would drink that much they`d be called an alcoholic, why not call it an addiction when it`s pot?)

Maybe I`m not making much sense, but I`ve been drinking(not smoking though, but might in a few hours) because a friend of mine has just committed suicide. Rest in peace Miguel, I hope you`ll find the peace in death that you could not find in life

Thanks for your support gRoWtHsPuRt, I appreciate it, and yes I feel you made sense- more so then myself. I am so sorry to hear about your friend, may he rest in peace. Sadly some people just don't seem to be designed for life on this planet. As you say, hopefully he will find peace in the Other life. Look after yourself, friend. Peace out....
 
Norules said:
I always screamed that at mum when I was a child . . .


and im sure your children will scream it at you... and not to long after that will do what you TOLD them not to.

[edit: unacceptable verbal abuse; next time it's a warning]
 
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Listen my friend lets quit this pettiness okay? You've been edited by the mods for verbal abuse- i think you may have the wrong idea about what this site is for. Lets just ignore each other . . . or agree to disagree? Okay? And peace, I'm sorry if I irritated you, I'm in the process of quitting weed and my temper seems shorter then normal, no excuse really but I'm sure you could relate. Have a good day, Jayville!
 
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Yeah that was just too funny. You would have to be high to wear this on a bike ride.


I think the book is a fabulous idea. I have been trying to counteract the schools vehement anti drug attitude on my older boy since he has begun to get it. When he came home with the DARE stuff, and was talking about drugs, I immediately said "yes, drugs are dangerous, look how your great grandfather has died from cancer" "how grandpa drinks so much it affects him horribly" etc...trying to point out that drugs aren't just the illegal ones. But then point out how Mommy and Daddy can drink and do other things without going overboard enough to let it hurt us physically or mentally. We speak kinda openly about drugs in front of our kids, and don't think we will need that "let's sit down to talk" routine. Fact of the matter is I would MUCH rather my son smoke weed than even drink socially. It is much healthier, and unless he does it to an extreme, and lets it take over his life, like the typical "stoner" we all know, there aren't any risks. The demonization of marijuana is just insane, IMO.

And no, I don't smoke.
 
Thanks for the picture DarthMon, very amusing. Why does all "drug" related shit always involve colorful clothing, symbols, whatnot . . . . its such a cliche. I don't know a single smoker who dresses like that- come to think of it, I don't know a single smoker who rides a bike anyway.
Really, I think that picture say it all- maybe the books a good idea or maybe not, I'm undecided, but that picture is too funny to even think about taking it seriously.:)
 
Fucking potheads think they have a real problem, try an opiate addiction, try a benzo addiction, try a methadone addiction. Marijuana isn't addictive, though neither is jerking off and I can't quit that, but I don't feel like putting a bullet in my head if I can't get my nut off. I've seen many people goto jail for heroin, not 1 for marijuana. About this book though, marijuana shouldn't be an issue for anyone under the age of 10. People shouldn't use any drug in front of their kids when their that younge cause how impressionible they are at that age imo, they shouldn't need to know about alcohol, nor tobacco. They should learn about that type of stuff when they can somewhat comprehend it instead of spoonfeeding them opinions (same thing with dare) and let them make an opinion. The best part about being a little kid is not having to worry about stressful shit like this stupid fucking drug war, or all the fucked up shit going on in the world. Unfortunatly a lot of the grammer school teachers like to etch an impression on their students with their fucked up views and end up doing more harm then good. Just my opinion, but if you changed what the book was about to a book about heroin I bet everyone's opinion would change based on bias, not actual facts. Just my opinion though, I know DARE was the reason I wanted to try LSD and mushrooms.
 
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